Mega Thread Oh yeah ... did you know there are 17 other teams? - General AFL discussion #9 - Blues posters only

[Juddafideslenko]

they only doubled the salary cap in 84!.....and got away with it

 

[GoBlues!]

I just wonder why a club would sign a player to a lengthy contract knowing full well said player won't play for the entire duration of the contract, but the club will still have to include the player's salary in its TPP for a number of years after the player has retired. There is still something that doesn't add up for me.

The lengthy contract is to profile his payments to fit in with player retirements. I think Buddy's pay will start around $800k pa for the first 3 years (to accommodate Tippett's salary) and then increase to around $1.7m pa for next 3 years and then tapering down to around $800k pa for the final 3 years.

With the retirement of players like Goodes, O'Keefe, Shaw and Richards over the next couple of years the Swans can afford the higher amounts in the middle part of his contract. As you say he probably won't play out the last 2 years of his contract, but I guess the Swans are probably hoping to snag 1 or 2 flags in the next 6 years.

 

[Dramoth]

Buddy turns 27 in January, but regardless of that we live in a different football world where very few players play beyond their early 30s & I highly doubt Buddy is looking to emulate Dustin Fletcher or Brent Harvey. I would be surprised to see him play for more than another 5 years so we will have a situation where Sydney have Buddy's salary included in their TPP for at least 4 years after his retirement, most likely without having the benefit of the COLA.

Of course this is not Buddy's problem, but it will be the AFL's problem when Sydney find themselves in a situation where they are paying the full TPP whilst being unable to recruit or retain quality players due to their maxed out TPP, potentially seeing them near the bottom end of the AFL ladder for a number of years. As we know the AFL can't afford to have an uncompetitive Sydney Swans for any length of time, as the supporters will disappear very quickly & an empty, upgraded SCG is not a good look on national TV.

This brings me back to the suspicions I hold about the integrity of this deal & how it will pan out when Buddy decides to pull the pin on his playing career. There has to be a get out clause somewhere to save Sydney from itself. Anyway we shall see.

Fat Vlad and his coterie of sycophants are slowly screwing the game of Aussie Rules into the ground. Turning it into a soft version of the game... can't bump, dropping the ball (incorrect disposal) exists from week to week and if another player backs into you at a marking contest and you put your hands out to hold your position, you get pinged for hands in the back.

This is all just grist for the mill really. It make the game more entertaining for overseas viewers and for the rugby league supporters in those areas where AFL is trying to break into.

Here is a hint Fat Vlad... if a club cant survive in an area without substantial support from the parent organisation, then you need to find a new home for that club. Sydney are using their COLA as an extra portion of the salary cap to entice star players to play for them. If you have a look at the rest of the players up there, you will probably find out that their registered salary is set up to automatically include their COLA from the AFL. If they are on 250k, 9.8% of that would be their COLA and they are actually getting $224490.00 as their actual salary. But on the AFL books, they are getting paid 250k for their services... not 250k + 25510 which is how the COLA is supposed to work.

I agree with you... this deal in it's current form will screw Sydney for half a decade... if not longer. I am willing to bet that the year just before Buddy decides to pull the pin (maybe 31-32 years old), his manager and Sydney will sit down and re-work a new contract with whatever is leftover being worked into the deal. But there is no way, I agree, that Buddy will still be playing when he is 36.

 

[Juddafideslenko]

The lengthy contract is to profile his payments to fit in with player retirements. I think Buddy's pay will start around $800k pa for the first 3 years (to accommodate Tippett's salary) and then increase to around $1.7m pa for next 3 years and then tapering down to around $800k pa for the final 3 years.

With the retirement of players like Goodes, O'Keefe, Shaw and Richards over the next couple of years the Swans can afford the higher amounts in the middle part of his contract. As you say he probably won't play out the last 2 years of his contract, but I guess the Swans are probably hoping to snag 1 or 2 flags in the next 6 years.

there's next to no chance Buddy will play til he's 35-36.
He doesn't need to. He gets paid out his contract regardless. I'll stick my neck out and say 5 years and he'll hang em up!

 

[mediumsizered]

2 million per season! they scammed it well!
Buddy wont play past 31! hahaha
he couldn't be stuffed, better to play for 5 years for 9 mil instead of 9 years for 10 mil!
Simple economics!

Even Sydney wouldn't be able to fit $2m per season into their TPP in the first years of the contract, but more importantly, there is no way the AFL would allow such a payment schedule to be undertaken.

The AFL have clearly seen the finer details of the contract & signed off on it on the basis the payments will be included in the TPP for 9 years. Don't think for a moment this is something Demetriou has manipulated for the Swans, this would have been reviewed by Ken Wood & Andrew Dillon for its legitimacy. What concerns me is what slight of hand will be used for the last years of the contract (assuming Buddy retires after 5 years at the Swans) to ensure the Swans don't fall away competitively due to being unable to work anything around a very tight TPP situation.

 

[GoBlues!]

there's next to no chance Buddy will play til he's 35-36.
He doesn't need to. He gets paid out his contract regardless. I'll stick my neck out and say 5 years and he'll hang em up!

