Petition/Letter to the Club demanding an external review (now with PDF link in OP)

[RichardMarx]

I did catch a few minutes of Chappy. To be fair he was pretty clear that he should have moved on by now. That the succession plan was for Bob Ford to have taken over.

FFS the derailment of this club has been well and truly contributed to by tragedy.

I've been reluctant to comment on Bob Foord because I don't want it to be in bad taste. But if he was appointed chairman, it would have done absolutely nothing to change the culture of the club. He was best mates with Chapman & guys like Peter Hurley - it would have been another case of "jobs for the boys".

 

[Punchy Bassett]

I've been reluctant to comment on Bob Foord because I don't want it to be in bad taste. But if he was appointed chairman, it would have done absolutely nothing to change the culture of the club. He was best mates with Chapman & guys like Peter Hurley - it would have been another case of "jobs for the boys".

That's not a shock Chapman should have no say in who replaces him

 

[The Karma Bus]

This attitude that developed and festered under Trigg is "pathetic". It has stayed and spread across the place. The attitude of how dare our members question us, how dare they challenge us, how they dare they offend and insult us. It comes out every time. Stfu and listen to what your base is telling you, Rowe told you yesterday you need to do that and you're not. And you fight him on it. Best interests of the club at heart? Club is bigger than any individual?

Stop trying to play the guilt game on the people that support your club and make it possible for the place to exist. It's also more of the "you're not backing your boys in" guilt like they're trying to now make people feel over Roo.

Even if they didn't deliberately handbout jobs to mates, they went for the easy options, someone they knew, did their "due diligence" which was always going to be biased and end up in one decision. And once someone is the "best person for the job" down there, they are now the best person for that job, forever. How can they not be, we hired them because they were that? Then Chapman says comments like "the competition has improved/passed us".. Einstein here.

 

[Slippery Pete]

It's a start - how else can we make it known to the club that we won't accept this mediocrity any longer? Please click the link at the bottom of this post and sign on to the letter/petition we will send to the club (if we get a meaningful amount of sigs). Please also share the link on your socials. Let's agitate.

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Crows Members, Fans and Supporters, surely you agree that enough is enough. We have an Administration which is completely arrogant, dismissive and insular and more concerned with the bottom line than actually winning premierships. Premierships is what it’s all about. Please support our call for an independant review of the club board, administration and football operations.

Dear Robert, Andrew and Mark,

We love the Adelaide Football Club. But we have had enough. You promised us authenticity, transparency and no spin. But we don’t feel you’ve delivered. We feel disenchanted, alienated and frustrated at the lack of accountability at the club. We have lost draft picks and gun players during your time at the club. We have seen coaches come and go. Camps and power stances. But the people behind the scenes are still there. The people responsible for these poor decisions and poor performances are still there. You are still there.

This is not about the financial performance of the club. This is about Premierships. We are a financial powerhouse, yet the mismanagement of the football operations of the club has left us nowhere near a premiership. It’s been 21 years. Do you really want to be that club? We, the supporters, don’t. We are a proud, parochial supporter base. There is none more passionate in the entire league. But why should we continue to be engaged and enthusiastic about the club when the club itself is more interested in our money than delivering a strong, successful football club?

We want action. We want change. We want you to be honest with yourselves and us.

We demand an open, honest and transparent review of the club. From the Board to the Boot Studder. We want this review conducted by respected football people with no connection with the club. And we want to be informed about it’s findings, and the plan to implement the recommendations.

This is the fans and supporters of the Adelaide Football Club demanding a man conversation with those who are honoured with the stewardship of this club at this time. Please listen.
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Sign the petition

When Nikki Noo Poo Poo likes this, you know the AFC is completely and utterly ****ed.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Fagan on ABC Adelaide now, David Bevan and Ali Clarke (surprisingly) getting into him...

David: Asked what's the main issue, confidence or cultural?
AF: Not a cultural issue at all (read: clubs fault) its a confidence issue (read: players fault)

David: Why is AFC an average team? 8th in an 18 team comp is the definition of average.
AF: Well that's your interpretation David.
David: No, that's maths.

Ali: Do the supporters have a perception problem? Re culture, jobs for the boys.
AF: At times, yes. Lots of opinions and assumptions get thrown around, they're not necessarily correct.

