Mega Thread Port Forum 'General AFL Talk' Thread Part 19

[FishingRick04]

Derek Kickett spoke to Kevin Sheedy again eventually.

Only took 25 years.

Time heals all Wounds, or death will settle the score at some stage

 

[FishingRick04]

I booed him every time he ducked and won a free, like I boo Selwood every time he does it and no doubt there will be a lot of booing on Thursday night.

blokes that play for frees are more often the ones supporters can’t stand.

He started that sliding with the knees first that I didn’t like.

good player though

 

[edgie]

Pretty sure he stabbed Jacob Surjan with his studs one day too.

I didn't agree with much of his personal things outside football too, like discussing how much he doesn't like Australia Day after being Australian of the year, thought he was more interested in division that reconciliation, but yes, when he publicly said the booing is affecting him, anyone with a conscience had to stop doing it, and it doesn't sound like a single person did.

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[Ant Bear]

I booed Luke Shuey when he lined up for that goal.

I boo Luke Shuey when he scratches his arse.

 

[Pt Augusta Power]

I wonder if those who talk about Goodes’s views on Australia Day have actually read/listened his speech?

IMO completely acceptable comments and delivered respectfully.

 

[Windy Cindy]

He started that sliding with the knees first that I didn’t like.

good player though

One of the greats

 

[Windy Cindy]

I boo Luke Shuey when he scratches his arse.

He has such a punchable head as well

 

[chiwigi]

I wonder if those who talk about Goodes’s views on Australia Day have actually read/listened his speech?

IMO completely acceptable comments and delivered respectfully.

Of course they haven’t, they can barely read, let alone listen to someone who’s a different colour.

 

[It Just Is]

ST KILDA faces the prospect of entering Saturday's clash against Adelaide with only 25 available players and a reduced emergency list.

The Saints already have 11 players missing through injury for the match in Cairns, with Seb Ross and Tim Membrey's return home to Victoria to be with their families taking their confirmed outs to 13.

Injury crisis: Saints may struggle to name full squad of 26

St Kilda may only over 25 available players for Saturday's game against Adelaide

www.afl.com.au

A completely foreseeable consequence of reduced list sizes.

 

[Mr Experience]

The "all booers were racist" narrative I see here and elsewhere is disingenuous and often appears to be a vehicle for those who think the great unwashed are horrible boorish racists.

Goodes was an champion footballer with some flaws. Personally I didn't like his staging or his sliding in and tunneling antics and he had the whole "good bloke" thing going for most of his career that many people forget. Crucially he also had a way of alienating large sections of the public (think pointing out a 13-year-old girl as "the face of racism", the spear dance at the crowd). Shaking an imaginary spear at a crowd in particular wasn't well received and not necessary.

The booing snowballed and journalists such as Whateley and Slobbo who love an excuse to show the public their moral superiority poured fuel into the fire by reducing the reasons for booing down to a simple "you're all racists" (still happening - Peter Lalor's bait piece today was a pathetic self-righteous exercise in lecturing people about their apparent racism, stick to sports instead of mind-reading pal).

The AOTY stuff, well there was nothing offensive about the speech itself but I think many people resented him getting the award in the first place (not Adam's fault) and for choosing his AOTY speech as a soapbox for racism in Australia - there's that alienation bit again.

Personally I didn't boo Goodes and find it strange to look back on the saga, but clearly a large percentage of football fans felt strongly enough to voice their disapproval at every opportunity the only way they could publicly, doubly so when told by their "betters" that they are awful people for doing so. It all looks ugly in retrospect particularly played against today's focus on mental health but what happened happened. Let's hope it doesn't happen again.

P.S. Adam is well within his rights to decline the HoF entry but I hope he reconsiders some day as he deserves to be there.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

I dont have much time for Goodes there is something that smells victim and im not buying it. His self righteousness stinks imo.


But as Sydney Presbyterian pastor Mark Powell said in a recent Quadrant article, “Reconciliation starts with telling the truth.”
Mark has a degree in anthropology. He has studied several primary sources detailing Indigenous culture from the late 18th century, such as those summarized by noted anthropologist A.P. Elkin.
Mark says it’s difficult to see how true reconciliation can occur when falsehoods – such as claims that Aboriginal people lived in peace and harmony until the Europeans came – continue to be perpetrated.
So what were the actual beliefs and practices of Indigenous peoples living in Australia, especially since Europeans arrived?

I hated this post so much I threw my dog at my computer just so I wouldn't have to read it. This shit is as relevent to Goodes' feelings as you measuring the diameter of your arseh*le while shopping for pineapples. Ah shit that was a bad example anyway don't go top first.

 

[Established1870]

I have Nunga blood in me and most of my close mates from high school are fully or half Indigenous, including a former Port academy player and Aboriginal Program staff member who sadly passed away not long ago and the group of us who loved footy (and even ones who didn't) hated this shit the entire time and a few of us were feeling pretty uneasy about being Aboriginal in the land that's been home for thousands of years. Here's a bonafide legend of the game and a role model for a lot of people, getting booed out of the game he loves because he's black and is throwing an imaginary spear when he kicks a goal in a game of football, while guys like Alan Didak and Chad Cornes stick the finger up at oppo fans and you don't hear a whisper about it from fans of other clubs. You have campaigners like Eddie in the media comparing him to King Kong and nothing happens to him but when Goodesy pipes up you have people like Sam Newman calling him a jerk for "going about it the wrong way".

