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[The Phantom]

We have the least amount of under 22 players on an AFL list. So far this year we have played the least amount of under 22 players How do our list of under 22's stack up against the players getting a game at other clubs

List of players born after 1/1/02 (22 & under)

Adelaide have 16 players. 11 have played in 2024
Notable players are S. Berry (pick 28), R. Thilthorpe (pick 2), J. Rachele (pick 6), L. Pedlar (pick 11); J. Soligo (pick 36)

Brisbane have 13 players. 5 have played in 2024
Notable players are K. Lohmann (pick 20), W. Ashcroft (pick 2), J. Fletcher (pick 12), D. Wilmot (16)

Carlton have 11 players. 4 have played in 2024
Notable players are O. Hollands (pick 11), E. Hollands (trade), J. Carroll (pick 41), C. Durdin (pick 37)

Collingwood have 10 players. 3 have played in 2024. We have the least amount of under 22 players and the least amount of players to play games. Notable players are N. Daicos (pick 4) - 5 games, R. McInnes (pick 23) - 3 games, F. Macrae (pick 19) - 3 games. Macrae came on in the last quarter in 2 games & then was subbed out at halftime in his 3rd game (effectively played 4 quarters)
Players yet to play in 2024 are E. Allan (pick 19), J. Ryan (pick 28), A. Begg (MSD), O. Steene (SSP), J. Eyre (SSP), H. Demattia (pick 25) and T. Jiath (pick 37)

Essendon have 15 players. 7 have played in 2024
Notable players are E. Tsatas (pick 5); B. Hobbs (pick 13), N. Cox (pick 8), A. Perkins (pick 9), Z. Reid (pick 10), N. Caddy (pick 10)

Fremantle have 16 players. 6 have played in 2024
J. Amiss (pick 8), N. Erasmus (pick 10), J. Tracey (rookie), M. Johnson (pick 21)

GWS have 15 players. 3 have played in 2024
Notable players are A. Cadman (pick 1), F. Callaghan (pick 3). Yet to play in 2024 are P. Gothard (pick 12), C. Stone (pick 15), H. Rowston (pick 16), J. Leake (pick 17) R. Angwin (pick 18), M. Gruzewski (pick 22). GWS have a stockpile of quality young players

Geelong have 17 players. 7 have played in 2024
Notable players are T. Bruhn (trade), M. Holmes (pick 20), J. Clark (pick 8), O. Dempsey (rookie), O. Henry (trade). Yet to play in 2024 are C. O’ Sullivan (pick 11)

GCS have 16 players. 4 have played in 2024
Notable players are B. Humphrey (pick 6), M. Andrew (pick 5), N. Moyle (MSD). Players yet to play in 2024: A. Davies (Zone), J. Walter (pick 3), E. Read (pick 9), W. Graham (pick 26)

Hawks have 20 players. 11 have played in 2024
Notable players are M. D’Ambrosio (MSD), J. Weddle (pick 18), J. Ward (pick 7), C. McKenzie (pick 7), N. Watson (pick 5). Players yet to play in 2024 are Denver GBS (pick 6), W. McCabe (pick 19)

Melbourne have 16 players. 5 have played in 2024
Notable players are J. Van Rooyen (pick 19), J. McVee (rookie), T. Woewodin (pick 65). Players yet to play in 2024 are C. Windsor (pick 7), K. Tholstrup (pick 13), M. Jefferson (pick 15)

North Melbourne have 21 players. 7 have played in 2024
Notable players are. H. Sheezel (pick 3), G. Wardlaw (pick 4), C. McKercher (pick 2), T. Powell (pick 13), P. Curtis (pick 35). Players yet to play in 2024 are W. Phillips (pick 3), Z. Duursma (pick 4)

Port Adelaide have 14 players. 3 have played in 2024
Notable players are J. Horne-Francis (pick 1), L. Jones (pick 16)

Richmond have 13 players. 7 have played in 2024
Notable players are M. Rioli (F/S pick 52), J. Gibcus (pick 9), T. Brown (pick 17), T. Sonsie (pick 28), S. Banks (pick 29)

