Nrl 3.8 Million & Afl 3.3 Million

[arakaan]

Carlton defeated Melbourne at the MCG in front of 7,000 fans under lights. The date: 13th August 1879. That's right - 1879, under lights.

geez How the hell did they manage that back then. I'm guessing the crowd at one end wouldn't have a great view of the other end.

 

[diesel and dust]

Official RL excuses and whinges

1 .SL stuffed us up completely and we haven't recovered .

2 .We play to our "heartlands"

3 . It's a television game

4 .The game is popular but the team isn't

5 .It's the Sydney transport system

6. It's the weather

7. It's the lack of media .

8. It's the unfair media .

8a. Our supporters can't read the media (nice pictures though)

9. It's the lack of developement by the NRL .

10. It's the lack of developement by the ARL .

11. That popular crowd drawing team is down .

12. The mergers put people off .

13. Dropping South Sydney put people off .

14. When they gonna build big stadiums at (below) .... the crowds will be enormous
a. Lang Park .
b. SFS
c . Melbourne Olympic Park
d . Perth MES
e. North alice springs two up park

15. The government won't finance new stadiums .

16 . Our stadiums are too big and look empty deterring more people .

17. When they gonna have double headers , triple headers ...
we can then claim the one crowd for both games !

18 . The new pokie tax is gonna kill off the leagues clubs .

19 . We don't have the AFL's draft .(confirmed by runin)

20. We don't have AFL's management .

21. We don't have AFL's clout .

22. We don't have a decent game ,(but that's the least of our problems)

23. Sheduled against us was an another big game of .....
RU , AFL, AL , NBL , ANL , WNBL.......

24 . There was a lot of sport on TV. ........
golf , tennis , lawn bowls , motorsports , bowling , darts , WWWWWE ................

25 .There was some good shows on TV .
a. Bloke's World returns
b. Iron Chef
c. Bert's big brother idol lost on celebrity dancing singing skating survivor

26. The report is not valid because it only shows interest not real support like ratings where the person gets off his butt and ............ sorry where the person changes the channel on the remote .

27 . RU is poaching all our players that we have developed and nurtured .

28 . The recent RU WC has diverted attention from RL .

29 . Different mix of teams in the Finals this year... (courtesy of LD)

30 . NRL scheduling or lack of scheduling of some games, Brisbane v Canterbury @ Lang Park(LD)
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31. The lack of support it has given new sides like the storm , Reds ,warriors and putting a side on the central coast.

32 . Its lack of power over Channel 9 to get better air time to the NRL in all states

33 . Its image problem , drinking culture , sex scandals

Feel free to add runin and queensslander

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one of my favourites was someone saying that the canberra raiders get low home crowds because they lost most of their away games, so by the time they get back home, crowds don't go because they'd just had a loss

 

[arakaan]

Draft time provides great interest in sports that have one. You just have to visit the draft forum here to see that, or visit an NFL draft forum. I wouldn't be glorifying the fact your sport revels in having an uneven competition.

Again if you are going to make a comment at least don't make a fool out of yourself.

If you think the NRL is an uneven comp may I suggest you look at the last time they had back to back premiers and the last 5 or so league ladders.

2 of the last 3 years the team who ran last had 8 wins from 24 games.

Perhaps the draft is a waste of time if that's its purpose.

 

[diesel and dust]

Apart from your captain full forward

 

[ringleader]

Not the same exact system, the AFL customised a "similar" system used breifly by NRL.

How is it different?

And it was the ARL, not NRL.

 

[Refried Noodle]

geez How the hell did they manage that back then. I'm guessing the crowd at one end wouldn't have a great view of the other end.

Apparently there were a number of carbon arc searchlights mounted on towers. Many of them located around the ground, but the reference I have says that the exact number and locations of the light towers is unknown. It also speculates that possibly only the centre of the pitch was illuminated.
They apparently used a pig skin ball painted white until it burst and replaced it with a regular brown ball, which didn't help the visibility.

It's typical of Melbourne though that the first electricity company formed (also in the same year) decided to instead of illuminate streets and buildings, they'd light up a sporting event.

 

[RandB]

How is it different?

And it was the ARL, not NRL.

From my other post:

"however there was no crossover in 1995, and in 1996 teams crossed over in Week 2, rather than Week 3" so it is technical but different and the AFL have used this system ever since. In either case the AFL devised it and it ended up being similar.

yes ARL not NRL - not that it really matters.

