List Mgmt. Our Trade/FA, Suburban & Country Town Thread

[Hardas]

As much as I like his name

No no no

From me too, but his grandfather was a ****ing gun!

 

[Bianconeri]

Agree, I don't think LDU is the perfect target for us others think he is. That defensive mid is the bigger concern for us, we've relied on pendlebury in this role, titch to a lesser extent and at times tried long, macrae and co in there. I think we've targeted perryman to help round that group out.

If we hit FA next year I think brayshaw or richards are better "all rounder" mids, and a key defender or forward are potentially bigger priorities-not sure if there are many in the fa class. Howe strikes me as the hardest of our vets to replace.

I think that’s why we got Perryman

 

[Bianconeri]

Agree with you.

The problem with Frampton is that he can only play deep - he gets lost if higher up the ground and then he can only play on certain players, so he's in trouble if teams don't have a player that plays deep and that he's suited to play on.

The other issues with Frampton is he could have an ideal match up deep and still lose the match up.

 

[Kes1984]

English magpie learning the game. First game watched with Fat Jesus was the 2023 grand final. Excited to see Houston in black n white. Go pies.

You picked a good game to watch

 

[domus]

He is undersized (188cm).

I would much prefer a big power forward that can also play in the ruck when required. I was imagining a tall forward around 200cm. We were looking to replace McStay/Checkers when they are injured.

At least with Hayes, (only 194cm) you could see improvement on his previous output due to age and bad run with injuries.

Membrey I view as a poor man's Elliott or WHE.

He's a 30 plus a year goal kicking forward. Nothing to turn your nose up at.

 

[Horaceg]

not angry. - He had a great footballing career
disappointed - He is no longer with us
confused - He has been suggested to lace em up after we lost him a few years back.

As great a player and Premiership Captain he was, unfortunately we lost Murray a few years back.

 

[Jen2310]

Mitch Cleary reckons we'll only go with one DFA.

So in terms of Tomlinson, he won't be a factor for us unless we have a spot left over post draft.

 

[Fat Jesus]

He is undersized (188cm).

I would much prefer a big power forward that can also play in the ruck when required. I was imagining a tall forward around 200cm. We were looking to replace McStay/Checkers when they are injured.

At least with Hayes, (only 194cm) you could see improvement on his previous output due to age and bad run with injuries.

Membrey I view as a poor man's Elliott or WHE.

He has a great vertical jump. Plays big.
Kicks goals in a shit team.

 

[Matt_352]

Mitch Cleary reckons we'll only go with one DFA.

So in terms of Tomlinson, he won't be a factor for us unless we have a spot left over post draft.

Stupid if true

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

I’d argue that letting Nick Stevens walk for no return was a worse outcome for them.

Disagree they won the premiership the year after he was traded. While we fell down the ladder after not getting him. Maybe long term it was worse but short term it wasn't an issue.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

We’ve also drafted your older, balder, fatter third tall

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Whatever he hypothetically accept will net North highest band compo.

If they finish down the bottom again they’d have to weight up pick 3 vs a few late future firsts from the Pies. (With us getting him in this hypothetical).

They’d likely prefer the high pick now.

If I was North I would match no matter what with LDU next year. They don't need another drafee. They need mature club leaders and LDU is is that and a bloody good player.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Disagree they won the premiership the year after he was traded. While we fell down the ladder after not getting him. Maybe long term it was worse but short term it wasn't an issue.

No one is saying they should have kept him, but they SHOULD have traded him for a first round pick and either Richard Cole or Ryan Lonie.

Even if neither of those guys really ended up setting the world on fire in their careers, that was a fair price, and acting like they were standing their ground by losing him for nothing was idiotic on their part.

 

[Apex36]

Funny enough Membrey has kicked more goals (293 (179games) in less games than Elliott (287 (194 games), and done so while playing for a very defensive club who struggle to score with a win rate of 48%. I also prefer Elliott, but given that Elliott (and others) are increasingly getting banged up, I reckon Membrey is a really great get .....very surprised StKilda is letting it happen. He also gives our Forward line a variation (third tall) which will make defending more difficult against our smalls (Hill/Elliott/Schultz/McCreery) with him being added as part of that rotation within game.

To give this comparison a little context, Elliott spent significant time playing midfield minutes for a period of his career which would have lowered his goal output. I agree with what you’re saying though.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

No one is saying they should have kept him, but they SHOULD have traded him for a first round pick and either Richard Cole or Ryan Lonie.

Even if neither of those guys really ended up setting the world on fire in their careers, that was a fair price, and acting like they were standing their ground by losing him for nothing was idiotic on their part.

Well short term they won the premiership while we (the team that was going to get him and he was a star) fell out of premiership contention. Call it idiotic but on field it at the very least short term didn't affect them. I get it, it should have been a net loss for them but......

Edit: like I said long term maybe it was bad. I can't remember the exact trade they wanted but it involved didak.

 

[Apex36]

Disagree they won the premiership the year after he was traded. While we fell down the ladder after not getting him. Maybe long term it was worse but short term it wasn't an issue.

I’m not sure that winning a flag the next year makes walking away from a trade for absolutely no return a good outcome. As it stood they could have won a flag after they got someone of quality in the draft. And I doubt that Nick Stevens would have prevented us from falling down the ladder at that point anyway.