St. Kilda have 17 players. 5 have played in 2024
Notable players are M. Windhager (pick 47), N. Wanganeen-Milera (pick 11), M. Phillipou (pick 10), M. Owens (pick 33), A. Caminiti (SSP)

Sydney have 15 players. 5 have played in 2024
Notable players are L. McDonald (pick 4), B. Campbell (pick 5), E. Gulden (pick 32), M. Roberts (pick 34). Yet to play in 2024 are A. Sheldrick (pick 18), J. Konstanty (pick 20), C. Cleary (pick 24)

WCE have 22 players. 11 players have played in 2024
Notable players are H. Reid (pick 1), R. Gibney (pick 9), E. Hewett (pick 14), C. Chesser (pick 14), B. Hough (pick 31)

WB have 15 players. 4 have played in 2024
Notable players are JUH (pick 1), R. Sanders (pick 6), S. Darcy (pick 2). Players yet to play in 2024 are J. Busslinger (pick 13), J. Croft (pick 15)

Great stat work.

We are reigning Premiers.
I would expect us to be experience heavy.

Not sure there’s a problem here. Yet.

 

[Scodog10]

Pretty good, given we would have 16 flags.

EFA. If we win in 2018 Buckley survives 2021 and we don’t now have McRae…

 

[The Phantom]

EFA. If we win in 2018 Buckley survives 2021 and we don’t now have McRae…

I would have been delighted to see Bux get a flag.

I’m now delighted we won it with McRae

 

[Gone Critical]

At the risk of being controversial, the longer this season goes, the more grateful I am that we snatched a flag in 2023.

The more I look at our list, the bigger the holes I see. We are still far too reliant on aging warriors and they’re not being pushed aside by talented hungry youngsters. And we lack top-tier structural tall players, which are so hard to find.

I’d go so far as to say that we have the weakest set of under-22 players in the league. Mismanagement of our salary cap and draft picks (and a bit of bad luck) over several years had left the cupboard relatively empty. There’s nothing much in the VFL for any of us to get truly excited about and we don’t even have a first rounder this year. We’ve just not capable of going back-to-back.

I know that all sounds like a negative whinge but it’s not. I’m eternally grateful that we seized our moment. Much better than the likes of Brisbane, Port and GWS who have been knocking on the door for years without ever getting it done.

I expect us to miss the Eight this year and to slide into the bottom four in 2025, before starting to rebuild in 2026. But the memories of 2022 and 2023 will keep me smiling as our renewal period runs its course.


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Agree with your sentiment. Fly not only did a great innovative job coaching a list that was only just there in terms of contention but he also went all in with his career. Rather that take a partial rebuild type process he went for immediate success probably knowing if he didn't pull it off his senior coaching career may have not lasted.

Now despite our old best 23 and a fairly empty cupboard of players coming through we are basking in the reflection of a flag and Fly will coach us for a good while. We are in excellent hands.

 

[No SPIN]

At the risk of being controversial, the longer this season goes, the more grateful I am that we snatched a flag in 2023.

The more I look at our list, the bigger the holes I see. We are still far too reliant on aging warriors and they’re not being pushed aside by talented hungry youngsters. And we lack top-tier structural tall players, which are so hard to find.

I’d go so far as to say that we have the weakest set of under-22 players in the league. Mismanagement of our salary cap and draft picks (and a bit of bad luck) over several years had left the cupboard relatively empty. There’s nothing much in the VFL for any of us to get truly excited about and we don’t even have a first rounder this year. We’ve just not capable of going back-to-back.

I know that all sounds like a negative whinge but it’s not. I’m eternally grateful that we seized our moment. Much better than the likes of Brisbane, Port and GWS who have been knocking on the door for years without ever getting it done.

I expect us to miss the Eight this year and to slide into the bottom four in 2025, before starting to rebuild in 2026. But the memories of 2022 and 2023 will keep me smiling as our renewal period runs its course.


