Nrl 3.8 Million & Afl 3.3 Million

[arakaan]

18 years since Souths had a shot at it? ****ing laughable.

HD do you want me to bring up the runs of some AFL/VFL clubs as well.

isn't it funny you didn't address the other points.

as I said it's all a big YAWN. I actually feel sorry for people who hate others over sports. What a waste of time and energy no matter which side it comes from.

Just glad I can enjoy them all.

 

[Happy Daze]

As for the Broncos, who owns them again? Oh, yes, News Limited. Who has the controlling interest in Storm again? Oh, yes, News Limited.

No doubt the Cowboys will win a premiership in the next few years.

 

[Happy Daze]

HD do you want me to bring up the runs of some AFL/VFL clubs as well.

isn't it funny you didn't address the other points.

as I said it's all a big YAWN. I actually feel sorry for people who hate others over sports. What a waste of time and energy no matter which side it comes from.

Just glad I can enjoy them all.

As for addressing the other points...who can be bothered? I've already written an extensive post on here destroying some of the lies your fellow leagueies have spread on this thread, and don't you worry I could do it to yours as well. But what is the point? It would go over your head anyway.

 

[RandB]

HD do you want me to bring up the runs of some AFL/VFL clubs as well.

isn't it funny you didn't address the other points.

as I said it's all a big YAWN. I actually feel sorry for people who hate others over sports. What a waste of time and energy no matter which side it comes from.

Just glad I can enjoy them all.

It is a yawn for you because the NRL dudes in this thread are tools. You change the rules for your convenience. Go and find a thread started by an AFL barracker that knocks the NRL if you can and whinge in that one. Our replies have been justified and backed up.

 

[arakaan]

As for addressing the other points...who can be bothered? I've already written an extensive post on here destroying some of the lies your fellow leagueies have spread on this thread, and don't you worry I could do it to yours as well. But what is the point? It would go over your head anyway.

the classic example right here. Sad individual indeed. Must be frustrated by living in Bathurst. Most probably hates the V8's as well.

and you can't be bothered arguing the points as you have been shown up as ignorant by posting without looking at the facts first.

Still wonder what you all expect to happen just because someome says something about the sport.

Is it going to change the facts? Is it going to change what you want to believe?

I'm guessing the answer to both is no.

 

[Happy Daze]

the classic example right here. Sad individual indeed. Must be frustrated by living in Bathurst. Most probably hates the V8's as well.

Bathurst ain't bad and it's true I don't care for the V8's. However, some of the pit girls have been staying not 20 metres from where I am. Very nice.

 

[Dan26]

The NRL owes it's success to copying the VFL-AFL throughout history.

It is only from the competition amongst the two codes, that the NRL has been able to raise the status of their competition to compete with the might of the AFL

1. Friday Night Football was an innovation by the VFL in 1985, which the NSWRL copied.

2. The expansion to a national competiton. The AFL brought in the Bears and Eagles in 1987. The NSWRL brought in the Broncos the following year. The 1988 Broncos were the first team from outside NSW/ACT.

3. The various finals systems. the VFL introduced the McIntyre final-4 in 1930. The NSWRL copied it.

4. The NSWRL also copied the final-5.

5. They also brought in the final-8 after the AFL did it.

6. The concept of a "Grand Final" to determine the premiership was something the VFL did and the NSWRL copied it. The NSWRL used to use the old "finish top, win the premiership" system. They copied the use of a Grand Final.

7. State of origin was something Aussie Rules did first. Rugby League copied it.

8. The Footy Show started in 1994. The Rugby League version followed in 1995.

9. The salary Cap was copied from the AFL

10. The use of a "big" annual match on Anzac day was copied from the AFL.

Virtually the whle structure of the VFL-AFL has been copied by the NRL. The AFL does it first, and the NRL follows. Expansion teams, finals systems, State of origin, Salary Caps etc etc.

The NRL should send a big thankyou to the AFL for providing the competition which forced them to alter their competition.

The current strength of the NRL is almost entirely dependent on ideas and structures directly copied from the VFL-AFL. They owe the VFL-AFL.They owe them big time.