Ali: re "the elephant in the room" - in regards to mates Mark Ricciuto / Brett Burton / Hass / Justin Reid / etc - How do you ensure those relationships don't affect the best appointment to positions, high performance decisions, etc?
AF: That's just insulting, Ali. You know Roo would never put mates ahead of the club.

David: referencing KT's Port letter - Which bit have you got wrong? As in, what has Fagan himself got wrong.
AF: We're only talking about a bad month of football.
David: *incredulous* do you think that's what we're talking about?

David: Will there be an independent external review this year?
AF: We do a review every year, some part of which are external (cited high performance review last year) and we'll see how this year goes before we determine what kind of review we'll do his year.

Wow. The stuff the “mob” has been asking on Big Footy for the best part of a decade is finally going mainstream.

Any apologies anyone?

 

[Kickin Goals]

How many signatures is it up to?

 

[ContrarianCrow]

Fagan on ABC Adelaide now, David Bevan and Ali Clarke (surprisingly) getting into him...

David: Asked what's the main issue, confidence or cultural?
AF: Not a cultural issue at all (read: clubs fault) its a confidence issue (read: players fault)

David: Why is AFC an average team? 8th in an 18 team comp is the definition of average.
AF: Well that's your interpretation David.
David: No, that's maths.

Ali: Do the supporters have a perception problem? Re culture, jobs for the boys.
AF: At times, yes. Lots of opinions and assumptions get thrown around, they're not necessarily correct.

Ali: re "the elephant in the room" - in regards to mates Mark Ricciuto / Brett Burton / Hass / Justin Reid / etc - How do you ensure those relationships don't affect the best appointment to positions, high performance decisions, etc?
AF: That's just insulting, Ali. You know Roo would never put mates ahead of the club.

David: referencing KT's Port letter - Which bit have you got wrong? As in, what has Fagan himself got wrong.
AF: We're only talking about a bad month of football.
David: *incredulous* do you think that's what we're talking about?

David: Will there be an independent external review this year?
AF: We do a review every year, some part of which are external (cited high performance review last year) and we'll see how this year goes before we determine what kind of review we'll do his year.

At least we now know where Fagan & the board get their inspiration from.

 

[feenix67]

How many signatures is it up to?

About 400

I'm going to convert it to a PDF so anyone can download a copy if they want to get signs as well and email to us to include.

I'll do it tonight after work

 

[CrowinNT]

About 400

I'm going to convert it to a PDF so anyone can download a copy if they want to get signs as well and email to us to include.

I'll do it tonight after work

Great idea I honestly thought we would have more
A lot of views though in the data

 

[CrowinNT]

Donkey Magoo
Have you let the NT Supporters group know of the petition or do you want me to.?

 

[AFC3000]

Even if we were to believe this jobs for the boys thing didn't exist when making a final decision, that Burton, for example, was the most qualified candidate for the job at the last minute, you have to question how much effort was put in to create this list of candidates and why better candidates didn't make themselves available.

Then, surely being one of the boys makes it FAR less likely for the club to even consider replacing him even if he was doing an OK job.

We know Burton and especially Hass were last-minute appointments, I can even see the club promoting them for a year because someone external would require a multi-year contract and we wanted to poach the absolute best from another club rather than commit to best external appointment at the last minute, but they are still here?

So even with 3 years to convince someone better to do the job, to wait for contracts to expire, juggling football cap budgets and all that goes into it, they are still the best that could have been available across that time?

We settle for OK, we foolishly believe we are a great club with systems and structures that can make up for OK appointments, we don't and we can't

 

[VKCrow]

About 400

I'm going to convert it to a PDF so anyone can download a copy if they want to get signs as well and email to us to include.

I'll do it tonight after work

We need at least 30k signatures

 

[kirky]

You don't get to where he is by being stupid, he knows exactly the score. And if he didn't before Rowey went after him yesterday he does now.

If you surround yourself with the right people (just as incompetent as you) you can get high in an organisation. Just need to find a sponsor and you are made.

Seen numerous incompetent senior people who become 'yes' men and don't have the guts to challenge decisions.

 

[kirky]

Even if we were to believe this jobs for the boys thing didn't exist when making a final decision, that Burton for example was the most qualified candidate for the job at the last minute, you have to question how much effort was put in to create this list of candidates and why better candidates didn't make themselves available

Surely being one of the boys makes it FAR less likely for the club to even consider replacing him even if he was doing an OK job.

