Mega Thread Port Forum General AFL Thread Part 28

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all seeing eye said:
GWS breaks coaches, something still not right with culture. All the talent in the world but so temperamental. Trendy media depts dont equal a clubs true ethos.
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They have been given the biggest leg up from the AFL of any side.
Talent they have so much they can’t fit them all in.
Like you say it’s a bit of a circus and they struggle to get bums on seats.
 
all seeing eye said:
GWS breaks coaches, something still not right with culture. All the talent in the world but so temperamental. Trendy media depts dont equal a clubs true ethos.
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If we say the crows are an artificial football club, then GWS are another level of artificiality. They lack a true footy culture. They were invented for TV eyeballs to get TV $$$. They play at a soulless stadium in front of bugger all people in a lot of average timeslots, and as we saw in that 95% empty bay behind the northern goal square for the away sides cheersquad and members, they have almost no supporters when they travel.

Thats why those dopey long term recruiters who said the GC and GWS could both win 5 flags each in a decade after 2 or 3 years in the comp are so blinkered in their thinking. They get excited about young boys like a dodgy catholic priest, and forgot about how a footy club really works.
 

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RussellEbertHandball said:
If we say the crows are an artificial football club, then GWS are another level of artificiality. They lack a true footy culture. They were invented for TV eyeballs to get TV $$$. They play at a soulless stadium in front of bugger all people in a lot of average timeslots, and as we saw in that 95% empty bay behind the northern goal square for the away sides cheersquad and members, they have almost no supporters when they travel.

Thats why those dopey long term recruiters who said the GC and GWS could both win 5 flags each in a decade after 2 or 3 years in the comp are so blinkered in their thinking. They get excited about young boys like a dodgy catholic priest, and forgot about how a footy club really works.
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It can take 20 years plus to build a solid foundation, Sydney were a circus and a joke for a longtime. You need so many stable elements in place ,from the bootstudder to the ceo to ensure repeated consistency and success which brings supporters and family links.. Thats why its sad to see us weakenng those historical foundations with indecisive leadership.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
North have officially turned the corner. From rubbish to competitive.

First 11 games, their deficit losses totalled 573 pts ie 83 goals and 75 behinds.

Last 4 weeks, beat WCE by 9 pts, lost to Collingwood by 1 point after a scintillating first half, lost to Melbourne by 3 pts and today lost to Bulldogs by 17pts.

All those high draft picks are starting to click.
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The loss of Wardlaw to a training run concussion was a bit too much to deal with, we adjusted as best we could and did okay with the contested ball but had a lot of problems with stoppages/clearances.. But overall the pressure has been a lot better after the bye, it makes it much easier to defend and be competitive when there is some pressure on the opposition.
 
all seeing eye said:
It can take 20 years plus to build a solid foundation, Sydney were a circus and a joke for a longtime. You need so many stable elements in place ,from the bootstudder to the ceo to ensure repeated consistency and success which brings supporters and family links.. Thats why its sad to see us weakenng those historical foundations with indecisive leadership.
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Yeah you need the right culture, the right people and the right level of sporting elitism if you are going to play in Australia's #1 sport and succeed.

East Perth, who in 1980 put a proposal to VFL to expand, with 2 teams from WA joining, and the VFL sent back their document to them, arrogantly unread, or Norwood, would have won flags by now if they entered instead of GC and GWS in 2011 and 2012 respectively and had the same access to continuous talent concessions they have received.

I moved permanently to Sydney in May 1992 after travelling there several times from late 1991 applying for jobs. I arrived on a Tuesday, my stuff on a Wednesday and On Sunday I went and watched the Swans play the that arvo against Richmond, they were 3-1-3 before that game, and they lost that game which was the start of 26 losses in a row, and a 2 wins and 40 losses record until Rd 7 1994.

Things started to change when the AFL got Barassi to coach them - on and off the field. Barassi's first night as coach got all the swans staff to line up on the oval and got the players to go up and introduce themselves to every staff member. He said you have to know these people because they help make this club. He wanted an after match social function. The SCG Trust were arseholes and said no, so in 1994 they hosted post game functions at the Bowling Club on the other side of ANZAC Parade from the SCG, maybe a 500m walk, and it was packed every game. The SCG Trust saw how well the Bowling Club was doing out of it, that they gave the Swans a function room in the old Don Bradman Stand behind the northern goals in 1995.

Barassi was Australian Football's greatest evangelist. He stayed on the board for almost 10 years after he finished up coaching after 2.5 years at the end of 1995 footy season.

The AFL headed hunted Richard Colless in late 1993 who was the first Chairman of the WA Football Commission, first chairman of WCE and along with 4 other WA footy people put up $1mil each to buy the VFL licence when the VFL changed the goalposts from $4mil in 10 years to 30 days back in October 1986. He moved to Sydney with his work mid 1993. Colless is arguably the most important football administrator since the 1986 expansion of the VFL.

Then at the start of 1995 Kelvin Templeton was appointed CEO. He was a GM of a division of what is now the Bupa Health Group and had been working in Sydney for a few years. As we saw with his recent Hall of Fame induction, Templeton is only 1 of 5 men to win the Coleman medal and Brownlow medal. He played 170 odd games and had to retire at 27. He should have been inducted into the HoF 15 or 20 years ago, was a bit forgotten, but he didn't forget what you need to do to run a football club at the national level.

Appointing Paul Kelly in January 1993 as club captain was another masterstroke. He was only 22 or 23, but was hard at it, coming from Wagga he understood the NSW and Sydney sporting culture scene. He wasn't going to run back home to Victoria or SA or WA.

Now great recruits in Roos and Lockett, the Super League War pissing off a lot of Rugby League fans and the media wanting positive news stories, business board rooms listening to the swans for the first time all helped, but the key was they got the right football people into the club to drive the future culture.

Gold Coast and GWS have not attracted the sort of people the Swans did after Peter Weinert and Mike Willesee handed back the licence to the AFL early on in the 1993 season, to set up and run their club and build a successful long term football culture.
 
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Crows have done their best to save Nicks and pissed off their supporter base. AFL is a cruel world.

I fear we will discover this today.
 

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