 

[Apex36]

Well short term they won the premiership while we (the team that was going to get him and he was a star) fell out of premiership contention. Call it idiotic but on field it at the very least short term didn't affect them. I get it, it should have been a net loss for them but......

Edit: like I said long term maybe it was bad. I can't remember the exact trade they wanted but it involved didak.

Of course it was a net loss. The argument here was that losing Nick Stevens for nothing was a poor outcome, not whether it affected them on field short term.

Losing a quality player for nothing when you could have received a high draft pick and another player for them in return is an incredibly poor outcome regardless of how the team performs on field the next year, that’s unarguable.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Well short term they won the premiership while we (the team that was going to get him and he was a star) fell out of premiership contention. Call it idiotic but on field it at the very least didn't affect them. I get it, it should have been a net loss for them but......

Obviously they still would have won the premiership if they'd made the trade, considering that neither the first round pick or the player they received in the deal would've played.

But how did they go in 2007? How did they go in the years after 2007? In 2011 they only avoided finishing below Gold Coast in their first season on percentage alone, and they had to pull out an upset win in the final round to do it.

You can't excuse mistakes that will take years to play out because of success in year 1.

If the argument was "they never should've let Nick Stevens go" then the premiership is a fair argument to torpedo that, much like the conversation around our salary cap issues and having guys like Treloar and Grundy go was kyboshed by winning a flag in the aftermath.

But that's not the point. The point is they turned down draft capital for nothing, and then in the time that a first round pick from that draft would be entering their prime, they became one of the worst non-expansion teams in history.

 

[anshell]

Mitch Cleary reckons we'll only go with one DFA.

So in terms of Tomlinson, he won't be a factor for us unless we have a spot left over post draft.

I can’t really understand this.With Krueger and Eyre being delisted we’re going to be incredibly short on key position depth next year.God help us if anything happens to Moore next year.

 

[Jen2310]

So if we only pick up Membrey. Do we have enough list spots for the draft now, or do we need to move players to the rookie list?

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Obviously they still would have won the premiership if they'd made the trade, considering that neither the first round pick or the player they received in the deal would've played.

But how did they go in 2007? How did they go in the years after 2007? In 2011 they only avoided finishing below Gold Coast in their first season on percentage alone, and they had to pull out an upset win in the final round to do it.

You can't excuse mistakes that will take years to play out because of success in year 1.

If the argument was "they never should've let Nick Stevens go" then the premiership is a fair argument to torpedo that, much like the conversation around our salary cap issues and having guys like Treloar and Grundy go was kyboshed by winning a flag in the aftermath.

But that's not the point. The point is they turned down draft capital for nothing, and then in the time that a first round pick from that draft would be entering their prime, they became one of the worst non-expansion teams in history.

Agree with what you are saying. But there is a possibility that in an alternative universe a Pies team led by Nick Stevens wins the 2004 Grand final. Probably not but you never know.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

I can’t really understand this.With Krueger and Eyre being delisted we’re going to be incredibly short on key position depth next year.God help us if anything happens to Moore next year.

They only key position depth Kreuger and Eyre gave us was in the rehab room.

Can't provide depth when you can't get on the park.

 

[Jen2310]

I can’t really understand this.With Krueger and Eyre being delisted we’re going to be incredibly short on key position depth next year.God help us if anything happens to Moore next year.

Maybe they have confidence that Dean and frampton can come and play a role. Or maybe we can trial someone through SSP

 

[Chunky Steak]

Hi all.

Had to create an account to get something off my chest! But I have a feeling it won't be my last post.

The narrative of "risk" that's been peddled by the AFL media this week when it comes to our recruitment has been driving me up the wall. It's become patently obvious that within the sheltered workshop of the footy media there's:

1. Little to no understanding of risk identification and management.

2. A very old fashioned notion that there's anything remotely "safer" or "lower risk" in a club investing the majority of its capital in the draft, even a supposedly deep draft like this one.

Yes, we have an age profile that slants older but there are so many other factors to take into account. Experience, big game presence, cool heads under pressure. Proven ability and class. High standards and accountabilty. Leadership. Nous. These are things we have in abundance in our older players. And it wins finals.

If we're taking about risk, there is a MUCH greater risk in investing heavily in, say, pick 3 in the draft cough than there is for us in recruiting a two time (and current) AA star with one of the best kicks in the game, with big game experience and a quantifiable track record as a model professional both on and off the field. Or a DFA who kicks plenty of goals in an underwhelming side like St Kilda. That pick 3 guarantees you absolutely nothing. Zero.

And we also know there are different standards at play here. Geelong go for an injury riddled, underperforming 29 year old in Jack Martin

21

Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

as a DFA and we have to listen to the media drool over the decision. But getting a superstar in his prime like Houston, while trading away a future first that we won't use anyway is "going all in" and a "big risk".

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk and I'll make sure my next post is a bit shorter!

 

[Apex36]

Agree with what you are saying. But there is a possibility that in an alternative universe a Pies team led by Nick Stevens wins the 2004 Grand final. Probably not but you never know.

Nah we still would have tanked for picks imo.