We know Burton and especially Hass were last-minute appointments, I can even see the club promoting them for a year because someone external would require a multi-year contract and we wanted to poach the absolute best from another club rather than commit to best external appointment at the last minute, but they are still here? So even with 3 years to convince someone better to do the job, to wait for contracts to expire, juggling football cap budgets and all that goes into it, they are still the best that could have been available across that time?

We settle for OK, we foolishly believe we are a great club with systems and structures that can make up for OK appointments, we don't and we can't

Could well be that others know what the AFC is like and don't want a bar of it.

 

[kirky]

Tex on MMM: "You don't fall into 8th just by luck. At times we have played some really good footy!"

Helps when you play Gold Coast twice and a really banged up Richmond when they had the most of their stars out.

 

[Samcro24]

This attitude that developed and festered under Trigg is "pathetic". It has stayed and spread across the place. The attitude of how dare our members question us, how dare they challenge us, how they dare they offend and insult us. It comes out every time. Stfu and listen to what your base is telling you, Rowe told you yesterday you need to do that and you're not. And you fight him on it. Best interests of the club at heart? Club is bigger than any individual?

Stop trying to play the guilt game on the people that support your club and make it possible for the place to exist. It's also more of the "you're not backing your boys in" guilt like they're trying to now make people feel over Roo.

Even if they didn't deliberately handbout jobs to mates, they went for the easy options, someone they knew, did their "due diligence" which was always going to be biased and end up in one decision. And once someone is the "best person for the job" down there, they are now the best person for that job, forever. How can they not be, we hired them because they were that? Then Chapman says comments like "the competition has improved/passed us".. Einstein here.

Great post.

 

[Mike Smyth]

If you surround yourself with the right people (just as incompetent as you) you can get high in an organisation. Just need to find a sponsor and you are made.

Seen numerous incompetent senior people who become 'yes' men and don't have the guts to challenge decisions.

This is very true. It's rampant in organizations where senior employees are never held to account and they are not answerable to share holders - i.e. Govt, Adelaide Crows.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Fagan on ABC Adelaide now, David Bevan and Ali Clarke (surprisingly) getting into him...

David: Asked what's the main issue, confidence or cultural?
AF: Not a cultural issue at all (read: clubs fault) its a confidence issue (read: players fault)

David: Why is AFC an average team? 8th in an 18 team comp is the definition of average.
AF: Well that's your interpretation David.
David: No, that's maths.

Ali: Do the supporters have a perception problem? Re culture, jobs for the boys.
AF: At times, yes. Lots of opinions and assumptions get thrown around, they're not necessarily correct.

Ali: re "the elephant in the room" - in regards to mates Mark Ricciuto / Brett Burton / Hass / Justin Reid / etc - How do you ensure those relationships don't affect the best appointment to positions, high performance decisions, etc?
AF: That's just insulting, Ali. You know Roo would never put mates ahead of the club.

David: referencing KT's Port letter - Which bit have you got wrong? As in, what has Fagan himself got wrong.
AF: We're only talking about a bad month of football.
David: *incredulous* do you think that's what we're talking about?

David: Will there be an independent external review this year?
AF: We do a review every year, some part of which are external (cited high performance review last year) and we'll see how this year goes before we determine what kind of review we'll do his year.

Fagan's replies taken straight out of the Trigg playbook.

 

[Thetrader15]

We need at least 30k signatures

Nah, about 10k will do for a mediocre survey.

 

[mattymac]

We're killing it at e-sports though.



Right?

 

[mattymac]

You watch them hold a review but limit it's terms of reference to a specific section of the club.

E.g. PPT would be a good one because they messed that up last year but after they had to throw the budget at Saunders it will be all sweet this year.

Then they can say "we had an external review, everybody"

 

[WetCrow1991]

Does the club think if they keep saying that they have played good footy this year, it will somehow become true?

The style of play this year has been both ineffective and boring as bat shit.

 

[Cleric]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but outside groups dont do scathing reviews, it reduces repeat buisness.

 

[Johnny Rutten]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but outside groups dont do scathing reviews, it reduces repeat buisness.

Bullseye!

 

[Elite Crow]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but outside groups dont do scathing reviews, it reduces repeat buisness.

What did the review Richmond have come up with?