Mega Thread Port Forum General AFL Thread Part 27

[philreich]

Hope we can bring the pies back to earth in 12 days, can’t get lucky all the time

I still don't think they're the team they were last year - we're a chance.

 

[edgie]

You'd half listen to it if it was coming from a Perth-based commentator. From a Melbourne-based commentator, it's genuinely laughable.

Obviously still bitter about 2004.

You'd think a guy who is a legend at a non Vic club would have a clue.

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[TeeKray]

Port and the Crows getting an extra home game is so far down the list of fixture inequalities so as to be not even worth a mention.

Aside from the MCG grand final which is the most obvious thing, the next most obvious is the fact that teams play 6 teams twice and the rest only once and it's literally stacked depending on where you finished the previous season like a handicapped race. You have one team playing West Coast twice and another playing Melbourne twice - that is an 8 point plus percentage swing and can be the difference between finishing 6th and hosting a final and finishing 12th and sacking your coach.

 

[edgie]

Port and the Crows getting an extra home game is so far down the list of fixture inequalities so as to be not even worth a mention.

Aside from the MCG grand final which is the most obvious thing, the next most obvious is the fact that teams play 6 teams twice and the rest only once and it's literally stacked depending on where you finished the previous season like a handicapped race. You have one team playing West Coast twice and another playing Melbourne twice - that is an 8 point plus percentage swing and can be the difference between finishing 6th and hosting a final and finishing 12th and sacking your coach.

Tell me more about this sacking a coach

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[240volt]

Why don't we just make Port and Crows play an away game at the oval then? Like Collingwood playing away to Essendon? We'll put on the white shorts and even it up?

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No way can’t wear white shorts, look how it’s affected the Crows.

 

[Festerz]

Yes, but in fairness I went to the Mt Barker game today which was literally just a football ground plonked in the middle of a giant paddock, so who knows how they decide these things.

Agree.

I think in drawing venues up for the first Gather Round they used the TDU as a template - which is why an Adelaide Hills venue came up. But Mount Barker Oval isn't like the main street of Stirling and so it doesn't work as a tourist attraction site.

But moving the venue to a Barossa Valley Oval like Tanunda will work because visitors can stay in any of the picturesque Barossa Valley towns and make a weekend of it giving wineries and other businesses a chance to capitalise while also being within an hour's drive of the city which is impt for broadcasters and teams.

As for alternative metro ground venues outside of Adelaide Oval, having an adjacent retail strip to provide off ground entertainment is critical, which is why Norwood Oval works and Alberton Oval doesn't.

I think Norwood retaining a game or two is a no brainer but maybe Glenelg or Prospect gets a look in next year.

Other than that I think it stays as-is in terms of game venues given how well this year went. Put some more thought into off game attractions maybe but obviously weather plays a big part in how well that works.

 

[Interstater]

Agree.

I think in drawing venues up for the first Gather Round they used the TDU as a template - which is why an Adelaide Hills venue came up. But Mount Barker Oval isn't like the main street of Stirling and so it doesn't work as a tourist attraction site.

But moving the venue to a Barossa Valley Oval like Tanunda will work because visitors can stay in any of the picturesque Barossa Valley towns and make a weekend of it giving wineries and other businesses a chance to capitalise while also being within an hour's drive of the city which is impt for broadcasters and teams.

As for alternative metro ground venues outside of Adelaide Oval, having an adjacent retail strip to provide off ground entertainment is critical, which is why Norwood Oval works and Alberton Oval doesn't.

I think Norwood retaining a game or two is a no brainer but maybe Glenelg or Prospect gets a look in next year.

Other than that I think it stays as-is in terms of game venues given how well this year went. Put some more thought into off game attractions maybe but obviously weather plays a big part in how well that works.

Is there an oval in McLaren Vale that would be suitable?

My priority list for new venues would be:

• Barossa
• Glenelg - fire up on the footy tram direct from Elder park
• McLaren Vale
• Unley

Norwood is perfect though, especially for Richmond supporters, the Parade is Chapel Street.

I'd be firing up Barossa and Glenelg in 2025, Mt Barker and Norwood losing a game each.
Gotta keep things fresh.

Prospect much lower down the list.
Wish I could sneak Clare in somehow, but the distance is against it.

You are 100% spot on re Alberton, but wouldn't you love to play Collingwood there.

