Mega Thread Port Forum General AFL Thread Part 21

[Steve Dore]

It’s probably for international audience. I like it!

It's for the Australian TV audience.

 

[Del165198]

Look at Fagan down on the bench, involved in the game

Meanwhile sips coke Zero

 

[Alyx]

Here's a chance for...

 

[Del165198]

James Rowe has been omitted for the Adelaide v Richmond match

They dropped shoenberg as well.. probably 2 of their better players I would have thought.

Replaced them with the big guns McAdam and berry

 

[philthy05]

A few of us have been saying for years they are the GOLIATH of the AFL and therefore Oz sport.

They don't need hundreds of pokie machines and big venues to make their $$$. Their football only income is way ahead of Collingwood's, Richmond's and Hawthorn's.

If WCE ever got rid of the WAFC and flexed their muscles, they would piss off a lot of the Victorian football establishment. They actually should be hassling the AFL Commission and executives more, just as much as Collingwood and Richmond do.

They paid a licence fee of $3.8m to the WAFC in 2021 after having a holiday in 2020 and only paid $1.2m, but the first 2 years at the new Perth Stadium they pad a fee of $3.9m in 2018 and $4.0m in 2019 to the WAFC.

They used to pay a rent fee to the WAFC for Subi, about $4m a year for the last 7 or 8 years there, but they did get a clean stadium deal there and could sell 99% of the seats and 99% of the corporate inventory there.

The WA government has replaced the rent fee paid by WCE and Freo to the WAFC with approx $10m a year, but WCE paid the stadium operators $8.3m rent in 2018 and $8.5m in 2019, only $180k in 2020 but $5.4m in 2021, for an almost clean stadium deal.

They are a bit like a Euro soccer club who build and play at their own stadium and not share a government owned stadium with other clubs and generate a shit load from purley game day income, compared to the others who depend heavily on TV monies being distributed.

Ok they haven't built a $500m stadium, but they have built a $60m facility. $40mil from their own money and $20m - $10m each from the state and federal government. No other sporting club in Oz has done anything to that scale.

And after 2 covid years, at 31st October last year, they had $17mil in the bank and $51m invested in shares and other short term financial securities. That's over $120m of assets with only $20m of liabilities. Even the small clubs have at least $10m of liabilities.

west coast and Adelaide should be remembered as ****ing pansie assed softcocks who are happy to be big fish in a small pond and have eternally condemned every football fan to enjoy a compromised Mickey Mouse league.

Together both have the power to force the afl, sorry, Vfls hands into making it a truly national competition.

If either of those clubs took the lead the rest of the non-Vic clubs would fall in, bar the two expans maybe. Even half the non-vics fall in and you’ve got a tonne of bargaining power.

And together there isn’t a single reasonable demand that they could make that the vfl could deny. The vfl just would have zero power.

the afl is far too fat and bloated to even pretend that they could survive without the non-Vic clubs, even briefly.

Instead the eagles and crows have built their whole identities on them versus little brother (their mentality) and are tied up in trying to one up and be the bigger fish in their pond.

Both clubs while having some success are absolutely not seen as threats to the vfl.

And the worst of it is their fans (generalising as there must be some who aren’t happy with the status quo) enable this with their happy clapping media puppets happy to direct all the attention at the small picture while their fans eat it up.

 

[Steve Dore]

Look at Fagan down on the bench, involved in the game

Meanwhile sips coke Zero

Coaching from the bench would suit Hinkley because he is not a tactical game day coach but he's a great mate of all the players so would be able to chat with them on the bench.

 

[gtrxuone]

They dropped shoenberg as well.. probably 2 of their better players I would have thought.

Replaced them with the big guns McAdam and berry

They dropped shoenberg as well.. probably 2 of their better players I would have thought.

Replaced them with the big guns McAdam and berry

Would you straight swap Marshall for Fogarty.?

 

[edgie]

Look at Fagan down on the bench, involved in the game

Meanwhile sips coke Zero

Look at Fagan giving no shits about being on camera.