 

[ChrisFooty]

Have the regional figures been released yet? If they have, can someone post a link please.

 

[Happy Daze]

Again if you are going to make a comment at least don't make a fool out of yourself.

If you think the NRL is an uneven comp may I suggest you look at the last time they had back to back premiers and the last 5 or so league ladders.

2 of the last 3 years the team who ran last had 8 wins from 24 games.

Perhaps the draft is a waste of time if that's its purpose.

The NRL has no claim on being an 'even' competition...clubs like the Broncos are there or thereabouts every year. In the AFL that doesn't happen. Teams have a 'window' where they can win and after that normally fall into decline. Also, there are teams who finish out of the 8 who have a great shot at winning it the next year. The two grand finalists this year didn't even finish in the top 8 last year.

On that basis, the draft isn't a waste of time at all; it is a case where socialism does actually even things out for everyone.

The fact that the one true historical powerhouse of your league, South Sydney, haven't won a title since the early 1970's, and haven't looked like it in recent decades, is a disgrace to your sport. As is the fact they were kicked out of the competition for several years. Even when Collingwood were getting the collywobbles year in and year out, at least they were there or thereabouts and in the mix in terms of finals action.

 

[RandB]

well if your going to claim that your right at least be right.

So I guess the made for TV midweek Amco Cup played from 1974 on Wednesday's nights at Lang Park, Leichhardt Oval, Parramatta(Cumberland) Stadium and various floodlit Country grounds was after 1977.

From what I can tell the Amco cup you refer to contained non proffessional clubs and they met midweek for the sake of tv. Was this an official ARL/NRL (whaterver it was back then) competition?

The Fitzroy v North game in '77 was an official VFL/AFL preseason game at a stadium with proper stadium lights i.e. part of VFL official competition.

Because we are comparing leagues. Otherwise then I'll just go with Refried Noodle who pointed out the Melbourne v Carlton game in 1879 and be done with it.

 

[Happy Daze]

Wrong. The top 8 the AFL use now was used by the ARL in 95 and 96.

Wrong, as another poster has pointed out. Virtually all of the innovations in Australian football has come from Australian Rules and League has then 'borrowed' these. Which just stands to reason, given the lack of cranial creativity your sport has displayed over the years. I am continually surprised listening to interviews of league players where they actually string two words together in successive fashion in a semi-coherent manner, though it has to be said that the majority of them make grunting noises that wouldn't be out of place in the baboon exhibit at the zoo. Perhaps that is doing disservice to baboons however.

 

[Crosby87]

Wait, the Rugby final was on? Who won?

 

[Ronin]

The Draft System: The NRL doesn't have a draft. Didn't have the capacity to implement one and you are in desperate need of one. But low and behold if they did they would have copied AFL:

Quote ABC News 2003: "But Mr Gallop says although the current anti-tampering deadline for clubs approaching uncontracted players is difficult to police, most clubs accept the system. He says if a draft was adopted, it would be a modified version of the AFL's model with the NRL having a greater reliance on the individual clubs to develop players."

This is why you are still behind the times:
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21831836-5006066,00.html

The Salary Cap: So the NFL copied that from the AFL too. Sure did. AFL certainly are pioneers!

State of Origin: took it to a level that the AFL never could, and never will. No no, this is where you boys miss the point. I am not saying that SOO for League is not successfull, but it is a spectacle because the regular 26 week home and away season is boring as all f**k. Either way you boys copied it.

Playing on Public Holidays: When did your backward State start playing on Sundays? You know very well I was referring to National Public Holidays like Anzac Day blockbusters. PS the NT is not a state.

Playing at Night: Show me the proof In 1977 Fitzroy played North Melbourne in the first night match at Waverly. Floodlights not even installed in SCG until 1978. You took your time getting Friday Night Footy too.

Top 8: The AFL copied the NRL system. Wrong again! Whilst you boys claimed the MacIntyre top 8 system at least the AFL were smart enough to create their own ultimate system that had "similarities" to the one you used to have.
"The current AFL finals system was devised by the Australian Football League in 2000 as its end-of-season championship playoff tournament. It is a revision of the McIntyre Final Eight System, used by the AFL from 1994 to 1999, designed to address several perceived issues with that system. A similar system was previously used by the Australian Rugby League in the 1995 and 1996 seasons, however there was no crossover in 1995, and in 1996 teams crossed over in Week 2, rather than Week 3.