The Adam Goodes saga is just a small slice of the massive shit pie most Aboriginals get in this country every day. Shit like Changing the Date should be a non-issue but the fact shit tonnes of people get offended that Aboriginals get offended by the date of Australia Day is a massive ****ing disgrace and a pretty good indicator where this country is at.

It makes me sad that Adam isn't in the game anymore and I've seen lots of people in the footy industry saying while he was a player that he had the mind to be a great coach one day. Imagine the barriers he could've broken down as the first coach in AFL history of Aboriginal decent and imagine if he was a successful one too. That won't happen because Gill and the league were gutless pricks and didn't offer any help to Adam aside from a "don't boo please" statement and didn't even offer an apology until 3 years after he walked from the sport while the guy who racially vilified him live on radio is still the all powerful kingmaker.



There is so much more shit I want to say on this but long story short, Adam Goodes didn't deserve any of the shit he copped and what happened was a disgrace but for Aboriginal people it's sadly nothing new and for a lot of people it doesn't feel like anything meaningful will ever occur in their life time.

 

[Contested Marx]

I wonder if those who talk about Goodes’s views on Australia Day have actually read/listened his speech?

IMO completely acceptable comments and delivered respectfully.

it's actually very inoffensive

“There was a lot of anger, a lot of sorrow, for this day and very much the feeling of invasion day,” he said.

“But in the last five years, I’ve really changed my perception of what is Australia Day, of what it is to be Australian and for me, it’s about celebrating the positives, that we are still here as indigenous people, our culture is one of the longest surviving cultures in the world, over 40,000 years.

“That is something we need to celebrate and all Australians need to celebrate.

“There are people out there thinking that today is a great day for Australia — well, it is.

“It’s a day we celebrate over 225 years of European settlement and right now, that’s who we are as a nation but we also need to acknowledge our fantastic Aboriginal history of over 40,000 years and just know that some Aboriginal people out there today are feeling a little bit angry, a little bit soft in the heart today because of that, and that’s OK as well.”

 

[PAFC66]

I boo Luke Shuey when he scratches his arse.

Ive never understood booing, it's weird. Don't have the energy for it.

 

[Boxx]

I booed Dougal Howard… but that’s just because everyone else was doing it

 

[bomberclifford]

while the guy who racially vilified him live on radio is still the all powerful kingmaker.

This is the kernel of truth that needs to be leveraged.

For the good of everyone.

 

[Crocodile Dumbdee]

it's actually very inoffensive

“There was a lot of anger, a lot of sorrow, for this day and very much the feeling of invasion day,” he said.

“But in the last five years, I’ve really changed my perception of what is Australia Day, of what it is to be Australian and for me, it’s about celebrating the positives, that we are still here as indigenous people, our culture is one of the longest surviving cultures in the world, over 40,000 years.

“That is something we need to celebrate and all Australians need to celebrate.

“There are people out there thinking that today is a great day for Australia — well, it is.

“It’s a day we celebrate over 225 years of European settlement and right now, that’s who we are as a nation but we also need to acknowledge our fantastic Aboriginal history of over 40,000 years and just know that some Aboriginal people out there today are feeling a little bit angry, a little bit soft in the heart today because of that, and that’s OK as well.”

That's fantastic piece. Because it's true.

 

[Pappagallo]

Goodes brings out the latent rednecks that’s for sure.

He certainly does. The thread on the main board is a f@&king sewer.

 

[PowerBaz]

I boo Hinkley

I cuss at his Diet Coke

 

[Dalfino]

The "all booers were racist" narrative I see here and elsewhere is disingenuous and often appears to be a vehicle for those who think the great unwashed are horrible boorish racists.

Goodes was an champion footballer with some flaws. Personally I didn't like his staging or his sliding in and tunneling antics and he had the whole "good bloke" thing going for most of his career that many people forget. Crucially he also had a way of alienating large sections of the public (think pointing out a 13-year-old girl as "the face of racism", the spear dance at the crowd). Shaking an imaginary spear at a crowd in particular wasn't well received and not necessary.

The booing snowballed and journalists such as Whateley and Slobbo who love an excuse to show the public their moral superiority poured fuel into the fire by reducing the reasons for booing down to a simple "you're all racists" (still happening - Peter Lalor's bait piece today was a pathetic self-righteous exercise in lecturing people about their apparent racism, stick to sports instead of mind-reading pal).

The AOTY stuff, well there was nothing offensive about the speech itself but I think many people resented him getting the award in the first place (not Adam's fault) and for choosing his AOTY speech as a soapbox for racism in Australia - there's that alienation bit again.

Personally I didn't boo Goodes and find it strange to look back on the saga, but clearly a large percentage of football fans felt strongly enough to voice their disapproval at every opportunity the only way they could publicly, doubly so when told by their "betters" that they are awful people for doing so. It all looks ugly in retrospect particularly played against today's focus on mental health but what happened happened. Let's hope it doesn't happen again.

