Player Watch Pick #16 (2016) - Todd Marshall

[240volt]

Normally young forwards first year like Whitlock don’t play AFL.
Reason is most teams have better options and there not required to play.

With Marshall gone it only takes another injury to open the door for him to play if his form is good enough.

 

[PowerLil]

What an absolute waste of a footballer. All potential, but never there when it matters.

Poorly managed, poorly trained, absolutely terrible contract (5 years for a concussion threat).

Sums up the club atm.

THIS!!!

 

[Blinky Nyland]

I am very disappointed for Todd and believe he can be an outstanding player when fully fit. Apart from his vulnerability to concussion and injury in general his biggest issue has been his lack of physical impact. His injury on a positive side gives Lord a chance to step up and exert some physicality as a point of difference from Marshall, Lukosius and Georgiades who tend to lack in that department.

 

[SureBuddy]

Normally young forwards first year like Whitlock don’t play AFL.
Reason is most teams have better options and there not required to play.

With Marshall gone it only takes another injury to open the door for him to play if his form is good enough.

Not really. Still have Finlayson, Lord, Esava, 2nd ruck in Soldo / Dante who would probably all still be ahead of him in that 3rd forward role.

He is too raw and doubt he plays any games this year in the AFL.

 

[RangaInTeal]

Not really. Still have Finlayson, Lord, Esava, 2nd ruck in Soldo / Dante who would probably all still be ahead of him in that 3rd forward role.

He is too raw and doubt he plays any games this year in the AFL.

I think Whitlock would be ahead of Finlayson, Rat and the Resting rucks in terms of Forward craft. The body and strength will determine his readiness to be a viable option throughout the year.

I think we play a Resting Ruck as a Key Forward, Soldo, Visintini or Lord throughout the year, but wouldn’t be disappointed if Whitlock was given 3-12 games throughout the year. Anymore and either we are bottom 10 or he has exceeded expectations.

 

[Chrizzt]

Normally young forwards first year like Whitlock don’t play AFL.
Reason is most teams have better options and there not required to play.

Yeah not sure that's true. I'd say most first rounders in particular play year 1 unless injured (e.g. Max King and Harry McKay). Whitlock is not technically a first rounder, but probably close enough to be considered in that cohort.

Even at Port, Georgiades played 7 games year 1, Marshall only the three but that infamously included the EF.

Ben King played 14 games round 1. Max would have but was held back from ACL recovery and other injuries. Thilthorpe, Luko, Schache are others who played a substantial amount of footy in year 1.

Then you have the likes of JUH, Jackson, Cadman, Darcy, Amiss, Curnow who didn't play a huge amount but still got a few games in year 1.

 

[240volt]

Not really. Still have Finlayson, Lord, Esava, 2nd ruck in Soldo / Dante who would probably all still be ahead of him in that 3rd forward role.

He is too raw and doubt he plays any games this year in the AFL.

Let’s be serious, Finn is very hit and miss and his form last year was crap.
Lord struggled in the Magpies to make an impact.
Esava doesn’t kick goals, we have had enough of forwards that don’t kick goals.
He had one good game but then struggled to hit the scoreboard.
Soldo and Dante are not forwards.
The old put a ruckman up forward because we have nobody else bullshit.
All of the above on last years form are ruckman or SANFL forwards.

 

[raptalia]

Todd's injury might have a silver lining as it may allow him time out to enure that he overcomes his concussion issues if that is possible.

This should open the door for Ollie Lord provided he is up to it. I have my doubts but Lord is surely the next cab off the rank.

The injury is bad luck for Todd but I do not think this injury is going to affect our chances as we are not likely to go anywhere near top four and will struggle to make the eight. A shit start to what is likely to be a shit season.

 

[JimmyBC]

Let’s be serious, Finn is very hit and miss and his form last year was crap.
Lord struggled in the Magpies to make an impact.
Esava doesn’t kick goals, we have had enough of forwards that don’t kick goals.
He had one good game but then struggled to hit the scoreboard.
Soldo and Dante are not forwards.
The old put a ruckman up forward because we have nobody else bullshit.
All of the above on last years form are ruckman or SANFL forwards.

Yea resting a ruck in a forward pocket for five minutes while they receive a chop out is an entirely different thing to playing them as a starting forward, they'd get run off at will.

 

[RangaInTeal]

Let’s be serious, Finn is very hit and miss and his form last year was crap.
Lord struggled in the Magpies to make an impact.
Esava doesn’t kick goals, we have had enough of forwards that don’t kick goals.
He had one good game but then struggled to hit the scoreboard.
Soldo and Dante are not forwards.
The old put a ruckman up forward because we have nobody else bullshit.
All of the above on last years form are ruckman or SANFL forwards.