The Footy Show: I didn't know that the AFL owned Ch9. lol Another desperate comment. No the AFL does not own chanel 9 but it is an example of the NRL or rugby league fraternity ripping off another AFL/aussie rules concept.

The Tribunal: The AFL copied the NRL system. The AFL tribunal system is constantly evolving. Who was first to have a tribunal?

The Father Son Rule: The NRL doesn't have a draft, so why does it need this rule? See above.

Dally M: a Newslimited venture in 1980 - Brownlow medal has existed since the 1920s hahaha. Don't bother mentioning the Rothmans Medal which was a Cigarette company advertising campaign in the 60's.

Here is a tip: get off the drugs, and you may get a job at one of the deadend factories that are plentiful out your way. Mate even if I was on drugs I could still see through the bs that you type! You're gone!

You said that the NRL copied the AFL on every one of those points.

The NRL doesn't have a Draft or Father Son rule, so how did they copy the AFL?

You have drawn long bows with the rest, as there have been League panel shows in the 70's, League games under lights way before any in the AFL, National Holidays (big phark).

The AFL is using the NRL McIntyre system (even if they tweaked it), copied the Tribunal this year, and will also have to adopt the NRL drugs policy, because everyone knows that you need it.

By the way, SOO works because no one wants to watch the Allies , or are you telling me that they are making a comeback in 2008?

 

[Happy Daze]

Scientists have found this animal communicates better than Willie Mason:

 

[arakaan]

From what I can tell the Amco cup you refer to contained non proffessional clubs and they met midweek for the sake of tv. Was this an official ARL/NRL (whaterver it was back then) competition?

The Fitzroy v North game in '77 was an official VFL/AFL preseason game at a stadium with proper stadium lights i.e. part of VFL official competition.

Because we are comparing leagues. Otherwise then I'll just go with Refried Noodle who pointed out the Melbourne v Carlton game in 1879 and be done with it.

incorrect.

The Amco Cup was the official knockout cup which contained all the teams of the NSWRL(the VFL equivalent of the time) plus composite teams from country regions and the best QLD teams.

It was the official CUP of the ARL(basically it was what the NAB cup is for the AFL now) except it was held midweek during the season proper of hte NSWRL comp.

sorry if that pisses you off it is just the truth.

 

[RandB]

incorrect.

The Amco Cup was the official knockout cup which contained all the teams of the NSWRL(the VFL equivalent of the time) plus composite teams from country regions and the best QLD teams.

It was the official CUP of the ARL(basically it was what the NAB cup is for the AFL now) except it was held midweek during the season proper of hte NSWRL comp.

sorry if that pisses you off it is just the truth.

Not pissed off at all... actually I'm trying to figure out how you can be incorrect when asking a question but anyway.

I think from my list I did rather well and even though you say it I still think it sounds a bit dodgy but I'll go with it. Carlton v Melbourne is looking pretty good now

 

[Dan26]

Official RL excuses and whinges


25 .There was some other good shows on TV

Hehe there is this absolute tool over on the league unlimited site who is insistent that the NRL GF is at a disadvantage compared to the AFL GF because it is played in prime time where there is more TV competition!

I am dead serious, that is is excuse!!!! LOL! All they do is come up with excuses.

I can just imagine Eddie McGuire campaigning to have Who wants to be a Millionaire moved to 1pm saturday afternoon because there is no competition and they can win the ratings, lol.

Prime time is when people watch TV, and the NRL figures have been PROVEN to have increased since the move to a night Grand Final in 2001. When you combine the fact that the Melbourne Storm are playing, the ratings should be huge.

If anything, the ratings are a bit disappointing. Prime Time sunday night 7pm, melb vs Syd.

if we can compare apples with apples for a minute, imagine if the AFL GF was Sydney Swans vs Geelong played on Sunday night Prime time, tonight October 7th at 7pm.

What would the ratings be? Probably 4 million in the capitals alone, bit like the Union World Cup in 2003 which got 4 mill. The NRL had the Storm involved and still could only get 2.3 million and 1.5 regionals (which includes double counting of the Gold Coast and Gosford to artificially lift the NRL total)

"Like vs like" the AFL always outrates the NRL.

The last NRL day GF in 2000 totalled only 1.75 million in the capitals (854K in Syd and 580K in Bris) and only in the 200,000's in Melbourne. Brisbane vs melbourne at night in 2006 got 780K in Bris, 200,000 MORE just in brisbane at night than what they got in the day in 2000 when the broncos were involved. Since moving to prime time, the ratings in melbourne (without the Storm) have been in the 400-500,000 range, about double what they were in 2000 without the Storm.

