North Melbourne Priority Pick 2021

[bzparkes]

North Melbourne has used more players than West Coast this year.

If West Coast is losing games because the list doesn't have enough AFL quality players, then perhaps, to use your terminology, that is by design.

Again, I don't recall North having an injury list, where the only 2 players not in the seniors were CAT B rookies.

Basic enough for you to understand now?

 

[big_e]

Again, I don't recall North having an injury list, where the only 2 players not in the seniors were CAT B rookies.

Basic enough for you to understand now?

List managers do the job they are asked to do.

So if they sign up injury-prone players (hello, Nic!) and then the bottom end of West Coast's list is filled up with players that even the coach said weren't ready, well, that was an entirely predictable outcome.

 

[bzparkes]

List managers do the job they are asked to do.

So if they sign up injury-prone players (hello, Nic!) and then the bottom end of West Coast's list is filled up with players that even the coach said weren't ready, well, that was an entirely predictable outcome.

Except we had a nearly non-existant injury list until the Freo game and it all went downhill from there.

 

[apollo_creed]

Is this West Coast fan still in here crying?

My goodness I’ve never seen anyone this upset about potentially missing out on the number one pick. Get over it and comfort yourself over the fact it’s still possible you’ll get your dream and these tantrums will have been for nothing.

 

[bzparkes]

Is this West Coast fan still in here crying?

My goodness I’ve never seen anyone this upset about potentially missing out on the number one pick. Get over it and comfort yourself over the fact it’s still possible you’ll get your dream and these tantrums will have been for nothing.

I think you're not understanding something here(or are trying to farm likes from North supporters).

We're merely pointing out that cultivating a losing culture will have far more of a negative effect on a club's culture than the positive one of a couple of extra draft picks ever will.

If they can't turn it around as soon as next year, the rot will set in further as senior players look to leave for greener pastures.

If they do have a massive jump up the ladder next year, again it proves that they didn't need assistance to begin with and their ladder position this year was by design and nothing else.

Lastly, now they have the #1 pick, it's been touted as worth up up to 3x first rounders. Again, North don't need assistance when they can simply auction the pick off and use this draft to set themselves up for the next decade.

Instead, they'd rather send the message to their playing group that they suck and need to be replaced by better players.

That's amazing for morale...

 

[hotchilli]

There is no point in engaging with a constantly growing gish gallop. Every time you pull one down another one just grows up. There was meaningful bad luck at NM, but there was also no effort to manage it.

As an example, the worst thing to happen to NM during the period we are discussing was the loss of cunnginton. But NM never attempted to deal with the situation by bringing in any of the players who were easily available who could have solved the problem (like say Crouch). Instead they took advantage of their genuine misfortune to further their tanking agenda.

In contrast, when my club really lacked outside speed in the midfield (which your club does too) we actively went out to rectify the problem. We engineered wins (as best as we could considering the last time we had a top 5 pick it was when Johnny Howard was PM)

But I feel like we did attempt to make inroads on the Cunnington situation by picking up Greenwood.

 

[Caligo]

But I feel like we did attempt to make inroads on the Cunnington situation by picking up Greenwood.

Not close to enough, but certainly a good point. I had forgotten about greenwood but he is exactly the sort of player I meant.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

I think you're not understanding something here(or are trying to farm likes from North supporters).

We're merely pointing out that cultivating a losing culture will have far more of a negative effect on a club's culture than the positive one of a couple of extra draft picks ever will.

If they can't turn it around as soon as next year, the rot will set in further as senior players look to leave for greener pastures.

If they do have a massive jump up the ladder next year, again it proves that they didn't need assistance to begin with and their ladder position this year was by design and nothing else.

Lastly, now they have the #1 pick, it's been touted as worth up up to 3x first rounders. Again, North don't need assistance when they can simply auction the pick off and use this draft to set themselves up for the next decade.

Instead, they'd rather send the message to their playing group that they suck and need to be replaced by better players.

That's amazing for morale...

Even worse for small clubs, which is one of many reasons why I don't believe North are tanking. We simply are genuinely this shit. And on the rare occasion that a game is still tightish toward the end, players have reached a point where they subconsciously expect they will be run over. And, at points this year, the injury list was as long as West Coast's. Not for as much of the year, not including so many first team players, but around the middle of the year also had around 14-15 players unavailable for a few weeks.

