List Mgmt. Part 3- And on it goes: The trade and draft megathread

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

So kennerley would be perfect for our game style. He is the best 2 way runner in the draft, great kick , great over head mark and and a good tackler .

We dont have much depth in outside mids .

Gaff , masten ????

 

[Pulsedriver]

So kennerley would be perfect for our game style. He is the best 2 way runner in the draft, great kick , great over head mark and and a good tackler .

We dont have much depth in outside mids .

Gaff , masten ????

With Kelly coming in, just plonk Sheed on a wing. He produced in Gaff's absence. OM depth shouldn't be a priority this year.

 

[sey666]

Forget where you put your teeth.

So both of those two posters could be BigFooty Seniors?

 

[Inside Bull]

Yeah I 100% agree with the sentiment - but the AFL make it up as they go along. If we were GC or GWS 2 things would be certain:

a. we wouldn't be having this argument as the end of 1st rnd pick would be considered a 1st rounder (or more likely, they would have received a proper first rounder through the 'formula')

b. any application for exemption would be approved straight away by the afl

But we are not - so I don't think we can rely on sensible afl rulings.

What is the go with the application of the rule anyway? It doesn't seem to apply to Geelong or Hawthorn

 

[Suma Magic]

Maybe a silly question but do we make our pick 20 and 22 selections on separate days as a result?

It says that round 2 starts on day 2. So our first rounder that isn't a first rounder will be taken on day 1.

 

[sey666]

If our end of first rounder is not considered a first rounder (or a second rounder for that matter) then does it even exist?

 

[Swarhily]

I'll eat a pastrami sandwich if Cyril ends up at West Coast.

 

[kerr87]

Where is the talk of Rioli coming from?

Didn't he say if he ever played again it would only be at the Hawks?

 

[Gravitas]

Am I reading it wrong?
You have to have used at least 2 first round picks in 4 years?

Yet Geelong will have used 1 with no pick this year and same for Collingwood (however a F&S bid counts as first round, so they are ok)

Also next year Essendon will have only used 1 in 4 years unless they trade one in?

So what am I missing?

It has taken me some time to get my head around this. Essendon took two in 2015, one in 2016 and none in 2017. Unless they use live pick trading this year they will have none in 2018. I believe the rule would apply so that for the 2019 draft, in the previous 4 years of drafting Essendon have taken 3 first round picks, thus satisfying the quota. They are thus allowed to trade their future first round selections as normal for that draft year. However, without a first round pick selected in 2019, for the 2020 draft in the previous 4 years (2016, 2017, 2018, 2019) they have only used one. They will therefore have to use a first round pick in 2020 to satisfy the quota, and again in 2021 due to 2016 being taken out of the 4 year cycle unless they select two first round picks in 2020.

This technically means that the quota is every five years. Technically Geelong would be cheating the rules, but I believe the cycle won't come into effect until the 2019 draft, which as the article states is when they will be forced to take a pick due to 2014 being their last first round pick. In this situation, they would also have to take their 2020 first round pick in addition to their 2019 first round pick in order to meet the quota, so the quota is a situation where you have to pick until you reach it. This situation of two consecutive first round picks is what Hawthorn and Melbourne may have to do, as outlined in the article they took two first round picks in the 2015 draft, so for 2019 they satisfy the quota, but if they don't take any first rounders then they will have 0 first rounders for the previous four year cycle and will be forced to use their 2020 and 2021 first round picks to get back to the quota. That is my understanding and happy to be corrected by someone who knows more.

 

[ZergMinion]

Where is the talk of Rioli coming from?

Didn't he say if he ever played again it would only be at the Hawks?

It's the silly season and most of our supporters are still drunk.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

It has taken me some time to get my head around this. Essendon took two in 2015, one in 2016 and none in 2017. Unless they use live pick trading this year they will have none in 2018. I believe the rule would apply so that for the 2019 draft, in the previous 4 years of drafting Essendon have taken 3 first round picks, thus satisfying the quota. They are thus allowed to trade their future first round selections as normal for that draft year. However, without a first round pick selected in 2019, for the 2020 draft in the previous 4 years (2016, 2017, 2018, 2019) they have only used one. They will therefore have to use a first round pick in 2020 to satisfy the quota, and again in 2021 due to 2016 being taken out of the 4 year cycle unless they select two first round picks in 2020.

This technically means that the quota is every five years. Technically Geelong would be cheating the rules, but I believe the cycle won't come into effect until the 2019 draft, which as the article states is when they will be forced to take a pick due to 2014 being their last first round pick. In this situation, they would also have to take their 2020 first round pick in addition to their 2019 first round pick in order to meet the quota, so the quota is a situation where you have to pick until you reach it. This situation of two consecutive first round picks is what Hawthorn and Melbourne may have to do, as outlined in the article they took two first round picks in the 2015 draft, so for 2019 they satisfy the quota, but if they don't take any first rounders then they will have 0 first rounders for the previous four year cycle and will be forced to use their 2020 and 2021 first round picks to get back to the quota. That is my understanding and happy to be corrected by someone who knows more.