P.S. Adam is well within his rights to decline the HoF entry but I hope he reconsiders some day as he deserves to be there.

You're right, not all the booers were racist, but if they had any sense of awareness of the social context surrounding their booing they would've backed off the moment it started gathering steam as a racial act. They became associated and complicit with the act of booing Goodes based on his race, even if that wasn't their intention. You'd either have to be an idiot to continue booing him after knowing that fact, or just a ****ing racist.

The really sad fact is that lots of the booers were racist, and I'd even argue the majority were racist, yet they can use the "but Goodes was a sliding, diving campaigner!" narrative to hide the fact, because who the **** would say outright they were booing Goodes because he was black? The thing about actual racists is that they will find any vaguely valid excuse for vilifying someone beyond their race and run it into the ground to disguise their true beliefs on the matter.

Also, if people feel alienated by Goodes discussing racism and his indigenous culture, they are probably the ones who are part of the problem. A 13-year-old girl absolutely needs to be called out for racism because the fact that it is still showing up in our youth today is an incredibly alarming indicator on how our we are failing to educate them as a society on these issues appropriately. People getting offended at a spear dance? Give me a ****ing spell. Duursma's bow and arrow might as well be banned then. If any one of our indigenous Port players did a spear celebration I'd be cheering them on. It's a cool and unique way to celebrate your culture. If you were one of those people telling Goodes to get over the booing yet you got offended by the spear dance the hypocrisy and irony is defeaning.

The reality is that racism is deeply embedded in Australian culture, and that's a really nasty, ugly thing to look at. But you can't just turn a blind eye on it. You're alienating yourself and becoming part of problem as a bystander who could stand up against the issues at hand. One again I think you make some good and very real points, I just really heavily disagree with comparing Goodes the player to Goodes the Indigenous Rights Activist on the basis of the booing incidents.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Here's a bonafide legend of the game and a role model for a lot of people, getting booed out of the game he loves because he's black and is throwing an imaginary spear when he kicks a goal in a game of football, while guys like Alan Didak and Chad Cornes stick the finger up at oppo fans and you don't hear a whisper about it from fans of other clubs. You have campaigners like Eddie in the media comparing him to King Kong and nothing happens to him but when Goodesy pipes up you have people like Sam Newman calling him a jerk for "going about it the wrong way".

Chad Cornes copped a $3000 fine for that action.

Nathan Brown copped a $5000 fine in the same year as Chad.

Dustin Martin copped a $7500 fine for the bird flip and coke snort actions against GWS.

$7500 for Sheedy's throat slit action at West Coast's Mitchell White.

The AFL routinely fined players for making inciting/insulting actions towards the crowd/opponents.

Except for Adam Goodes. And Lewis Jetta. Who both performed actions aimed directly at opposition fans. Neither of those were actions of players simply celebrating. They were actions directly aimed at opposition fans.

If you want to have a look at the AFL for terrible treatment of a player with regards to celebrations have a look at them banning Mark Williams shot gun celebration. Something that was never actually aimed at anyone in particular, just Duursma's bow and arrow.

 

[Festerz]

Except for Adam Goodes. And Lewis Jetta. Who both performed actions aimed directly at opposition fans. Neither of those were actions of players simply celebrating. They were actions directly aimed at opposition fans.

You are either being deliberately obtuse or completely disingenuous. Goodes has made it quite clear that he was not targeting anyone with his actions - he was making a symbolic reference to his proud Indigenous heritage in the AFL's Indigenous Round. Not that it it needed explaining I would have thought, you would have had to be brain dead not to have understood that given what had happened in the minutes, days, months and years leading up to that moment.

Because there was of course a context behind the Goodes war dance. An action/response to the constant booing; of being called an ape; of being compared to King Kong; and of being harangued for daring to use his nomination as Australian of the Year to talk some honest truths about his Indigenous heritage.

Most of us understood that context, as I am sure the AFL did - to their embarrassment.

But of course there were many who chose not to. Those who feigned outrage at the symbolism of this uppity man yet again 'having a sook' as Alan Jones put it at the time. But Alan Jones was being disingenuous too of course. He knew full well what it was about and he used it to prod the unconscious racism of the boo-ers who were happy to play along with the symbolic niceties of the AFL's pre-game Indigenous Round celebrations but not the imaginary spear throwing (it was a boomerang not a spear btw) of an Indigenous Man a few minutes later. Or, as Eddie McGuire said during the commentary "We've never seen that before and I don't think we ever want to see it again to be perfectly honest, regardless of what it is"

Those that, five years later, try and push this BS line that Goodes was yet again playing the victim card and try and go on to make some sort of 'reverse racism' comparison because he was not fined by the AFL for inciting the fans like his non-Indigenous fellow players who, amongst other things, made coke sniffing actions and flipping the bird.

Give me a break.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

 

[AFC AFeederClub]

i just feel sorry for the socially engineered lemmings

 

[philreich]

Two years. One for each possession he gets per game.

Ah, but he's got so much upside - he'll be reaching his prime soon, when those 2 possessions per game will become 3.