I wouldn’t be using the SANFL as the best basis to judge Young Key forwards ability or form, especially in a team where is was apparent the umpiring was skewed to favour the result determined by the powers that be 3 weeks ago. That’s if you look past the Div 4 quality midfield we had delivering him the footy, if they could break past the centre square…

 

[backtozero]

It's disappointing for Todd, but the guy is one light-to-medium head knock away from retirement. I'm kind of surprised that time hasn't been called on his career already for his own health and safety.
Then again, we've seen our lack of professionalism in this space before.

Anyone thinking you can just have a bit more time off and return without issues is probably being overly optimistic.

 

[240volt]

I wouldn’t be using the SANFL as the best basis to judge Young Key forwards ability or form, especially in a team where is was apparent the umpiring was skewed to favour the result determined by the powers that be 3 weeks ago. That’s if you look past the Div 4 quality midfield we had delivering him the footy, if they could break past the centre square…

Well until we get a VFL side the only competition they have to play in is the SANFL.
I don’t like it anymore than you do.
Playing Soldo and Dante as forwards is something you’d expect from Hinkley.

 

[snozulu]

I wonder if that gives us a chance at another SSP selection

 

[RangaInTeal]

Well until we get a VFL side the only competition they have to play in is the SANFL.
I don’t like it anymore than you do.
Playing Soldo and Dante as forwards is something you’d expect from Hinkley.

Personally I’m in the play Visintini or Soldo as a Forward camp myself.

 

[Windy Cindy]

Let’s be serious, Finn is very hit and miss and his form last year was crap.
Lord struggled in the Magpies to make an impact.
Esava doesn’t kick goals, we have had enough of forwards that don’t kick goals.
He had one good game but then struggled to hit the scoreboard.
Soldo and Dante are not forwards.
The old put a ruckman up forward because we have nobody else bullshit.
All of the above on last years form are ruckman or SANFL forwards.

It’s up to our coaches to come up with an alternate game plan, use a forward line similiar to hawthorns, 2 talls and 4 mediums/smalls..

Massive change from bomb it on somebodies head, we need to use the mobility of our forward line.. MG, luko, SPP, rioli, finalyson, Berry.. chuck in one of the mids for a spell.

Not sure our coaching staff is smart enough to change anything, will probably be a bomb it on esvas head.

 

[Windy Cindy]

Personally I’m in the play Visintini or Soldo as a Forward camp myself.

Soldos no good, once the ball hits the ground he’s useless.

Lord can’t jump when in ruck.

If that’s what they go with has to be Dante.. he’s mobile and aggressive..

Also **** soldo the sook..

 

[Chewy316]

It's a real shame for Todd given all he has been through over the last 12 months particularly with respect to concussion.

There is plenty of evidence however in medical literature showing significantly increased risk of ligamentous and tendon injuries in athletes who have had a concussion. Following a concussion, the body's ability to be aware of itself with respect to its surroundings (proprioception) changes, and this results in unnecessary compensatory actions which lead to these injuries. Off the top of my head there is literature showing a near 3.7 greater likelihood of an ACL tear in athletes following a concussion, and I know there's a similar number for throwing athletes (such as baseballers) requiring Tommy John surgery as well.

Given Todd's well documented recent history with concussion, I have little doubt that this will have unfortunately contributed to his latest injury.

 

[240volt]

Personally I’m in the play Visintini or Soldo as a Forward camp myself.

We are going to have to agree to disagree on that one.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Personally I’m in the play Visintini or Soldo as a Forward camp myself.

I'm fine with this if the alternative is Ratugolea. But we've got Finlayson and Lord and probably Whitlock who should be considered first.

Ratugolea just isn't an option at all, i'd rather play all smalls and grubber the ball in for every I50.

 

[El_Scorcho]

It’s up to our coaches to come up with an alternate game plan, use a forward line similiar to hawthorns, 2 talls and 4 mediums/smalls..

Massive change from bomb it on somebodies head, we need to use the mobility of our forward line.. MG, luko, SPP, rioli, finalyson, Berry.. chuck in one of the mids for a spell.

Not sure our coaching staff is smart enough to change anything, will probably be a bomb it on esvas head.

I agree, but to play small we have to completely change everything about our game plan. The high press and high volume of entries gameplan we play relies on stopping intercept marks, which is why we play the bullshit turgid stagnant forward style.

I'd absolutely love if we reverted to the 2014 era slingshot for a season. It would certainly suit our list more.

Esava was a complete and total failure in that role but I agree, I expect him to play round 1 at KPF because Ken Hinkley is a dumb campaigner.