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Our veterans will not be at their peak when they’re replaced. Therefore there is nothing to fear in term of pure football ability in replacing them.
We will lose their experience and on field leadership- so the question becomes do we have emerging leaders to replace them.
Pendles will be the hardest to replace - he’s a once in a generation on field maestro.
I’m comfortable we’ll be able to replace
these leaders, and combined with our war chest I doubt, if we fall to bottom 4 as you’re predicting.

 

[No SPIN]

Would love a Key forward but below highlights the pressing need:

2024 PRIMARY MIDFIELDERS AVERAGE RATINGS​

Sydney	Isaac Heeney, Chad Warner, Errol Gulden	19.0
Port Adelaide	Zak Butters, Connor Rozee, Jason Horne-Francis	17.7
Western Bulldogs	Marcus Bontempelli, Adam Treloar, Tom Liberatore	17.2
Greater Western Sydney	Stephen Coniglio, Tom Green, Josh Kelly	16.3
Melbourne	Jack Viney, Clayton Oliver, Christian Petracca	15.6
Hawthorn	Jai Newcombe, Conor Nash, James Worpel	14.6
Gold Coast	Noah Anderson, Matt Rowell, Touk Miller	14.5
North Melbourne	Luke Davies-Uniacke, Tom Powell, George Wardlaw	14.5
Carlton	George Hewett, Patrick Cripps, Adam Cerra	14.2
Fremantle	Caleb Serong, Hayden Young, Andrew Brayshaw	14.2
Essendon	Zach Merrett, Archie Perkins, Will Setterfield	13.9
Brisbane	Josh Dunkley, Lachie Neale, Hugh McCluggage	13.6
West Coast	Tim Kelly, Elliot Yeo, Harley Reid	13.3
Adelaide	Jordan Dawson, Matt Crouch, Rory Laird	12.3
Richmond	Tim Taranto, Thomson Dow, Shai Bolton	12.0
St Kilda	Jack Steele, Seb Ross, Marcus Windhager	11.6
Collingwood	Jordan De Goey, Nick Daicos, Scott Pendlebury	11.4
Geelong	Patrick Dangerfield, Jhye Clark, Tanner Bruhn	9.4

The two oldest teams in the last positions (is that really Geelong's starting midfield?) but on the upside Carlton could be found out in September with those numbers.

It's 2 x mids I reckon, replace Pendles and send Nick back to defence while his body matures, it's easy to forget how young he is he's such a gun.

Source?

 

[gouki88]

I'm keen for Harrison to get Beau's F50 role as I think the spot as a more accountable, tackling 3rd mid could be more permanent.

Sully surely gets a chance to rotate with Titch soon.

I would imagine Sullivan gets a look in very soon, even as a sub. HH will add nicely to our F50 pressure.

I could see Beau moving to a defensive midfielder role. My dream is for him to develop into a Tom Atkins type - low possession numbers, but maniacal tackling

 

[sr36]

We have the least amount of under 22 players on an AFL list. So far this year we have played the least amount of under 22 players How do our list of under 22's stack up against the players getting a game at other clubs

List of players born after 1/1/02 (22 & under)

Adelaide have 16 players. 11 have played in 2024
Notable players are S. Berry (pick 28), R. Thilthorpe (pick 2), J. Rachele (pick 6), L. Pedlar (pick 11); J. Soligo (pick 36)

Brisbane have 13 players. 5 have played in 2024
Notable players are K. Lohmann (pick 20), W. Ashcroft (pick 2), J. Fletcher (pick 12), D. Wilmot (16)

Carlton have 11 players. 4 have played in 2024
Notable players are O. Hollands (pick 11), E. Hollands (trade), J. Carroll (pick 41), C. Durdin (pick 37)

Collingwood have 10 players. 3 have played in 2024. We have the least amount of under 22 players and the least amount of players to play games. Notable players are N. Daicos (pick 4) - 5 games, R. McInnes (pick 23) - 3 games, F. Macrae (pick 19) - 3 games. Macrae came on in the last quarter in 2 games & then was subbed out at halftime in his 3rd game (effectively played 4 quarters)
Players yet to play in 2024 are E. Allan (pick 19), J. Ryan (pick 28), A. Begg (MSD), O. Steene (SSP), J. Eyre (SSP), H. Demattia (pick 25) and T. Jiath (pick 37)