 

[Ronin]

Someone is going to take this post apart piece by piece.

Off the top of my head, ever heard of the Canberra Raiders and Illawarra Steelers that came into an expanded comp in 1982?

 

[RandB]

Someone is going to take this post apart piece by piece.

Off the top of my head, ever heard of the Canberra Raiders and Illawarra Steelers that came into an expanded comp in 1982?

Is there major significance in that?

 

[diesel and dust]

Interesting article by Phil Gould a few weeks ago in the SUN HERALD ....will be interesting to see how many ideas,if any,the NRL will copy in the future






A POOR SECOND IN GRAND FINAL BASH

Phil Gould | September 16, 2007



Those AFL types sure know how to throw a party down there in Melbourne. For many years I've heard about their week-long festivities surrounding grand final week. Well, I can tell you, I'm more than just a little jealous.
The AFL programs and promotes its grand final week as a special time of year to involve as many families, fans, sponsors and corporate partners. More importantly, it's there to lure new people to the sport through participation in an exciting and fun-filled week-long festival.
If you go to the AFL website, you can work your way through any number of links and documents. You can download your own copy of a sparkling 20-page document on everything that is happening during grand final week in Melbourne.
There is also a full list of corporate packages for game-day viewing at the MCG and pre-game and post-game functions at the ground, or in close proximity.
Don't go to the NRL website looking for such information - you will get depressed at the uninspiring and poor quality presentation - but that's another story.
AFL grand final week officially begins with the Brownlow Medal count on the Monday night. Why is our Dally M presentation held so early in the finals series? Why not in grand final week? Besides, the NRL should have its own independent player awards and a ceremony for such a prestigious recognition of player performances.
On Tuesday the Carbine Club, a group of business leaders with a common love for sport, host a luncheon to honor the Brownlow medallist. At this function a coin is tossed between the presidents of the grand final teams to decide which colour shorts the teams will wear in the big game and which dressing rooms they will use.
We have a Carbine Club lunch in Sydney during grand final week, but, other than a quick chat with the rival coaches, nothing significant ever happens.
On Thursday there's the official AFL golf day, when past greats, corporate partners and sponsors share the fun of a round of golf followed by a function. The NRL website points to a golf day on the Wednesday prior to the grand final. But there is little information provided.
There are so many functions happening in Melbourne during the build-up and all are fast becoming a part of the tradition. There's the exclusive Seriously AFL Party, which is a must on the social calendar for serious party-goers.
The Federation Square Live Site provides football activities throughout grand final week - which include player appearances, interviews, interactive activities, live entertainment and highlights on the big screen.

The AFL Auskick Super Clinic is held on the Wednesday and attracts over 1000 kids.
On the Thursday night, it is a tradition that fans watch their teams go through their final paces at training.
The day before the game, the competing clubs, the Brownlow medallist, the NAB AFL rising star and the umpires take part in the AFL grand final parade through the Melbourne CBD at lunchtime.
Where is our bloody street parade? We drag the poor players into that boring grand final breakfast at 6.30am on Thursday - a function that has become more of a production for pay TV rather than a fun event.
The official AFL grand final lunch at Crown Casino on the Friday involves ex-players and greats, and after the lunch the crowd spills out of the casino into bars and mini functions all over the city.
Bars and restaurants prepare and decorate their venues especially for the celebrations in a week-long party atmosphere. The public goes crazy for this week.
This is the real feature of the AFL grand final week: the community involvement.
I don't get the same feeling up here in Sydney. The build-up on game day begins with the renowned Kangaroos grand final breakfast. The pre-match entertainment at the MCG has been a significant feature since 1977 and includes a huge line-up of entertainers and AFL Hall of Fame members in a cavalcade.
In 1998, one of the greatest sporting stars of the century, former world champion heavyweight boxer Muhammad Ali, appeared in the cavalcade. It was a highlight for the crowd. Another big difference between here and Melbourne is that when the game is over, the celebrations go on into the night and there are so many parties to attend.
The Punt Road after-match concert is a free public event and features headline acts and the presentation of the premiership team. Yes, the premiership-winning team.
The September Club and the New AFL Centre Square Club are large groups of major sponsors who provide huge marquees on game day right next to MCG. They hold thousands of guests and include a breakfast function and parties that rock on all night.
Where are our week-long parties? Where are our pre- or post-game parties?
From what I can see, there's nothing too elaborate planned at the Homebush precinct for pre-match entertainment and I see no mention of after-match entertainment or parties for the 80,000 in attendance to continue celebrating the big day.
The NRL will point to the fact that Telstra Stadium is out of the way and too inconvenient for people to stay and party after the game. Of course, our grand final is played at night, which also makes it a late start for potential revellers. But surely these issues should be seen as challenges rather than insurmountable problems.
Perhaps you could let me know if there is anything else going on in Sydney that I've missed. Simply, we need to get more happening on and around our big day.
Source: The Sun-Herald

