POLL - Do you support KNEELING?

[Demonic Ascent]

One should never impose ones will, upon another.

Not to children and not to adults.

That's exactly what those kneeling were trying to get across.

 

[Xtreme]

If its so pointless then why the outrage of doing it? If it has no negative or positive impact that makes it a neutral act and that shouldnt upset anyone.

Yet here we are.

The act of kneeling achieves nothing, if they are so serious about the cause................ donate money to a cause that won't be swallowed by "admin fees" (LOL) or lobby the government agencies to make a change.

Kneeling is a bunch of hot air and achieves nothing

 

[Scotland]

No, because:

No it's just a bunch of white mostly privately educated millionaires virtue signalling.

Also since we don't play the national anthem before each game and the stadiums are empty it is a bit manufactured.

That being said it's not disrupting anything and it's better than looking at giant Coles banners in the stands so who cares?

 

[campbell]

Remarkable how many sheep get their cues from America

I don’t.

I agree with us respecting our players right to protest and support each other.

 

[iBeng]

The act of kneeling achieves nothing, if they are so serious about the cause................ donate money to a cause that won't be swallowed by "admin fees" (LOL) or lobby the government agencies to make a change.

Kneeling is a bunch of hot air and achieves nothing

Well now you are just assuming none of them have done this.

At the end of the day if you are letting these guys kneel ruin your time watching football then your priorities are of a concern.

 

[HaroLad]

We are seeing how many of the no voters can look at this from different perspectives rather than just "LET US JUST SEE FOOTY".

I’m looking at it from the perspective of mass lootings, beatings, lawlessness, selfishness by protesting and putting at risk the collective sacrifice of tens of millions, calling white people ‘subhuman’...

I could go on, but it’s pretty clear to anyone who’s done even a small amount of research into BLM that they are a despicable movement.

 

[iBeng]

I’m looking at it from the perspective of mass lootings, beatings, lawlessness, selfishness by protesting and putting at risk the collective sacrifice of tens of millions, calling white people ‘subhuman’...

I could go on, but it’s pretty clear to anyone who’s done even a small amount of research into BLM that they are a despicable movement.

But by your own admission none of that matters to us in Australia and nothing they are doing actually helps so them doing this has no impact, but again it has no NEGATIVE impact so WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THEM DOING IT?

Come on Haro, critical thinking, Empathy, lets work through this together!

And your BLM Narrative is fed to you by the people who literally dont want it to cause fundamental change to a corrupt system that would expose a LOT of awkward questions in America right now. Those in power dont like having checks in place to make sure they dont abuse it.

 

[kaiserchief13]

I am all for equality and not discriminating, but I don't like politics in sport so no

 

[Maddo11]

I’m looking at it from the perspective of mass lootings, beatings, lawlessness, selfishness by protesting and putting at risk the collective sacrifice of tens of millions, calling white people ‘subhuman’...

I could go on, but it’s pretty clear to anyone who’s done even a small amount of research into BLM that they are a despicable movement.

Try looking at it from a different perspective, because that perspective is a little wonky in the old equality standings.

Also, i hesitate to ask, but who the **** has been calling white people subhuman?

 

[iBeng]

I am all for equality and not discriminating, but I don't like politics in sport so no

Human rights are not about politics...

 

[chiwigi]

Why wouldn’t you?

Taking a knee to say racism is shit is literally the bare minimum.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Human rights are not about politics...

Take a knee for gender equality, take a knee for sexual orientation equality, take a knee for world poverty

There are so many issues that they could take a knee for everyone of them and still not be done by end of this season

I just don't agree with them doing it in the game, I mean it literally has no effect on stopping it occurring. If it did I'd say take a knee every week

 

[iBeng]

Honestly I didnt see it, I tuned in late.

Again: I have no issue with the players or the cause. My issue is with the AFL using it for PR.

So you think they should have cut the live feed while they did it, that would stop the PR aspect, yeah?

 

[iBeng]

Take a knee for gender equality, take a knee for sexual orientation equality, take a knee for world poverty

There are so many issues that they could take a knee for everyone of them and still not be done by end of this season

I just don't agree with them doing it in the game, I mean it literally has no effect on stopping it occurring. If it did I'd say take a knee every week

Again, you are arguing the narrative because it isnt immediately fixing the problem DONT DO IT.

