Pick 1 2023 Trade value - What would it take?

[bzparkes]

I don't understand it either. You're just removing pick 2 from the equation.

You didn't seem to apply the same logic to the other scenario where you acknowledge WC would jump at an offer of picks 2 and 3.

Am I going crazy?

How hard is this to understand?

WCE can pick Curtin at 1 if they want.

All they get by giving pick 1 to North for 2 is Port's first(mid teens).

They pick Curtin with 2(which they could've done with 1 anyway) and all they get in return is a shitty mid-teens pick for their troubles.

How is this so difficult for people to understand?

 

[bzparkes]

Wow.

This is the Olympics level mental gymnastics.

If North trade 2 and Port's 1st (let's say 15) to pick 1, that means they value Reid as worth pick 2 + 15. That's it, super simple.

You're conflating the option of WCE picking Curtin at 1 with the value of Reid. If WCE want to pick Curtin at 1, then they should just do it.

Saying the North trade values Reid at 15 is disingenuous at best.

I don't understand how people are so dumb that they cannot fathom that all WCE get for moving back one spot(and giving up Reid) is a pick around 15.

How do they value Reid at 2 & 15 when all they get for trading is pick 15.

Maybe you should be the one putting your brain through the ringer is you think 2 + 15 is a worth trade for pick 1.

Seriously...

 

[Farang83150]

Very much so, being belted every week would do that to them.

Seriously, your team were getting belted for years

 

[Farang83150]

If you don’t want to trade it then why linger here all day replying negatively to people suggesting scenarios?

Let us converse with those who are open to it. You saying no to everyone’s posts gets old.

You mean like so many melb supporters when Jackson was leaving?

 

[Kangas_11]

I don't understand how people are so dumb that they cannot fathom that all WCE get for moving back one spot(and giving up Reid) is a pick around 15.

How do they value Reid at 2 & 15 when all they get for trading is pick 15.

Maybe you should be the one putting your brain through the ringer is you think 2 + 15 is a worth trade for pick 1.

Seriously...

Dude, you need to relax on the insults.

You're overcomplicating this way too much. If North trade up for Reid, they don't value him at pick 15.

If anything KPD is a bigger need for North, so we'd be giving up Curtin + pick 15, which is a fair bit for us.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

You mean like so many melb supporters when Jackson was leaving?

They were dissapointed and wrong then.

Especially true now of the Reid's signature now leaking.

 

[kangaanth]

Am I going crazy?

How hard is this to understand?

WCE can pick Curtin at 1 if they want.

All they get by giving pick 1 to North for 2 is Port's first(mid teens).

They pick Curtin with 2(which they could've done with 1 anyway) and all they get in return is a shitty mid-teens pick for their troubles.

How is this so difficult for people to understand?

Is there a precedence of anyone ever giving up a first round pick to move up one spot? Kangas list management team should be sacked if they did that.

 

[bzparkes]

Dude, you need to relax on the insults.

You're overcomplicating this way too much. If North trade up for Reid, they don't value him at pick 15.

If anything KPD is a bigger need for North, so we'd be giving up Curtin + pick 15, which is a fair bit for us.

I never said North value him at 15.

I'm saying all WCE get in return for giving up Reid is 15.

How are North 'giving up' Curtin in this scenario?

They'd have pick 1 and can pick who they want.

You're not giving up on players because you pick someone else.

This part of your statement makes zero sense.

 

[bzparkes]

Is there a precedence of anyone ever giving up a first round pick to move up one spot? Kangas list management team should be sacked if they did that.

Not that I'm aware of but giving up a middling pick to gain Reid would be looked down upon.

Hawks gave up a f2 for Weddle, I think, just to move up a spot or 2.

 

[Makeshift Park]

I don't understand how people are so dumb that they cannot fathom that all WCE get for moving back one spot(and giving up Reid) is a pick around 15.

How do they value Reid at 2 & 15 when all they get for trading is pick 15.

Maybe you should be the one putting your brain through the ringer is you think 2 + 15 is a worth trade for pick 1.

Seriously...

You're working yourself up into a latter when its really rather simple: which player would be better for your club, Curtin or Reid?

If WCE want Reid the most, they just take him.

If WCE want Curtin the most, they will ask for something reasonable from North because they can. In this case, pick 16 is something reasonable.

Despite the past 184 pages of chest-beating, ambit claims, and megadeals with all the complexity of a Palestinian peace treaty, the overwhelming likelihood is that one of these two simple scenarios is what will happen.

 

[bzparkes]

You're working yourself up into a latter when its really rather simple: which player would be better for your club, Curtin or Reid?

If WCE want Reid the most, they just take him.

If WCE want Curtin the most, they will ask for something reasonable from North because they can. In this case, pick 16 is something reasonable.

Despite the past 184 pages of chest-beating, ambit claims, and megadeals with all the complexity of a Palestinian peace treaty, the overwhelming likelihood is that one of these two simple scenarios is what will happen.

WCE would want Reid over Curtin, considering Simpson's harped on about needing mods since 2020 and did this year again, only a couple of months ago.

So the question is 'if WCE rate Reid the top prospect and is their #1 preference, what would it take to convince them to give that player up and take their second preference?'

Pick 16 isn't it, considering some of the other offers bandied about.

Having said that, I highly doubt it gets traded anyway as there's been what, 3 no.1s traded century?

1 was forced by JHF(last year).