 

[Happy Daze]

Someone is going to take this post apart piece by piece.

Off the top of my head, ever heard of the Canberra Raiders and Illawarra Steelers that came into an expanded comp in 1982?

Two clubs down the road from Sydney. Geelong has been in our competition for many decades.

 

[arakaan]

Two clubs down the road from Sydney. Geelong has been in our competition for many decades.

First of the 2 comp's to expand interstate. I like it.

 

[RandB]

First of the 2 comp's to expand interstate. I like it.

So ACT is a state is it?

Have you heard of either of the following leagues:

1) SANFL
2) WAFL

Before 1987 there was no reason for the VFL to expand in to SA or WA because they had and still have fluent leagues of their own. When the Eagles (87) and Crows (91) joined they were successfull ventures based on the strengths of their respective leagues.

Here's a point worth making: VFL/AFL first to have representatives from every mainland state and first to have representatives from non dominant states.

Illawara is going well, are they now based with St George?

 

[retroparty]

First of the 2 comp's to expand interstate. I like it.

hey buddy the club you support went to your town in 1981 and expanding NRL to the wollongong area is no feat. It is pretty much part of Sydney .

 

[Dan26]

Someone is going to take this post apart piece by piece.

Off the top of my head, ever heard of the Canberra Raiders and Illawarra Steelers that came into an expanded comp in 1982?

These two clubs were not from outside NSW-ACT. They are (or were, in the case of illawarra) about as significant to the NSWRL/NRL as Geelong is to the AFL. Probably less.

The VFL expanded beyond Victoria. The NSWRL followed.

The NRL owes the AFL big time. The NRL is the competition it currently is, because of the VFL-AFL.

They should get down on one knee and thank god that the competition with the VFL-AFL has persuaded them to copy virtually every meaningful innovation that the VFL ever brought in, making the NRL into a strong competition because of those copied innovations.

 

[diesel and dust]

First of the 2 comp's to expand interstate. I like it.

ACT is a state??


I knew i shouldn't have bought that cheap atlas from ALDI.......


3 and a half hours down the road..............Now THAT is captain cook style pioneering vision

 

[arakaan]

FMD 3 replies in no time to a little joking post.

get over it people. seriously, get a sense of humour.

 

[LebaneseForces]

So ACT is a state is it?

Have you heard of either of the following leagues:

1) SANFL
2) WAFL

Before 1987 there was no reason for the VFL to expand in to SA or WA because they had and still have fluent leagues of their own. When the Eagles (87) and Crows (91) joined they were successfull ventures based on the strengths of their respective leagues.

Here's a point worth making: VFL/AFL first to have representatives from every mainland state and first to have representatives from non dominant states.

Illawara is going well, are they now based with St George?

Dido with the QRL...

St George Illwarra are going great, how are the Fitzroy Lions? Heard they're now based wth the Brisbane Bears aye?

 

[LebaneseForces]

These two clubs were not from outside NSW-ACT. They are (or were, in the case of illawarra) about as significant to the NSWRL/NRL as Geelong is to the AFL. Probably less.

The VFL expanded beyond Victoria. The NSWRL followed.