Prime time with the Storm is the NRL's ratings dream and it stll ended up being about 1.7 million less in the capitals than an AFL GF featuring Geelong and the swans would have rated at 7pm on a Sunday night.

The NRL folk LOVE their apples vs oranges comparisons.

 

[arakaan]

yeah I've said it before these threads are a YAWN.

I love both and nobody's going to stop me enjoying both.

don't know why either side bothers. It's all hot air that changes nothing.

I'm just correcting things which are factually wrong.

 

[magic19]

Hehe there is this absolute tool over on the league unlimited site who is insistent that the NRL GF s at a disadvantage compared to the AFL GF because it is played in prime time where there is more TV competition!

I am dead serious, that is is excuse. All they do is come up with excuses.

I can just imagine Eddie McGuire campaigning to have Who wants to be a Millionaire moved to 1pm saturday aternoon because there is no competition and they can win the ratings, lol.

Prime time is when people watch TV, and the NRL figures have been PROVEN to have increased since the move to a night Grand Final in 2001. When you combine the fact that the Melbourne Storm are playing, the ratings should be huge.

If anything, the ratings are a bit disappointing. Prime Time sunday night 7pm, melb vs Syd.

if we can compare apples with apples for a minute, imagine if the AFL GF was Sydney Swans vs Geelong played on Sunday night Prime time, tonight October 7th at 7pm.

What would the ratings be? Probably 4 million in the capitals alone, bit like the Union World Cup in 2003 which got 4 mill. The NRL had the Storm involved and still could only get 2.3 million and 1.5 regionals (which includes double counting of the Gold Coast and Gosford to artificially lift the NRL total)

"Like vs like" the AFL always outrates the NRL.

The last NRL day GF in 2000 totalled only 1.75 million in the capitals and only in the 200,000's in Melbourne. Since moving to prime time, the ratings in melbourne (without the Storm) have been in the 400-500,000 range, about double what they were in 2000 without the Storm.

Prime time with the Storm is the NRL's ratings dream and it stll ended up being about 1.7 million less in the capitals than an AFL GF featuring Geelong and the swans would have rated at 7pm on a Sunday night.

The NRL folk LOVE their apples vs oranges comparisons.

Thugby people can't tell the difference between apples and oranges, so don't be too harsh.

 

[RandB]

You said that the NRL copied the AFL on every one of those points.

The NRL doesn't have a Draft or Father Son rule, so how did they copy the AFL?

You have drawn long bows with the rest, as there have been League panel shows in the 70's, League games under lights way before any in the AFL, National Holidays (big phark).

The AFL is using the NRL McIntyre system (even if they tweaked it), copied the Tribunal this year, and will also have to adopt the NRL drugs policy, because everyone knows that you need it.

By the way, SOO works because no one wants to watch the Allies , or are you telling me that they are making a comeback in 2008?

The NRL doesn't have a Draft or Father Son rule, so how did they copy the AFL? I have already clarified that they considered it and it would have been based on the AFL draft.

You have drawn long bows with the rest, as there have been League panel shows in the 70's, League games under lights way before any in the AFL, National Holidays (big phark). As blatant as "The Footy Show"? I think not. Did you see the post about the Melbourne v Carlton game under lights? ANZAC DAY was an innovation and when you guys saw it become successfull you copied it.

The AFL is using the NRL McIntyre system (even if they tweaked it), copied the Tribunal this year, and will also have to adopt the NRL drugs policy, because everyone knows that you need it. For God's sake they had the MacIntyre system before NRL and then they changed it to their new customised system.
"It is currently the finals series system used by the National Rugby League (since 1999); its first use was by the Australian Football League in 1994."

By the way, SOO works because no one wants to watch the Allies , or are you telling me that they are making a comeback in 2008? I am originally from SA so who cares about the Allies. If there was an Allies team playing against NSW or QLD (from other states) in origin would you care? of course not. NSW v QLD and VIC v SA or WA.

I think from a first off post dealing with that other rugby tool I did pretty well. You have proved nothing at all.

 

[diesel and dust]

yeah I've said it before these threads are a YAWN.

I love both and nobody's going to stop me enjoying both.

don't know why either side bothers. It's all hot air that changes nothing.