Meanwhile Ken covers face so tv can't see what he does the rare times he actually does something because not being seen on replays and footy shows reacting with emotion is more important than think anything team first

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[RussellEbertHandball]

Russell in 1989 both the WCE and the Wafl where bankrupt.And the VFL where not interested in bailing out the Eagles.
The Wafc was set up by the then Burke state government .To manage all Wa footy+ the future Wa football including the Freo Dockers,womans leagues +juniors through the Wafl zones..
I think the Eagles should continue to pay the Wafc dividend.However they may sell the WCE and Freo Licience back to the AFL
Both AFL teans are technically assets of the Wa state government through the Wafc.

I know the history re the Mitchell Inquiry leading to the establishment of WAFC in the mid 1980's, then the 5 WA football individuals putting in $1mil each to fund the WCE upfront licence fee in 1986 after the only way the VFL could get their entry secured was to change the terms of the licence fee to go from 10 yearly instalments of $400k to an upfront $4mil payment and change Fitzroy's vote to get the required majority.

I know about the failed float of the Indian Pacific Ltd, pre the stock market crash of 1987, which stuffed up the whole structure and left WCE with $13mil debt at end of 1989 season when interest rates were on the verge of hitting 22% for business loans and capped at 17% for housing loans.

I know the first 2 or 3 seasons they struggled to get big crowds, and membership numbers were relatively small, certainly nothing like the first year of the crows numbers.

I know the WAFC bought out the Indian Pacific Ltd shareholders, then issued 80 or 90 year unsecured notes face vale of $500 to approx 7,700 individuals and then WA government helped go guarantor to WAFC's $50m debt re WCE issues and to redevelop Subi, which ment they negotiated a 2nd licence for Freo so Subi would have a game every week. I know that then the Gallop government promised to pay off a third of the WAFC's debt as an election promise in the early 2000's, and did after they won the election. And I know that there is a 10 year x $10.3mil + CPI agreement between the WAFC and WA government to replace the Subi rent and catering profits lost by the move to Perth Stadium.

I get that the WAFC can be called a quango of the WA government.

If the WCE are happy paying a licence fee of several million each year to the WAFC then they can do so. Same with Freo.

I know Port supporters weren't happy paying a licence fee to the SANFL and eventually crows fans realised that after bragging how good it was that they paid the SANFL $1mil+ licence fee each year, that if they continued doing it, they were at a competitive disadvantage compared to the eastern state teams.

Whilst there is a spending cap tax, the WCE probably don't mind paying such a licence fee as they can't spend it on football stuff and they don't need to build a stadium.

Pre 2003 mining boom the WCE were at some disadvantage paying a big annual fee to the WAFC. they only made profits around $250k after paying a $1mil + licence fee. But their profits have been supercharged since then.

As I said in my post, the WCE don't really flex their muscles like the big Vic clubs do. I suspect part of the reason is because they are restricted doing so, by the WAFC whose commissioners probably feel important dealing with the AFL Commission compared to he SANFL commissioners.

Some day China might stop buying so much of WA's iron ore, gas and gold. When that happens, WCE might not be as happy to pay such a big fee to the WAFC and they will once again be like the 90's and early 00's, and be at a competitive disadvantage paying such a fee.

The AFL aren't going to waste any monies buying the WA licence fee. You could probably sell the WCE fee for $100m to $200m to private investors, depending on what the future rent deal between WAFC and the WA government is.

 

[backtozero]

Fagan - yells, screams, points

Hinkley - covers mouth with hand whilst wearing a face mask

 

[gtrxuone]

I know the history re the Mitchell Inquiry leading to the establishment of WAFC in the mid 1980's, then the 5 WA football individuals putting in $1mil each to fund the WCE upfront licence fee in 1986 after the only way the VFL could get their entry secured was to change the terms of the licence fee to go from 10 yearly instalments of $400k to an upfront $4mil payment and change Fitzroy's vote to get the required majority.

I know about the failed float of the Indian Pacific Ltd, pre the stock market crash of 1987, which stuffed up the whole structure and left WCE with $13mil debt at end of 1989 season when interest rates were on the verge of hitting 22% for business loans and capped at 17% for housing loans.