Buddy is 26 and if he plays for the next 5 years will only be 31. No reason why he cant play till he's 33.

If he plays the next 6 years he'll be the same age as O'Keefe is now (32) and if he plays the next 7 years he'll be the same age as Goodes is now - and both these players are playing on.

 

[Juddafideslenko]

Even Sydney wouldn't be able to fit $2m per season into their TPP in the first years of the contract, but more importantly, there is no way the AFL would allow such a payment schedule to be undertaken.

The AFL have clearly seen the finer details of the contract & signed off on it on the basis the payments will be included in the TPP for 9 years. Don't think for a moment this is something Demetriou has manipulated for the Swans, this would have been reviewed by Ken Wood & Andrew Dillon for its legitimacy. What concerns me is what slight of hand will be used for the last years of the contract (assuming Buddy retires after 5 years at the Swans) to ensure the Swans don't fall away competitively due to being unable to work anything around a very tight TPP situation.

I wouldn't put anything past Vlad and the AFL.
I dont trust them one iota.
Sydney must stay strong and GWS must improve.
Dont underestimate how important the largest viewing audience in Australia is to the AFL.

And dont get sucked into the legitimacy and ethics of it all.
This IS the AFL and there is nothing they wont do to further their own ends and feather their own nest.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely!

 

[HBF]

Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but from 2015 the COLA that the Swans have enjoyed for years and years may be no more. Really going to put the squeeze on them if they lose $900k per year.

 

[MrJimmy]

Buddy is a dead shit.

 

[Blue Dangerfield]

Even Sydney wouldn't be able to fit $2m per season into their TPP in the first years of the contract, but more importantly, there is no way the AFL would allow such a payment schedule to be undertaken.

The AFL have clearly seen the finer details of the contract & signed off on it on the basis the payments will be included in the TPP for 9 years. Don't think for a moment this is something Demetriou has manipulated for the Swans, this would have been reviewed by Ken Wood & Andrew Dillon for its legitimacy. What concerns me is what slight of hand will be used for the last years of the contract (assuming Buddy retires after 5 years at the Swans) to ensure the Swans don't fall away competitively due to being unable to work anything around a very tight TPP situation.

Would like to see all the victorian clubs target Sydney restricted free agents, drive up their prices over then next few years.

 

[Aphrodite]

All the best Jordan!!

 

[Just Kreuzing]

The AFL's team (Sydney) will get an end of round 1 compo pick for Bannister retiring....

 

[Aphrodite]

Just been reported on GueSSEN that Cameron Ling & Leigh Tudor have been appointed as assistant coaches at North.

 

[blueboy25]

Just been reported on GueSSEN that Cameron Ling & Leigh Tudor have been appointed as assistant coaches at North.

I heard JB mention that Lingy was keeping his media roles but was doing some casual work with the North leadership group.

 

[zeeCFC]

North are kicking goals on and off field this off season. They've done very well to set themselves up.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Just reading the John Anderson's top 10 smartest trade deals (AFL.com) and got a little worried when I seen what Collingwood did in 2004 with MM there.

Basically traded away the opportunity to have Jordan Lewis and Mark Lecras to acquire Chris Egan and Chad Morrison with some other bits and pieces involved.

I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but I hope we dont have any sort of howler like this.

Then again is it Hawthorn just being better then most to to get these deals done as the Gunston deal in the same article is another great coup for them.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Just been reported on GueSSEN that Cameron Ling & Leigh Tudor have been appointed as assistant coaches at North.

Oh no, wanted Lingy to come to Carlton.

 

[Silvagnis]

SuperFooty (AFL) ‏@superfooty 39m Former @Essendon_FC assistant Dean Wallis + @westernbulldogs VFL & Dev. coach Peter German both sacked today. Wallis had been in admin

Eat a dick Wallis.

 

[Graffy4242]

SuperFooty (AFL) ‏@superfooty 39m Former @Essendon_FC assistant Dean Wallis + @westernbulldogs VFL & Dev. coach Peter German both sacked today. Wallis had been in admin

Eat a dick Wallis.

I hear he is interviewing at Tabcorp.

 

[HBF]

Just been reported on GueSSEN that Cameron Ling & Leigh Tudor have been appointed as assistant coaches at North.

Lingy is only doing it part time, one day a week.
And he's working with their leadership team.

 

[Jeremias]

Wonder if Fraser Brown tackled him on his way out the door.

 

[Aphrodite]

North are kicking goals on and off field this off season. They've done very well to set themselves up.

Best addition is John Donehue.

Wish he was still at the Blues.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Wonder if Fraser Brown tackled him on his way out the door.

More then likely Doggy only bumped him, that would of been his only option as Wallis would not have had a ball in his hands.....

 

[Aphrodite]

I heard JB mention that Lingy was keeping his media roles but was doing some casual work with the North leadership group.

LINK

Ling will take on a one-day a week role in which he will assist the club's leadership development program

 

[Aphrodite]

Lingy is only doing it part time, one day a week.
And he's working with their leadership team.

Just saw it before on afl.com.au