I'm just correcting things which are factually wrong.

but you are an exception for the fact that you actually like aussie rules, even if you prefer league


i think people here fire up, because there are a quite a few posters here that HATE aussie rules and as a result are obvious trolls (with big footy being an aussie rules site) and as a result, when the trolls pop their heads up,people here like to give them a good arse kicking, as they regularly do....


i think some of it isn't attacking the SPORT of rugby league as such,but is a means to an end of pissing off the troll types who come into an aussie rules forum to slag it off, when there are plenty of league run forums around that you think they would be more interested in...

 

[arakaan]

The NRL has no claim on being an 'even' competition...clubs like the Broncos are there or thereabouts every year. In the AFL that doesn't happen. Teams have a 'window' where they can win and after that normally fall into decline. Also, there are teams who finish out of the 8 who have a great shot at winning it the next year. The two grand finalists this year didn't even finish in the top 8 last year.

On that basis, the draft isn't a waste of time at all; it is a case where socialism does actually even things out for everyone.

The fact that the one true historical powerhouse of your league, South Sydney, haven't won a title since the early 1970's, and haven't looked like it in recent decades, is a disgrace to your sport. As is the fact they were kicked out of the competition for several years. Even when Collingwood were getting the collywobbles year in and year out, at least they were there or thereabouts and in the mix in terms of finals action.

Do you really want to carry on.

Not surprising you only mentioned the Broncos as I''m sure you tried to find other examples of long term finalists but of course they are the exception. I won't mention West Coast or the swans as they regurlarly have missed the finals over the last 10 years haven't they.

hmm teams out of the 8 have a good shot the next year in the AFL. Nah your right never happens in the NRL does it. I better not mention two premiers in the last 5 years then(2003 or 2005) or that might embaress you. FYI they respectively came 12th and 9th the year before their titles.

I guess when Souths made the finals in 80,84,86,88 and then ran 1st in 1989 regular season H&A they really never did look a chance at the title either.
I mean it's not like poor management of the club for 10 years had any effeect on their financial position and therefore the clubs ability to perform on the field. After all that never happens in the AFL either does it.(Carlton *cough*)

As I said if you think the NRL is uneven and the AFL is even you are deluded. The eveness of the comps is more to do with the respective Salary Caps of each comp when enforced correctly than any draft ever will be.

 

[arakaan]

but you are an exception for the fact that you actually like aussie rules, even if you prefer league


i think people here fire up, because there are a quite a few posters here that HATE aussie rules and as a result are obvious trolls (with big footy being an aussie rules site) and as a result, when the trolls pop their heads up,people here like to give them a good arse kicking, as they regularly do....


i think some of it isn't attacking the SPORT of rugby league as such,but is a means to an end of pissing off the troll types who come into an aussie rules forum to slag it off, when there are plenty of league run forums around that you think they would be more interested in...

yeah I guess your right on that.

anyway why bother arguing bring on the Cricket.

 

[RandB]

yeah I've said it before these threads are a YAWN.

I love both and nobody's going to stop me enjoying both.

don't know why either side bothers. It's all hot air that changes nothing.

I'm just correcting things which are factually wrong.

I respect you are not being biased and are pointing out errors. Just for the record though I did say "playing at night" did I not?

1956 was the first year of the Australian Football League night premiership competition

1956South MelbourneCarlton13.16 (94) - 13.10 (88)Lake Oval32,450

I assume they must have used lights?

If NRL dudes want to come in here and fling **** that is up to them. Who started this whole thread anyway?

 

[Happy Daze]

Do you really want to carry on.

Not surprising you only mentioned the Broncos as I''m sure you tried to find other examples of long term finalists but of course they are the exception. I won't mention West Coast or the swans as they regurlarly have missed the finals over the last 10 years haven't they.

hmm teams out of the 8 have a good shot the next year in the AFL. Nah your right never happens in the NRL does it. I better not mention two premiers in the last 5 years then(2003 or 2005) or that might embaress you. FYI they respectively came 12th and 9th the year before their titles.

I guess when Souths made the finals in 80,84,86,88 and then ran 1st in 1989 regular season H&A they really never did look a chance at the title either.
I mean it's not like poor management of the club for 10 years had any effeect on their financial position and therefore the clubs ability to perform on the field. After all that never happens in the AFL either does it.(Carlton *cough*)

As I said if you think the NRL is uneven and the AFL is even you are deluded. The eveness of the comps is more to do with the respective Salary Caps of each comp when enforced correctly than any draft ever will be.

18 years since Souths had a shot at it? ****ing laughable.