And, I agree that winning is the best remedy for many things. Circumstance, and some poor decisions, have led to a situation where no matter what happens from here we are in for Carlton-like levels of 10-15 years of pure hell.
Where I disagree is this idea that North have not attempted to improve.

As for next year, it is more than likely North go zero wins without much improvement in 2025. And then a player exodus of the likes rarely seen before is very probable.

All that said, I don't believe priority picks should exist. I hope the league take advantage of the fact its a club they don't give a toss about in trouble this time around and announce priority picks are gone forever. (Ideally, there would not be a draft but that's too much to hope for)

 

[Caligo]

All that said, I don't believe priority picks should exist. I hope the league take advantage of the fact its a club they don't give a toss about in trouble this time around and announce priority picks are gone forever. (Ideally, there would not be a draft but that's too much to hope for)

I for one don't want PP gone forever. I want them to remain for situations like GC having all their best talent raided by southern clubs, or Brisbane having all 1st and 2nd round players under 21 being raided.

If a situation like that happens to North (say LDU, Larkey, Sheezel and Wardlaw all leave within 24months) then I would want to have a mechanism (PP) to help deal with that fallout.

 

[blackshadow]

Lordy me there’s some major shit plaiting going on in this thread. I can’t work out whether it’s the hawthorn bloke or the eagles bloke who’s doing more plaiting.

 

[Caligo]

Lordy me there’s some major s**t plaiting going on in this thread. I can’t work out whether it’s the hawthorn bloke or the eagles bloke who’s doing more plaiting.

What is plaiting? Is it something to do with hair?

 

[apollo_creed]

I think you're not understanding something here(or are trying to farm likes from North supporters).

We're merely pointing out that cultivating a losing culture will have far more of a negative effect on a club's culture than the positive one of a couple of extra draft picks ever will.

If they can't turn it around as soon as next year, the rot will set in further as senior players look to leave for greener pastures.

If they do have a massive jump up the ladder next year, again it proves that they didn't need assistance to begin with and their ladder position this year was by design and nothing else.

Lastly, now they have the #1 pick, it's been touted as worth up up to 3x first rounders. Again, North don't need assistance when they can simply auction the pick off and use this draft to set themselves up for the next decade.

Instead, they'd rather send the message to their playing group that they suck and need to be replaced by better players.

That's amazing for morale...

Nope. Weren’t you the one in love with Reid and now West Coast are no longer in the position to get him and you’ve spent the week with a tin foil hat on?

 

[apollo_creed]

I for one don't want PP gone forever. I want them to remain for situations like GC having all their best talent raided by southern clubs, or Brisbane having all 1st and 2nd round players under 21 being raided.

If a situation like that happens to North (say LDU, Larkey, Sheezel and Wardlaw all leave within 24months) then I would want to have a mechanism (PP) to help deal with that fallout.

‘All leave with 24 months’… nothing like the quality of those players have left the GC and Brisbane over a 24 month period.
So basically you’re setting unrealistic parameters.

If it was North losing players your argument would definitely be ‘their fault/culture is responsible for not keeping them’

But yeah only if North lose 40 players in the space of 3 days should they receive any assistance.

Great argument dude.

 

[Caligo]

‘All leave with 24 months’… nothing like the quality of those players have left the GC and Brisbane over a 24 month period.
So basically you’re setting unrealistic parameters.

If it was North losing players your argument would definitely be ‘their fault/culture is responsible for not keeping them’

But yeah only if North lose 40 players in the space of 3 days should they receive any assistance.

Great argument dude.

The players I listed aren't even as good as Lynch, May, Prestia and JOM, let alone the dozen others taken.

And they aren't all under 21 like in the Brisbane example.

But if you think my example was too much, feel free to modify it to suit wherever you think the bar should be. My point was just losing games isn't enough any more.

 

[big_e]

The players I listed aren't even as good as Lynch, May, Prestia and JOM, let alone the dozen others taken.

And they aren't all under 21 like in the Brisbane example.

But if you think my example was too much, feel free to modify it to suit wherever you think the bar should be. My point was just losing games isn't enough any more.

They were already compensated for those departures, though. And surely that could be games, too, by low-balling on contracts or pushing people out.

Your suggestion makes no logical sense.

 

[Caligo]

They were already compensated for those departures, though. And surely that could be games, too, by low-balling on contracts or pushing people out.

Your suggestion makes no logical sense.

