Oppo Camp OTHER CLUB Trade and F/A Discussion

[sam_e]

rucks often look like they could be good forwards but seldom do, and why would you want to take him out of the ruck in the first place.

Best not to go down the Melbourne route of trying to turn rucks into forwards.

reckon he might be the exception

he's a ripping mark so the Grundy comparison doesn't fit
and he's a reliable shot for goal which takes care of the Gawn comparison.

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

reckon he might be the exception

he's a ripping mark so the Grundy comparison doesn't fit
and he's a reliable shot for goal which takes care of the Gawn comparison.

English is a very good player but 63.51 (55%) isn’t that accurate for a key forward

He also possibly had a high percentage of kicks close to goal with his marking skills


Fun fact: Gavin Brown kicked 11.27 for 1989

I forgot that brilliant player’s flaw in a year where he was All Australian and Copeland winner

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Geelong currently don't even have a pick listed after 8.

I doubt they would be splitting that for 2 lesser picks in order to then use one on Rat.

They'd be pushing it to get a pick lower than 25 for their future 2nd also.

I hope Port stand firm and call their bluff.

They sold the 2023 draft farm last year to land Henry ( three 2022 picks and a 2023 second and fourth round just for pick 25…. Which still wasn’t enough for Collingwood so they then had to throw in cooper Stephens to hawthorn so Collingwood could land mitchell on a subsidised salary) …… and Bowes (2023 third round), a player they probably didn’t want but were attracted by the 2022 pick 7 that the Suns were offering as an incentive to put this spud on their books.

 

[Vicky Park]

They know they're in an ominous and funky spot with their list and are highly anxious about it I reckon

I like your reference to ‘ominous and funky’. Not normally used when describing the state of an AFL list, but Geelong like to be different. I’ve really enjoyed them crashing back to earth this year, and look forward to many more middling years where (hopefully) they bump around between 9 and 12 on the ladder - the Death Zone.

 

[windchimes]

I like your reference to ‘ominous and funky’. Not normally used when describing the state of an AFL list, but Geelong like to be different. I’ve really enjoyed them crashing back to earth this year, and look forward to many more middling years where (hopefully) they bump around between 9 and 12 on the ladder - the Death Zone.

Definitely, it's their turn.

 

[neilk]

I like your reference to ‘ominous and funky’. Not normally used when describing the state of an AFL list, but Geelong like to be different. I’ve really enjoyed them crashing back to earth this year, and look forward to many more middling years where (hopefully) they bump around between 9 and 12 on the ladder - the Death Zone.

I assume Mr Park doesn't share your sentiments?

 

[Vicky Park]

I assume Mr Park doesn't share your sentiments?

I haven’t run this thought past him. I’m still in the non-combative post-flag euphoria. Otherwise known as a very good mood.

 

[Scodog10]

Just get rid of the restricted part and take away the right to match. What function does it actually serve?

It safeguards against minnow clubs getting raided and repeating the cycle of ineptitude. Let’s say the compensation for McKay came back as band 2 the RFA status at least allowed North to match and trade maximising the return. If anything an argument could be made for RFA becoming broader and being the status of any player U30 or from a bottom 10 club.

 

[sr36]

It safeguards against minnow clubs getting raided and repeating the cycle of ineptitude. Let’s say the compensation for McKay came back as band 2 the RFA status at least allowed North to match and trade maximising the return. If anything an argument could be made for RFA becoming broader and being the status of any player U30 or from a bottom 10 club.

Unless I've missed some, we've only seen 2 examples of match and trade (or in Dangers case the threat of match) both of them would have been band 1 anyway. The rest of the time it's been used to inflate contracts to get higher compo, often at the detriment of other minnow clubs. Get the band 1 compo right for the truly elite blokes and you wouldn't have had those two examples.

 

[Bianconeri]

He's probably a 450-500k player and it's now in the twittersphere that Essendon's contract offer to him is 700k p/a. They don't offer that money without money to burn, so they've essentially overpaid 200k p/a to hang on to whatever pick St Kilda would've otherwise demanded (hypothetically say pick 30).

Anyway, Gresham is getting overpaid and under FA rules the Bombers can't adjust (extend and smooth or otherwise) so it's good for the player.

On the other hand you've got someone like Parish sitting there scratching his head at how close Gresham's offer is to his. And then you have a player like Archie Perkins OOC 2024 who's going to be majorly pissed off if he has a better year than Gresham next year and doesn't get a 700k offer.

That's why I laugh at Essendon's supposed TPP increase war chest because there's only so much money you can toss around before your existing players start getting shitty.

If Essendon’s acquisitions improve them enough the only players that will complain are fringe players not getting a game. Everyone will enjoy their football more if they become competitive.

McStay getting paid more than Mihocek was supposedly going to ruffle feathers in the team but I doubt anyone cares after the premiership.

 

[Bianconeri]

I've got no qualms about the equalisation measure in it. It's a club getting a freebie and then non-involved clubs paying for it by having lesser draft picks that I don't like. If they have to keep it, I'd definitely remove the restricted matching the offer part. There's never actually been a matched player that's been kept. That part just works towards rorting of contracts to avoid a trade, so the acquiring club ensures they get him for free and the losing club gets an extra advantage above the reasonable compo.

You just have qualms in the mechanism that achieves this.

 

[sr36]

You just have qualms in the mechanism that achieves this.

Ultimately I don't think the mechanism achieves it. They were concerned that clubs at the top of the ladder would benefit at the expense of clubs down the bottom due to being easier to poach whilst you're good

In this scenario the mechanism gives a freebie to the team up the top of the ladder and compensation to a team at the bottom of the ladder, but that compensation comes at the detriment of the other teams at the bottom of the ladder.

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

I haven’t run this thought past him. I’m still in the non-combative post-flag euphoria. Otherwise known as a very good mood.

You’ve always been too good to him

(and for him)

 

[Bianconeri]

Ultimately I don't think the mechanism achieves it. They were concerned that clubs at the top of the ladder would benefit at the expense of clubs down the bottom due to being easier to poach whilst you're good

In this scenario the mechanism gives a freebie to the team up the top of the ladder and compensation to a team at the bottom of the ladder, but that compensation comes at the detriment of the other teams at the bottom of the ladder.

Okay, I see your point now.

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[vindaloo]

How come they accept trades on a Saturday, I thought it was shut for the weekend.

 

[sam_e]

Brockman 26 games (2 seasons), scored 23.12 goals, gives me Bobby Hill (and if you squint a tad, Cyril) vibes!

 

[jmac70]

How come they accept trades on a Saturday, I thought it was shut for the weekend.

You can still get takeaway.

 

[windchimes]

You can still get takeaway.

I want a takeaway vindaloo now.

 

[jmac70]

I want a takeaway vindaloo now.

Do it.

 

[windchimes]

Do it.

A few more cans, then that Menulog button on my phone will be beyond irresistible.

 

[TradeDraft]

How come they accept trades on a Saturday, I thought it was shut for the weekend.

Rules must of Changed

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Rules must of Changed

Perhaps it was just the paperwork that went through this morning.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

Nathan Brown and Alex Fasolo? Was Keeffe a DFA or an UFA?

Think fas was delisted wasn’t he?
Brown might have been one. Can’t recall.

Point stands that we don’t lose too many !!

 

[partypie]

How come they accept trades on a Saturday, I thought it was shut for the weekend.

They can still file the paperwork on the weekend, it just wont get processed until Monday.