But what is it doing to make the problem worse? Nothing!

So let them do what they please. Holy shit.

 

[Donakebab]

The act of kneeling achieves nothing, if they are so serious about the cause................ donate money to a cause that won't be swallowed by "admin fees" (LOL) or lobby the government agencies to make a change.

Kneeling is a bunch of hot air and achieves nothing

It keeps the focus on an issue that the nation has been silent on for far too long. Even if its a generational change, hopefully the youth that continue to see stuff like this take it in and don't grow up to be garbage human beings.

Why is it such a bad thing to want our nation to stop killing indigenous people?

 

[kaiserchief13]

Again, you are arguing the narrative because it isnt immediately fixing the problem DONT DO IT.

But what is it doing to make the problem worse? Nothing!

So let them do what they please. Holy shit.

Are you sure the players have a choice?

 

[Maddo11]

Are you sure the players have a choice?

“The players want us to understand why they have chosen to do this, tonight’s gesture is one of support, unity and respect driven by the playing group,” the statement read. “We stand in solidarity with our indigenous brothers and sisters for all people of colour. There is no place for racism. The knee is an expression of that support, we see strength in diversity, it makes us better as a football club and as a community. We will be there for each other always, especially at a time when many are impacted by what is going on around the world. We will continue to learn and walk this journey together.”

The players want us to understand why they have chosen to do this

 

[Ross]

Wouldnt mind betting that some of the people voting yes were also needlessly booing Adam Goodes.

If they were then that's a good thing. The worst thing people can do is insist on doubling down when we're shown to be wrong about something instead of admitting defeat. I didn't think Goodes deserved to be booed but I feel like I'd have voted no if the kneeling was happening back then in support of Goodes. And I'd have been wrong.

 

[iBeng]

Are you sure the players have a choice?

Again we come back to this.

YOU ARE ASSUMING THEY WERE FORCED.

You are assuming someone pulled them aside and said "IF you dont kneel, you will suffer X consequences"

And which point I assume you think the player said "Fine, Ill pretend I care about racism and take a knee."

 

[rideclutch]

Why wouldn’t you?

Taking a knee to say racism is shit is literally the bare minimum.

It's hardly a big ask, you're right - but I don't understand why the only way you are shown to hold a particular stance these days is if you show/tell everyone about it in a public way.

I wouldn't necessarily believe any player was racist for not taking a knee, but they'd almost certainly be portayed as such.

 

[kaiserchief13]

“The players want us to understand why they have chosen to do this, tonight’s gesture is one of support, unity and respect driven by the playing group,” the statement read. “We stand in solidarity with our indigenous brothers and sisters for all people of colour. There is no place for racism. The knee is an expression of that support, we see strength in diversity, it makes us better as a football club and as a community. We will be there for each other always, especially at a time when many are impacted by what is going on around the world. We will continue to learn and walk this journey together.”

The players want us to understand why they have chosen to do this

Well fair enough then

 

[kaiserchief13]

Again we come back to this.

YOU ARE ASSUMING THEY WERE FORCED.

You are assuming someone pulled them aside and said "IF you dont kneel, you will suffer X consequences"

And which point I assume you think the player said "Fine, Ill pretend I care about racism and take a knee."

What you mean again?

 

[Jimpson]

So you think they should have cut the live feed while they did it, that would stop the PR aspect, yeah?

No, the protest should have been player driven and on their accord. Not announced by the AFL in advance like it was a promotion to watch.

 

[HaroLad]

Try looking at it from a different perspective, because that perspective is a little wonky in the old equality standings.

Also, i hesitate to ask, but who the fu** has been calling white people subhuman?

The leader of the Toronto chapter.

 

[Donakebab]

It's hardly a big ask, you're right - but I don't understand why the only way you are shown to hold a particular stance these days is if you show/tell everyone about it in a public way.

I wouldn't necessarily believe any player was racist for not taking a knee, but they'd almost certainly be portayed as such.

It's almost as if sustained attention on an issue can help bring about change...