If you lose all all your best talent you will be compensated too. It will still cause a huge hole in your list. In particular if you lost larkey no real compensation could make up for it (how the heck do you replace him?)

We would have the same issue with Lewis.

But imagine it was your best key forward, best key back, best midfielder, recent number 1 pick elite mid and a string of others. But also remember that these are all much better players than any of their NM equivalents.

I am amazed you don't see the logic. Hopefully you never have to experience it like GC or Brisbane did.

 

[ferball]

You should have known what you were getting with Roos . Absolute elite snake oil salesman . Talked him into a job he didnt really want and he fleeced you which was no suprise.
It was a Malcolm Blight to St Kilda appointment

And you knew full well what Clarko had ahead of him when you appointed him . It wasn't a huge secret. Your club wanted him ( fair enough ) but knew of the risk attached to the appointment.

The rest is a mix of bad luck , poor timing , bad management , appointments and poor development .

Are you tripping. That dropped a month after we signed him to a five year deal.

 

[Caligo]

Are you tripping. That dropped a month after we signed him to a five year deal.

I wonder if it was known in footy circles? Obviously there was Rioli/Clarkson stuff that was well known, but if it went more than that. (I genuinely have no idea - but I am not well connected)

 

[bzparkes]

Nope. Weren’t you the one in love with Reid and now West Coast are no longer in the position to get him and you’ve spent the week with a tin foil hat on?

Nope. Still in love with Reid and been pointing out for probably 2 months that North are tanking.

I'm consistent.

 

[candyapple]

Harley Reid is .01% Irish

he gets to North under the next gen Academy, congrats North

 

[big_e]

If you lose all all your best talent you will be compensated too. It will still cause a huge hole in your list. In particular if you lost larkey no real compensation could make up for it (how the heck do you replace him?)

We would have the same issue with Lewis.

But imagine it was your best key forward, best key back, best midfielder, recent number 1 pick elite mid and a string of others. But also remember that these are all much better players than any of their NM equivalents.

I am amazed you don't see the logic. Hopefully you never have to experience it like GC or Brisbane did.

Best key forward: Ben Brown - 4x leading goalkicker

Best key back: Robbie Tarrant - B & F winner

Best midfielder: Shaun Higgins - All Australian, 2 x B & F winner

Recent number 1 pick elite mid: Jason Horne-Francis

All within 24 months.

We'll have our priority pick now, thanks.

 

[Caligo]

Best key forward: Ben Brown - 4x leading goalkicker

Best key back: Robbie Tarrant - B & F winner

Best midfielder: Shaun Higgins - All Australian, 2 x B & F winner

Recent number 1 pick elite mid: Jason Horne-Francis

All within 24 months.

We'll have our priority pick now, thanks.

I don't know if you are trolling or not, but you kicked two of them out the door and the other one was well over 30. And none of them held a candle to may, lynch or prestia at the time they left (Higgins and tarrant were seriously good long ago).

You are absolutely right about JHF though. Lose 4 more of those and we are talking.

 

[1990crow]

Daniher was utter bullshit and I hope they never allow anything like that again.

Bowes, whilst unrelated to this topic, was also bullshit of a different kind. But that takes us into just a whole new conversation.

I am not sure what salary Frawley was on, but he was an AA and one of the best KPP in the league at the time. I think people underrate him because he played for a tanking team, but he was light years better than McKay (who hilariously also plays for a tanking team)

If your argument is the AFL is dodgy as heck you will get no argument from me. I just don't accept that because they have been dodgy in the past they need to add new forms of dodginess with Dunstan style chicanery. I also don't accept that the dodginess is only headed in one direction (to support vics).

I'd prefer if they were consistently dodgy so my club could one day win a flag.
They weren't with Brad Crouch and if we are accepting the afl is dodgy to struggling teams (mostly victorian), then they should have allowed it.

 

[Caligo]

I'd prefer if they were consistently dodgy so my club could one day win a flag.
They weren't with Brad Crouch and if we are accepting the afl is dodgy to struggling teams (mostly victorian), then they should have allowed it.

I would like less dodginess not more please.

 

[1990crow]

I would like less dodginess not more please.

Well if we are being consistent with not being dodgy, McKay should not be getting North a tier one free agency compo pick.

And Sanders, even if he gets added to Norths NGA, rules before the season were no nga can be matched before pick 40.
You can't just magically change the rules at the end of the year because one team sucks.