Essendon have 15 players. 7 have played in 2024
Notable players are E. Tsatas (pick 5); B. Hobbs (pick 13), N. Cox (pick 8), A. Perkins (pick 9), Z. Reid (pick 10), N. Caddy (pick 10)

Fremantle have 16 players. 6 have played in 2024
J. Amiss (pick 8), N. Erasmus (pick 10), J. Tracey (rookie), M. Johnson (pick 21)

GWS have 15 players. 3 have played in 2024
Notable players are A. Cadman (pick 1), F. Callaghan (pick 3). Yet to play in 2024 are P. Gothard (pick 12), C. Stone (pick 15), H. Rowston (pick 16), J. Leake (pick 17) R. Angwin (pick 18), M. Gruzewski (pick 22). GWS have a stockpile of quality young players

Geelong have 17 players. 7 have played in 2024
Notable players are T. Bruhn (trade), M. Holmes (pick 20), J. Clark (pick 8), O. Dempsey (rookie), O. Henry (trade). Yet to play in 2024 are C. O’ Sullivan (pick 11)

GCS have 16 players. 4 have played in 2024
Notable players are B. Humphrey (pick 6), M. Andrew (pick 5), N. Moyle (MSD). Players yet to play in 2024: A. Davies (Zone), J. Walter (pick 3), E. Read (pick 9), W. Graham (pick 26)

Hawks have 20 players. 11 have played in 2024
Notable players are M. D’Ambrosio (MSD), J. Weddle (pick 18), J. Ward (pick 7), C. McKenzie (pick 7), N. Watson (pick 5). Players yet to play in 2024 are Denver GBS (pick 6), W. McCabe (pick 19)

Melbourne have 16 players. 5 have played in 2024
Notable players are J. Van Rooyen (pick 19), J. McVee (rookie), T. Woewodin (pick 65). Players yet to play in 2024 are C. Windsor (pick 7), K. Tholstrup (pick 13), M. Jefferson (pick 15)

North Melbourne have 21 players. 7 have played in 2024
Notable players are. H. Sheezel (pick 3), G. Wardlaw (pick 4), C. McKercher (pick 2), T. Powell (pick 13), P. Curtis (pick 35). Players yet to play in 2024 are W. Phillips (pick 3), Z. Duursma (pick 4)

Port Adelaide have 14 players. 3 have played in 2024
Notable players are J. Horne-Francis (pick 1), L. Jones (pick 16)

Richmond have 13 players. 7 have played in 2024
Notable players are M. Rioli (F/S pick 52), J. Gibcus (pick 9), T. Brown (pick 17), T. Sonsie (pick 28), S. Banks (pick 29)

St. Kilda have 17 players. 5 have played in 2024
Notable players are M. Windhager (pick 47), N. Wanganeen-Milera (pick 11), M. Phillipou (pick 10), M. Owens (pick 33), A. Caminiti (SSP)

Sydney have 15 players. 5 have played in 2024
Notable players are L. McDonald (pick 4), B. Campbell (pick 5), E. Gulden (pick 32), M. Roberts (pick 34). Yet to play in 2024 are A. Sheldrick (pick 18), J. Konstanty (pick 20), C. Cleary (pick 24)

WCE have 22 players. 11 players have played in 2024
Notable players are H. Reid (pick 1), R. Gibney (pick 9), E. Hewett (pick 14), C. Chesser (pick 14), B. Hough (pick 31)

WB have 15 players. 4 have played in 2024
Notable players are JUH (pick 1), R. Sanders (pick 6), S. Darcy (pick 2). Players yet to play in 2024 are J. Busslinger (pick 13), J. Croft (pick 15)

Ignore the number of under 22. That's simply because we've moved away from late draft picks and chosen the SSP route instead. It's all about the quality when it comes to the young kids on your list. Other than Nick, we don't really know what we've got yet.