The NRL owes the AFL big time. The NRL is the competition it currently is, because of the VFL-AFL.

They should get down on one knee and thank god that the competition with the VFL-AFL has persuaded them to copy virtually every meaningful innovation that the VFL ever brought in, making the NRL into a strong competition because of those copied innovations.

The CURRENT AFL finals system was used in RL, but let's forget that!

Mate, I don't think you'll find ONE person who doesn't agree that AFL is run way better then RL; through out the history of the NSWRL/ARL/NRL IMHO it's been run poorly. One day when the NRL isn't run by idiots, we might see RL achieve it's full potential Australia wide.

 

[Scorpio]

The CURRENT AFL finals system was used in RL, but let's forget that!

Mate, I don't think you'll find ONE person who doesn't agree that AFL is run way better then RL; through out the history of the NSWRL/ARL/NRL IMHO it's been run poorly. One day when the NRL isn't run by idiots, we might see RL achieve it's full potential Australia wide.

Through that one paragraph you have managed to tick off the following on the official NRL list of excuses (as supplied by cos789)...

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Official RL excuses and whinges

1 .SL stuffed us up completely and we haven't recovered .

2 .We play to our "heartlands"

3 . It's a television game

4 .The game is popular but the team isn't

5 .It's the Sydney transport system

6. It's the weather

7. It's the lack of media .

8. It's the unfair media .

8a. Our supporters can't read the media (nice pictures though)

9. It's the lack of developement by the NRL .

10. It's the lack of developement by the ARL .

11. That popular crowd drawing team is down .

12. The mergers put people off .

13. Dropping South Sydney put people off .

14. When they gonna build big stadiums at (below) .... the crowds will be enormous
a. Lang Park .
b. SFS
c . Melbourne Olympic Park
d . Perth MES
e. North alice springs two up park

15. The government won't finance new stadiums .

16 . Our stadiums are too big and look empty deterring more people .

17. When they gonna have double headers , triple headers ...
we can then claim the one crowd for both games !

18 . The new pokie tax is gonna kill off the leagues clubs .

19 . We don't have the AFL's draft .(confirmed by runin)

20. We don't have AFL's management .

21. We don't have AFL's clout .

22. We don't have a decent game ,(but that's the least of our problems)

23. Sheduled against us was an another big game of .....
RU , AFL, AL , NBL , ANL , WNBL.......

24 . There was a lot of sport on TV. ........
golf , tennis , lawn bowls , motorsports , bowling , darts , WWWWWE ................

25 .There was some good shows on TV .
a. Bloke's World returns
b. Iron Chef
c. Bert's big brother idol lost on celebrity dancing singing skating survivor

26. The report is not valid because it only shows interest not real support like ratings where the person gets off his butt and ............ sorry where the person changes the channel on the remote .

27 . RU is poaching all our players that we have developed and nurtured .

28 . The recent RU WC has diverted attention from RL .

29 . Different mix of teams in the Finals this year... (courtesy of LD)

30 . NRL scheduling or lack of scheduling of some games, Brisbane v Canterbury @ Lang Park(LD)
.
31. The lack of support it has given new sides like the storm , Reds ,warriors and putting a side on the central coast.

32 . Its lack of power over Channel 9 to get better air time to the NRL in all states

33 . Its image problem , drinking culture , sex scandals

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Good work

 

[Ronin]

These two clubs were not from outside NSW-ACT. They are (or were, in the case of illawarra) about as significant to the NSWRL/NRL as Geelong is to the AFL. Probably less.

The VFL expanded beyond Victoria. The NSWRL followed.

The NRL owes the AFL big time. The NRL is the competition it currently is, because of the VFL-AFL.

They should get down on one knee and thank god that the competition with the VFL-AFL has persuaded them to copy virtually every meaningful innovation that the VFL ever brought in, making the NRL into a strong competition because of those copied innovations.

Your post talked about National expansion, and I showed you that the NRL expanded to new cities in 1982. So what if they are 'down the road'.