I know the first 2 or 3 seasons they struggled to get big crowds, and membership numbers were relatively small, certainly nothing like the first year of the crows numbers.

I know the WAFC bought out the Indian Pacific Ltd shareholders, then issued 80 or 90 year unsecured notes face vale of $500 to approx 7,700 individuals and then WA government helped go guarantor to WAFC's $50m debt re WCE issues and to redevelop Subi, which ment they negotiated a 2nd licence for Freo so Subi would have a game every week. I know that then the Gallop government promised to pay off a third of the WAFC's debt as an election promise in the early 2000's, and did after they won the election. And I know that there is a 10 year x $10.3mil + CPI agreement between the WAFC and WA government to replace the Subi rent and catering profits lost by the move to Perth Stadium.

I get that the WAFC can be called a quango of the WA government.

If the WCE are happy paying a licence fee of several million each year to the WAFC then they can do so. Same with Freo.

I know Port supporters weren't happy paying a licence fee to the SANFL and eventually crows fans realised that after bragging how good it was that they paid the SANFL $1mil+ licence fee each year, that if they continued doing it, they were at a competitive disadvantage compared to the eastern state teams.

Whilst there is a spending cap tax, the WCE probably don't mind paying such a licence fee as they can't spend it on football stuff and they don't need to build a stadium.

Pre 2003 mining boom the WCE were at some disadvantage paying a big annual fee to the WAFC. they only made profits around $250k after paying a $1mil + licence fee. But their profits have been supercharged since then.

As I said in my post, the WCE don't really flex their muscles like the big Vic clubs do. I suspect part of the reason is because they are restricted doing so, by the WAFC whose commissioners probably feel important dealing with the AFL Commission compared to he SANFL commissioners.

Some day China might stop buying so much of WA's iron ore, gas and gold. When that happens, WCE might not be as happy to pay such a big fee to the WAFC and they will once again be like the 90's and early 00's, and be at a competitive disadvantage paying such a fee.

The AFL aren't going to waste any monies buying the WA licence fee. You could probably sell the WCE fee for $100m to $200m to private investors, depending on what the future rent deal between WAFC and the WA government is.

Thanks Russell great summery and answer

 

[JHF1870]

I'm not usually big on in game entertainment but I'm loving individual songs for players when they kick goals.

Wonder if we could do it? when we kick straight of course. What would our songs be.

Red red wine. (Probably not overly recognizable to most people) tad cringy

 

[Steve Dore]

I'm not usually big on in game entertainment but I'm loving individual songs for players when they kick goals.

Wonder if we could do it? when we kick straight of course. What would our songs be.

Red red wine. (Probably not overly recognizable to most people) tad cringy

lol, a song by UB40. Port Adelaide supporter stereotype prevails.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

west coast and Adelaide should be remembered as ******* pansie assed softcocks who are happy to be big fish in a small pond and have eternally condemned every football fan to enjoy a compromised Mickey Mouse league.

Together both have the power to force the afl, sorry, Vfls hands into making it a truly national competition.

If either of those clubs took the lead the rest of the non-Vic clubs would fall in, bar the two expans maybe. Even half the non-vics fall in and you’ve got a tonne of bargaining power.

And together there isn’t a single reasonable demand that they could make that the vfl could deny. The vfl just would have zero power.

the afl is far too fat and bloated to even pretend that they could survive without the non-Vic clubs, even briefly.

Instead the eagles and crows have built their whole identities on them versus little brother (their mentality) and are tied up in trying to one up and be the bigger fish in their pond.

Both clubs while having some success are absolutely not seen as threats to the vfl.

And the worst of it is their fans (generalising as there must be some who aren’t happy with the status quo) enable this with their happy clapping media puppets happy to direct all the attention at the small picture while their fans eat it up.

That's BS. WA footy was dying.

WA clubs were forced to survive by selling players to Vic clubs, very similar to how mid and low level Euro soccer teams survive by selling players to the big boys.

Before the 1986 season started, the VFL engineered the ANFC to cut the minimum transfer fees between leagues from $60k to $22.5k.