 

[memoryofmchale]

If it didn’t cost an arm and a leg, we should be trying to coax Ryley Sanders to leave the Bulldogs and be saved from Bevo? If we took him from the Dogs for three seasons and oversold high …

 

[memoryofmchale]

They don't? Who did they trade it for?

Gold Coast. Pick swap for points.

 

[stormskye]

They don't? Who did they trade it for?

The AFL on Monday confirmed the Bulldogs had received Picks 4, 46 and 51, as well as Gold Coast's future third-round pick. The Suns, meanwhile, acquired three first-rounders: Picks 10, 17 and the Dogs' future first-round pick. The three first-rounder deal was flagged by foxfooty.com.au in September


They gave up a lot for sanders

 

[Soups]

If it didn’t cost an arm and a leg, we should be trying to coax Ryley Sanders to leave the Bulldogs and be saved from Bevo? If we took him from the Dogs for three seasons and oversold high …

What do you mean if it didn’t cost an arm and a leg? You well know it would and we hardly have an arm, let alone leg

 

[memoryofmchale]

What do you mean if it didn’t cost an arm and a leg? You well know it would and we hardly have an arm, let alone leg

If as I know it won’t happen but wouldn’t it be nice?

 

[stormskye]

If it didn’t cost an arm and a leg, we should be trying to coax Ryley Sanders to leave the Bulldogs and be saved from Bevo? If we took him from the Dogs for three seasons and oversold high …

He’s literally just been drafted. Next thing we will going after a players first born

 

[sr36]

He’s literally just been drafted. Next thing we will going after a players first born

Like Josh? And we were eyeing off the second born when he was about 10.

 

[brysie]

Extremely unlikely, but what do people think it would cost in trade value if JUH was to nominate us?

Clearly our picks are limited, so it would need to involve players. Therefore, which players?

To my mind Macrae, McCreery and our future first would be the minimum.

 

[Harry O]

What do you mean if it didn’t cost an arm and a leg? You well know it would and we hardly have an arm, let alone leg

Sanders will be playing for the Devils before you know it. $1.01 to happen

 

[stormskye]

Extremely unlikely, but what do people think it would cost in trade value if JUH was to nominate us?

Clearly our picks are limited, so it would need to involve players. Therefore, which players?

To my mind Macrae, McCreery and our future first would be the minimum.

That would be the entry fee

 

[brysie]

That would be the entry fee

Yeh, probably. There’s probably a few more picks and maybe a player too - I don’t think we have a player we’d be willing to give though, other than perhaps, at a stretch, IQ.

Dogs to me lack a big defender, a quality wing, a small forward and someone who is capable of playing hybrid tall/small in their backline. Our options in these spots aren’t players I’d see us as being willing to trade.

 

[sr36]

If as I know it won’t happen but wouldn’t it be nice?

If you're going to eye off trade targets with no chance of happening - make it Connor Rozee.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

What do you mean if it didn’t cost an arm and a leg? You well know it would and we hardly have an arm, let alone leg

We might have a future leg, or can trade in an arm if one of our pelvises wants to leave.

 

[Fruit]

Can the dogs afford all their talls?
Who can we get?
More Darcey sons to come too.

The Dogs seem the most exposed and there seems to be something wrong at that club which might just make it easier to pry players out. They have so many players who will command big dollars. The maths can’t add up.

 

[manicpie]

Extremely unlikely, but what do people think it would cost in trade value if JUH was to nominate us?

Clearly our picks are limited, so it would need to involve players. Therefore, which players?

To my mind Macrae, McCreery and our future first would be the minimum.

The Dogs don't want Fins brother so I doubt they want Fin. McCreery would be right up their alley and would take him in a heartbeat but we are going to need a hell of a lot more

 

[stormskye]

The Dogs seem the most exposed and there seems to be something wrong at that club which might just make it easier to pry players out. They have so many players who will command big dollars. The maths can’t add up.

Is naughton a million dollar forward? He’s a great player but I look at the million club as players like Cameron, free kick curnow, etc.

I think he’s a step below them. JUH will be though.

English a mill? Not for me. He’s way too uncompetitive.

 

[ellesbells]

Source?

Champion data.