So are you also going to say that AFL was first into NZ because of these guys:

 

[Dan26]

Your post talked about National expansion, and I showed you that the NRL expanded to new cities in 1982. So what if they are 'down the road'

Rubbish. My post said this:


"The expansion to a national competiton. The AFL brought in the Bears and Eagles in 1987. The NSWRL brought in the Broncos the following year. The 1988 Broncos were the first team from outside NSW/ACT."

The AFL expanded to a natinal competition. The NSWRL, as always, copied the AFL. Expanding to Wollongong and Canberra is not even going beyond NSW.

They've spent 100 years copying the VFL-AFL.

You know why? because the VFL-AFL has been, and always will be the biggest sporting competition, and it's the sporting league that every other competition in Australia aspires to be like. That is why the NRL copy the AFL, and it is the only reason why the NRL is the way it is now.

The owe the AFL big time. Where is the thanks? How about a thankyou to the AFL.

The CURRENT AFL finals system was used in RL, but let's forget that

The VFL brought in a grand Final. The NSWRL copied it.

The VFL brought in the McIntyre Final-4. The NSWRL copied it.

The VFL brought in a final-5. The NSWRL copied it.

The AFL brought in a final-8. The NRL copied it, and are using it now.

The current AFL final 8 is just the original final-4, expanded, with the onlty difference being the teams "cross over" in the 3rd week to avoid repeat match-ups. It's a system that was originally used in the VFL as a final-4 n 1930.

The NRL copy everything, because the AFL is the most successful model. There is no debate. There is nothing to argue - that's just the way it is.

 

[the_fresh]

The CURRENT AFL finals system was used in RL, but let's forget that!

Mate, I don't think you'll find ONE person who doesn't agree that AFL is run way better then RL; through out the history of the NSWRL/ARL/NRL IMHO it's been run poorly. One day when the NRL isn't run by idiots, we might see RL achieve it's full potential Australia wide.

LF, just a simple question...
Why are you on a AFL forum if you don't like the sport?

Lets look at it this way.

The NRL/NSWRL have tried to get teams up and running in AFL states, Vic, WA & SA. The Storm were at the start of 2006 broke, the other 2 states FAILED.
The reason why the storm is going so well is because they are winning, much like the Swans & Brisbane, the second they start losing is the second the NRL's shit will hit the fan, so they must keep getting high profile players to move south.

I like both sports, AFL is the game I grew up playing, watching and loving, NRL in the last few year because of the storm.
I'm lucky enough to live next door to the Telstra Dome and a few weeks ago saw there was no line at the ticket box so I headed down 15 minutes before the final and got myself a ticket.
The game is boring live next to the AFL. The friday of that weekend i was at a cracker of a AFL game (the best I've seen in years). No wonder it doesn't get as many people through the gate. In fact you need a TV to know whats going on half the time.
The NRL does have international backing, but really it's not something to boast about. NZ & England don't really care because its not RU, the rest of the world are no better than most top 8 NRL sides. The AFL have tried international rules but that has failed.

IMO the AFL is our National Football, Rugby is our internional Football and RL is very close behind both with Soccer bringing up the rear (like most soccer players do).

Both codes can live together, so why can we?

 

[cos789]

So are you also going to say that AFL was first into NZ because of these guys:

No , Australian Football was first into NZ , full stop .
RL hadn't been invented when Australian football was taken to NZ during the NZ gold rushes that followed the Australian gold rushes .
It was so popular that the Australian Football Council changed it's name to
Australasian Football Council . They had over 300 clubs playing Australian Football . Some of those clubs exist till this day .
The national NZ side which competed in Australia was known as the Golden Ferns .

 

[sainters]

No , Australian Football was first into NZ , full stop .
RL hadn't been invented when Australian football was taken to NZ during the NZ gold rushes that followed the Australian gold rushes .
It was so popular that the Australian Football Council changed it's name to
Australasian Football Council . They had over 300 clubs playing Australian Football . Some of those clubs exist till this day .
The national NZ side which competed in Australia was known as the Golden Ferns .

What happened? why is Aussie Rules nearly non-existant in NZ now?