The WAFC and its clubs said this will stuff us up as the WAFL footy economy was structured on each club selling 2 or 3 players each year to the VFL and getting at least the minimum transfer fee. They had to do something to survive. There was no mining boom in WA in the 1980's, they had no real manufacturing. Mining was a big industry but it wasn't a boom industry like the last 20 years has been for WA.

And WAFL never owned its own stadium and had the guarantee the SANFL had by owning Footy Park. it rented Subi and couldn't make big $$$ from it. Footy Park was the SANFL's golden goose and its 10 clubs benefitted. That's why WA had to join the VFL and SA could afford to say nah, come back when you offer us a better deal.

You are trying to apply 2022 logic and economic structures to 1986 situations, which were very different to what they are today.

 

[Capital Power]

I'm not usually big on in game entertainment but I'm loving individual songs for players when they kick goals.

Wonder if we could do it? when we kick straight of course. What would our songs be.

Red red wine. (Probably not overly recognizable to most people) tad cringy

At 0.5 at HT we could probably play "Things can only get better"

 

[philthy05]

I'm not usually big on in game entertainment but I'm loving individual songs for players when they kick goals.

Wonder if we could do it? when we kick straight of course. What would our songs be.

Red red wine. (Probably not overly recognizable to most people) tad cringy

Gimmicks are for those that doubt their product is of enough quality, or think their supporters / fans / customers are idiots

If the game is getting so boring that personalised songs in game is needed either address the issue (why is the game boring?) or pack it in.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Ken read that’s as Collingwoods 5 forwards collectively stood 200cms

Coping mechanism

 

[edgie]

Ken Hinkley would be playing something to the effect of 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

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[philthy05]

That's BS. WA footy was dying.

WA clubs were forced to survive by selling players to Vic clubs, very similar to how mid and low level Euro soccer teams survive by selling players to the big boys.

Before the 1986 season started, the VFL engineered the ANFC to cut the minimum transfer fees between leagues from $60k to $22.5k.

The WAFC and its clubs said this will stuff us up as the WAFL footy economy was structured on each club selling 2 or 3 players each year to the VFL and getting at least the minimum transfer fee. They had to do something to survive. There was no mining boom in WA in the 1980's, they had no real manufacturing. Mining was a big industry but it wasn't a boom industry like the last 20 years has been for WA.

And WAFL never owned its own stadium and had the guarantee the SANFL had by owning Footy Park. it rented Subi and couldn't make big $$$ from it. Footy Park was the SANFL's golden goose and its 10 clubs benefitted. That's why WA had to join the VFL and SA could afford to say nah, come back when you offer us a better deal.

You are trying to apply 2022 logic and economic structures to 1986 situations, which were very different to what they are today.

I’m not referring to 1986. Im saying in general, as an addition to your assertion that west coast is a powerhouse, that while they’re a financial powerhouse, they’re a cucked spineless organisation who has doomed every fan to living with the vfl cause they want to pretend they’re big boys by sitting at the child’s table boasting about wearing their big boys pants.

 

[JHF1870]

Gimmicks are for those that doubt their product is of enough quality, or think their supporters / fans / customers are idiots

If the game is getting so boring that personalised songs in game is needed either address the issue (why is the game boring?) or pack it in.

as an Xgen I find it fine. You have to cater for changing demographics and generational shifts. Remember there are a lot of kids that love to go to the footy and need to be entertained on another level.

 

[GremioPower]

It's for the Australian TV audience.

Pfffff… My hypothesis is so much better, mate!

#OverseasLivesMatter

 

[GremioPower]

as an Xgen I find it fine. You have to cater for changing demographics and generational shifts. Remember there are a lot of kids that love to go to the footy and need to be entertained on another level.

The forgotten generation!

I’ve found out I’m a “Xennial” (the last part of GenX). It’s weird, but explains why it’s easier for me to hang out with older people.

It also explains why I have a sort of generation clash with my brother, who’s only 8 years younger than me. Our experiences as adults are similar, but his childhood was actually completely different than mine.

 

[GremioPower]

Bris v Coll umpiring best described as whimsical.

Why?

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Not sure the one with shades is a player.

 

[Sneeky]

Why does Rayner still get so much hype, he's such a nothing player