 

[jac147]

How Alberton Oval might work but it will cost.
Transport to the ground is already in place to and from the city - buses up & down the Port Road and remember the Cheltenham Railway Station is only a 5 minute walk away. Easy part now the hard part
Getting 10k to 12k into ground could be accomplished by temporary type stands in the bowling green and the pocket where the old scoreboard use to be. This will be costly.
Feeding and watering the masses could also be accomplished by setting up pop-up food and drink caravans on the soccer pitch. Bars could also be there.
After the game the masses will have to be quickly dispersed back to perhaps the next game at AO.
Other problems - of course it can’t be a Port game as approx 30K Port fans will be locked out but Suns v GWS could work with interested Port supporters making up the balance.
And obvious resident complaints.
Agree with the Barossa

 

[Interstater]

Totally different topic: imagine the prelims in 2024.

We won't be there, because well we all know why.

• Giants - Kingsley - 2004 premiership player
• Gold Coast - Hardwick - 2004 premiership player
• Melbourne - Williams - 2004 premiership coach
• Voss - Carlton - ex-Port assistant and 2004 premiership opponent

Would be very interesting.

 

[Interstater]

How Alberton Oval might work but it will cost.
Transport to the ground is already in place to and from the city - buses up & down the Port Road and remember the Cheltenham Railway Station is only a 5 minute walk away. Easy part now the hard part
Getting 10k to 12k into ground could be accomplished by temporary type stands in the bowling green and the pocket where the old scoreboard use to be. This will be costly.
Feeding and watering the masses could also be accomplished by setting up pop-up food and drink caravans on the soccer pitch. Bars could also be there.
After the game the masses will have to be quickly dispersed back to perhaps the next game at AO.
Other problems - of course it can’t be a Port game as approx 30K Port fans will be locked out but Suns v GWS could work with interested Port supporters making up the balance.
And obvious resident complaints.

If only Semaphore Road was closer to Alberton Oval.

Semaphore works for me, but you would have to set up some sort of free transport between a day at Semaphore and an evening at Alberton. Big screen near the Palais, fish and chips up the street, activities for families on the beach, a concert after the game to get people back there, then really sell the Port Adelaide "vibe". Very St Kilda, thats how I'd be selling it.

But how do you move 5-10k butts between Semaphore and Alberton?
30 footy express buses on continuous loop?

A series of these?




Glenelg is so far ahead of this, but having Glenelg and Semaphore on rotation would be a good long term strategy.

Negotiate it with the SANFL as a part of keeping Port and the Crows in the sanfl
Ok now I'm digressing.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

 

[bomberclifford]

If it was just the 24-10 free kick count and the recalled mark because Kade Simpson said he touched it, it’d be genuinely sus.

Instead we also had:

• Wingard, Boak and Colquhoun all roughed up with late/high/tunnelling contact early with negligible punishment by way of warnings/50’s, which set the table for:

• Robbie Gray — 15 touches, 8 clearances and 2 goals in 45% TOG to that point — double-pinned arms double-action propelled into the ground and KO’d by Bryce Gibbs. No free kick. Remonstrating Port players told by the controlling umpire, “nothing in it”;

• Dennis Armfield plays on from advantage, and kicks a behind, and for some reason play is brought back for him to have another go as if we were suddenly transported back to 2006. And he makes no mistake;

• Lachie Henderson’s go-ahead goal comes from a mark that clearly touches the ground;

Through the most generous lens, the umpiring was all-time incompetent and tinged with bias (whether that’s specifically pro-Carlton, anti-Port, or that uniquely AFL thing where umpires will sometimes adjudicate hot favourites harder and show sympathy to underdogs).

But if it one day comes out that someone was crooked or on the take that day, I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest.

The best bit was the umpire intercept 'marking' Hartlett's kick in which then became a ball up.
Has that ever happened in any game ever?

It's also worth a timely reminder that one of the umpires that day was an ex Carlton player, Jordan Bannister.

 

[bomberclifford]

Over the years there better players could have got better money playing elsewhere but the big majority really love playing for the cats...

... and receiving lucrative real estate deals on unused land that just happened to become extremely valuable due to previously unannounced property developments.

 

[chiwigi]

Port and the Crows getting an extra home game is so far down the list of fixture inequalities so as to be not even worth a mention.

Aside from the MCG grand final which is the most obvious thing, the next most obvious is the fact that teams play 6 teams twice and the rest only once and it's literally stacked depending on where you finished the previous season like a handicapped race. You have one team playing West Coast twice and another playing Melbourne twice - that is an 8 point plus percentage swing and can be the difference between finishing 6th and hosting a final and finishing 12th and sacking your coach.