1 was traded by Freo for Crowd.

I forget the other.

History is against trading number 1.

 

[HairyO]

Am I going crazy?

How hard is this to understand?

WCE can pick Curtin at 1 if they want.

All they get by giving pick 1 to North for 2 is Port's first(mid teens).

They pick Curtin with 2(which they could've done with 1 anyway) and all they get in return is a shitty mid-teens pick for their troubles.

How is this so difficult for people to understand?

Or if WCE want Curtin they can get Curtin and also get pick 15 for nothing. A free hit.

Or combine the 15 and 19/20 and a F2 and go for GCS' pick.

Then get Curtin and a mid nearly as good as Reid.

There are heaps of options if they want Curtin but there are no options if they want Reid.

 

[bzparkes]

Or if WCE want Curtin they can get Curtin and also get pick 15 for nothing. A free hit.

Or combine the 15 and 19/20 and a F2 and go for GCS' pick.

Then get Curtin and a mid nearly as good as Reid.

There are heaps of options if they want Curtin but there are no options if they want Reid.

Who's this mid that's 'nearly as good as Reid'?

Wouldn't they be in the top 5?

O'Sullivan/Murphy not options for a defender if WCE draft Reid, or something?

 

[HairyO]

Who's this mid that's 'nearly as good as Reid'?

Wouldn't they be in the top 5?

That is where the GCS pick is, yes.

This assumes the Roos dont get 3 for McKay or any other stupid gifts from the AFL.

The biggest mystery is how GCS get all the points for potentially 3 players in the top 20, including 2 in the top 6 or 7.

 

[bzparkes]

That is where the GCS pick is, yes.

This assumes the Roos dont get 3 for McKay or any other stupid gifts from the AFL.

The biggest mystery is how GCS get all the points for potentially 3 players in the top 20, including 2 in the top 6 or 7.

Are you referring to McKercher?

Great player, bit of a different skillset to Reid though.

Who knows, maybe WCE do managed to get GC's pick and take Reid and McKercher?

 

[kangaanth]

Not that I'm aware of but giving up a middling pick to gain Reid would be looked down upon.

Hawks gave up a f2 for Weddle, I think, just to move up a spot or 2.

Please just take Curtin and another first rounder north. Ridiculous

 

[bzparkes]

Please just take Curtin and another first rounder north. Ridiculous

Yes, that's what'll happen.

And it 100% should for North. Pick up 2x first round KPPs is exactly what they should be doing.

I don't think they'll get baited into trading, as the narrative is only from a select few in the media because they, for some reason, think WCE are desperate to land Curtin, simply because he's from WA.

It just proves they have NFI of WCE's draft history, if they truly believe that...

 

[HairyO]

Are you referring to McKercher?

Great player, bit of a different skillset to Reid though.

Who knows, maybe WCE do managed to get GC's pick and take Reid and McKercher?

Or if we dont take Duursma there is a fwd who will build a tank and become a mid/fwd.

As I said, take Reid thats it. Dont take Reid and there are options which can land Curtin and another mid.

 

[WestCoast05]

I am still waiting for you to explain how you can read Harleys mind however to know he isn’t a flight risk.

If we trade pick 1 for 3 other picks well then now we've got to learn how to read 3 minds instead of just 1 before drafting ANYONE!
Wouldn't want to risk drafting a single player before reading their minds - far too risky!

Good Grief

 

[Free Agent]

I think Melbourne can put together an offer with what they have already but we would need to be able to get the GC pick ourselves.

MEL - 5, 15, 24
WCE - 1, 38

Leaves WCE with 5, 15, 19, 24, 35

WCE - 4
GC - 15, 19

Leaves WCE with 4, 5, 24, 35

I'm not sold that we would do this as we would need something to give to Hawthorn for Brockman but Melbourne can put together an offer for pick 1 that leaves us with two picks inside the top 5 without having to provide both picks themselves.

Disagree because that suggestion for pick 1 is way off.

5,15,24 for 1. Not a chance we accept that. Those later picks mean not much. Basically just saying pick 1 for pick 5.

15 and 24 doesn't value much at all when we are talking about pick 1.

 

[SumaGodCoach]

Anyone that suggests that 2 and 16 is a good offer for Harley Reid should be thread banned. It's a laughable offer that would lead to WCE hanging up the phone and blocking North's number. No one is trading down from the clear number one pick in the draft to pocket a pick in the late teens.

 

[eaglevision]

Anyone that suggests that 2 and 16 is a good offer for Harley Reid should be thread banned. It's a laughable offer that would lead to WCE hanging up the phone and blocking North's number. No one is trading down from the clear number one pick in the draft to pocket a pick in the late teens.

It’s insane. Totally insane. Your mate Suma suggested that was about right in the paper today!

 

[Mich0]

If we trade pick 1 for 3 other picks well then now we've got to learn how to read 3 minds instead of just 1 before drafting ANYONE!
Wouldn't want to risk drafting a single player before reading their minds - far too risky!

Good Grief

Or pickup WA kids like Curtin to mitigate

 

[SumaGodCoach]

It’s insane. Totally insane. Your mate Suma suggested that was about right in the paper today!

My name is SumaGodCoach, not SumaGodMediaPundit.

 

[bzparkes]

Or pickup WA kids like Curtin to mitigate

Presume Melbourne won't be targeting WA players anymore after Jackson left then?