F##k! My brain hurts!!

 

[Pulsedriver]

I'll eat a pastrami sandwich if Cyril ends up at West Coast.

I'll take to one even if he doesn't.

 

[Seadog]

I'll eat a pastrami sandwich if Cyril ends up at West Coast.

You're not George Costanzas dad are you?
Sounds like a festivus challenge.

 

[Brolga]

It has taken me some time to get my head around this. Essendon took two in 2015, one in 2016 and none in 2017. Unless they use live pick trading this year they will have none in 2018. I believe the rule would apply so that for the 2019 draft, in the previous 4 years of drafting Essendon have taken 3 first round picks, thus satisfying the quota. They are thus allowed to trade their future first round selections as normal for that draft year. However, without a first round pick selected in 2019, for the 2020 draft in the previous 4 years (2016, 2017, 2018, 2019) they have only used one. They will therefore have to use a first round pick in 2020 to satisfy the quota, and again in 2021 due to 2016 being taken out of the 4 year cycle unless they select two first round picks in 2020.

This technically means that the quota is every five years. Technically Geelong would be cheating the rules, but I believe the cycle won't come into effect until the 2019 draft, which as the article states is when they will be forced to take a pick due to 2014 being their last first round pick. In this situation, they would also have to take their 2020 first round pick in addition to their 2019 first round pick in order to meet the quota, so the quota is a situation where you have to pick until you reach it. This situation of two consecutive first round picks is what Hawthorn and Melbourne may have to do, as outlined in the article they took two first round picks in the 2015 draft, so for 2019 they satisfy the quota, but if they don't take any first rounders then they will have 0 first rounders for the previous four year cycle and will be forced to use their 2020 and 2021 first round picks to get back to the quota. That is my understanding and happy to be corrected by someone who knows more.

Ha!
Reminds me of the headmaster in The Meaning of Life...

 

[Obeanie1]

I see it differently. For me, the concern for 2019 is Hurn and Jetta. Jet's calves were fragile this year, and gave out in the GF - could have been fatal. I presume his calves will be even more shonky next season
As for Hurn, he is getting on and the game is getting quicker. He needs to shed 6-8 kilos as he doesn't have the pace to go with many of the half forward flankers nowadays - ex . Varcoe.
For me half back flankers with good kicking ability is more urgent than topping up on midfielders.
Just my take on things, as I see them running Mallen through the midfield in 2019 and then TK in 2020.

IMO we have already drafted and started to develoo Hurn and Jetta replacements so that isnt a pressing need.

We need to draft replacements for Masten, Shuey and our midfield depth in general.

Rucks I feel we will address by trading in a tip liner and supplimenting with mature age ruck /forwards.

 

[Obeanie1]

So kennerley would be perfect for our game style. He is the best 2 way runner in the draft, great kick , great over head mark and and a good tackler .

We dont have much depth in outside mids .

Gaff , masten ????

Sounds like a Masten replacement in two years.

This is why Id love another mid 20's pick.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Mark Hutchings has automatically triggered a 2019 extension, while Tom Cole and Tom Barrass have signed four year extension until the end of 2022.

 

[Chris_6678]

Mark Hutchings has automatically triggered a 2019 extension, while Tom Cole and Tom Barrass have signed four year extension until the end of 2022.

Surprised Hutchings didn't get a 2 year extension.

Good to see Cole and Barrass around for the long term.

 

[Patron]

Mark Hutchings has automatically triggered a 2019 extension, while Tom Cole and Tom Barrass have signed four year extension until the end of 2022.

Yeah I thought hutch had triggered a 2? Very good renewals for both cole and barrass but they probably deserve them.


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[Monocle]

Mark Hutchings has automatically triggered a 2019 extension, while Tom Cole and Tom Barrass have signed four year extension until the end of 2022.

Excellent news about the two Toms.
Hutchings good to get another years , but thought after his efforts this year he may well have got a two year extension.

 

[FKASC]

Mark Hutchings has automatically triggered a 2019 extension, while Tom Cole and Tom Barrass have signed four year extension until the end of 2022.

**** yeah, Cole here til 2022. Was worried he’d be targeted by Vics

 

[Forward Press]

And to think Tom Cole was considered marginal best 22 and behind Jackson Nelson not that long ago. Barrass also probably felt he would forever be third in the pecking order behind Mackenzie and Sheppard. Things can change very quickly in less than a season.

Glad to see two of our youngest defenders (and of course premiership players) commit long term.

 

[Figure09]

It's the silly season and most of our supporters are still drunk.

If we snag cyril i will never ever complain again ever

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[Miguel Sanchez]

Oh please please please let us get Cyril

 

[Forward Press]

If we snag cyril i will never ever complain again ever

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Based on your prior history, I doubt your ability to keep promises on BigFooty.