It's not even a home fixture, they made sure the crowd was as neutral as it could be with the ticketing nonsense.

 

[Marmozet]

The best bit was the umpire intercept 'marking' Hartlett's kick in which then became a ball up.
Has that ever happened in any game ever?

It's also worth a timely reminder that one of the umpires that day was an ex Carlton player, Jordan Bannister.

That was at Marvel the year after, when they beat us by 2 points with a free kick count of 26-11.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

The Barossa Valley is set to host an AFL match as part of next year’s Gather Round with the announcement of a $40 million redevelopment of a community facility.
With Gather Round locked into SA until 2026, South Australian Premier Peter Malinauskas had been vocal in his pursuit of a game in the world-famous wine region with an announcement on Monday morning confirming the vision would become a reality.

The State Government and the Barossa Council will contribute $20 million each to a full-scale redevelopment of Lyndoch Recreation Park, with support from Barossa District Football and Netball Club, to bring it up to AFL standard.

 

[bringbackbucky]

There will never be a Gather Round game at Alberton Oval.

 

[Contested Marx]

It's not even a home fixture, they made sure the crowd was as neutral as it could be with the ticketing nonsense.

I disagree to a certain degree, ticketing nonsense aside, it was a Port home game in experience

 

[bringbackbucky]

The Barossa Valley is set to host an AFL match as part of next year’s Gather Round with the announcement of a $40 million redevelopment of a community facility.
With Gather Round locked into SA until 2026, South Australian Premier Peter Malinauskas had been vocal in his pursuit of a game in the world-famous wine region with an announcement on Monday morning confirming the vision would become a reality.

The State Government and the Barossa Council will contribute $20 million each to a full-scale redevelopment of Lyndoch Recreation Park, with support from Barossa District Football and Netball Club, to bring it up to AFL standard.

Big Issue vendor in the city told me this early last week. Turns out he was on the money!

 

[Buget]

Whose wheelchair? John Cahill runs a gym at 83 and Blighty is still getting around.

And fairly sure that new invention TV would allow a selector to watch all the games. You don't have to be there in person.

That new invention called the TV in the hands of Fox and Seven will make you think that only a guy called Daicos played football.

 

[Playthekids76]

That swallowed up a fair chunk of terraced area where I used to stand at Norwood games.

Bonner's been cut in half twice in a few minutes. Don't think he's having fun.

Pretty sure he was after kicking the winning goal!! Go Saints

 

[El Zorro]

I disagree to a certain degree, ticketing nonsense aside, it was a Port home game in experience

It felt like a home final.

 

[240volt]

... and receiving lucrative real estate deals on unused land that just happened to become extremely valuable due to previously unannounced property developments.

Very true , I was more thinking about the first time I went there in the 80s, it was like everyone knew or was related to someone who was involved at the club.
I remember Cook saying when they nearly went bankrupt that a lot of the senior players took a pay cut to help the club out.
Point being when you have good management success is a lot easier to achieve.
That’s the number one problem we have now.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

https://www.barossa.sa.gov.au/community-and-wellbeing/news-and-media/latest-news/gather-round-the-barossa-major-upgrades-to-deliver-big-community-benefits

The State Government and The Barossa Council will each contribute $20 million, with support from Barossa District Football and Netball Club, cementing a partnership which will bottle a lasting legacy in the Barossa Valley region.

The Barossa Park Project will see the existing oval upgraded to meet AFL standards, and deliver a precinct fit for multiple sports at community and professional levels as well as opening up new opportunities for festivals, the arts and conferences to come to the region.

This work will include a new multi-purpose building comprising a 300-seat event space and clubrooms with commercial kitchen, multi-sport change facilities and gym.

The project also includes a mini Adelaide oval replica bar and service area to support events and the cricket club, new netball courts, a recreation green and second oval, athletics track, shelters, a new playground and family garden, more carparks and a formalised roadway.

Located only 10 minutes from the 140-room Novotel Barossa, the Barossa Park Project will provide a significant platform for new major events, festivals, national and international sporting events.

The facility will be used year-round for local community and sporting events, including by the Barossa District Football and Netball Club, Lyndoch Cricket Club, Lyndoch Tennis Club, Lyndoch Bowling Club, Little Athletics Lyndoch & Districts, and the Barossa Valley Pigeon Racing Club.