Agree, we seem a little unpredictable now, we have some moves. Up until 3 weeks ago I feel other teams would have seen us line up, and keep a predictable pattern throughout the game.
Preview Preliminary Final: Geelong Cats v Brisbane Lions - 7:50 PM Friday the 16th of September
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Your right he hasn't shown it as much as he could but he does have it. He was a champion school boy athlete in discus and when he first came to the club, before his shin splints, he played a practice match against the Swans at Burpengary and he put buddy Franklin on his butt a couple of times when Buddy was trying the new kid out. He does have good speed for a big bloke, well more a monster, but your right we haven't seen him really stand his ground with other monsters yet.
I'm honestly worried about Daniher. Taking away his last minute heroics over Richmond he has been relatively terrible this season. Bloke doesn't work hard enough and I'm concerned it will cost us over the course of a game against the Cats.
I'm not talking about 2 or 3 goals he may or may not pull out but the non negotiables - the tackling, the chasing, the pressure. No stupid free kicks trying to take mark of the year from 3 men deep. No dropping of the head and walking around with hands on hips after a team mate burns you or misses a kick. No more flopping for frees.
Needs to play the role in the forward line. He's not the number one big dog like he was at Dons. Non-negotiables.
This isn't a dig at Daniher but something that has been raised for a few seasons. This is the biggest game of his life. Needs to do more. Needs to lift. I'm worried.
I'm not talking about 2 or 3 goals he may or may not pull out but the non negotiables - the tackling, the chasing, the pressure. No stupid free kicks trying to take mark of the year from 3 men deep. No dropping of the head and walking around with hands on hips after a team mate burns you or misses a kick. No more flopping for frees.
Needs to play the role in the forward line. He's not the number one big dog like he was at Dons. Non-negotiables.
This isn't a dig at Daniher but something that has been raised for a few seasons. This is the biggest game of his life. Needs to do more. Needs to lift. I'm worried.
Relax people, it is just a test run.
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At least you wouldn't be bored!Don’t think my poor heart would take that much stress, if that occurred on Friday
I also thought Danniher was pretty poor against Richmond, but he still ended the game with 3 goals so you have to be pretty happy with that return when down on form.
I think we look the best when we have Danniher / Hipwood roaming from half forward with McStay / Resting Ruck playing out of FF. McStay seems willing to push people around as was evident in the last minute goal to Ah Chee in the second q last week. Pushed out May (tbh was maybe lucky is wasn't a free) then put on a great shepard for Ah Chee to get free and steady.
Will see how it plays out though.
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Our key forwards most recent games against Geelong
Daniher 5 contested marks and 3 goals
McStay 4 contested marks ans 3 goals
Hipwood 2 contested marks and 4 goals
I think our tall forwardline will be a strength this weekend
Daniher also kicked 4 against them last year
Actually hippy kicked 2 in the gabba game and 4 in the Geelong game earlier in the season last year
Daniher 5 contested marks and 3 goals
McStay 4 contested marks ans 3 goals
Hipwood 2 contested marks and 4 goals
I think our tall forwardline will be a strength this weekend
Daniher also kicked 4 against them last year
Actually hippy kicked 2 in the gabba game and 4 in the Geelong game earlier in the season last year
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Does anyone else think that Geelong are slightly overrated? Just think they've had the easiest fixture with the toughest teams being played at the Cattery.
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last year in both games we did a pretty good job playing around stewart, which is the key to cracking geelong's defence
he was absent from our game earlier in the year at goomba though
Sorry, I wish I could join in this conversation but If I do it gets censored.
Apparently, I'm being "irrational" and "negative". I thought this was a forum.
So that's it for me.
Thanks guys, I really enjoyed your views and camaraderie.
Ok we have airline flights for the Grand Final, we are in the ticket ballot and we have a hotel booking. Was a bit like herding cats to get the family together coming from Darwin, Brisbane and Sydney.
Come on boys we have done our part, now let's roll over Geelong, just 1 point will do and we will be there for you.
Come on boys we have done our part, now let's roll over Geelong, just 1 point will do and we will be there for you.
They've won 14 in a row. Clearly that's unusual.
I still don't think many think they're a shoe in against the 3 sides still in it and they were lucky to win last week.
So I don't think they're overrated at all.
Some people get overly upset with words on a screen unfortunately.... so easy to just scroll through your content if people are offended by it, or they could even put you on their ignore list.
Agree with Hippy roaming. Easily his best role.
Daniher I think is a good deep forward. On the lead he is VERY hard to outmark and often gets an arm chop panic free. And he can wrestle reasonably well. Where he seems to have been poor lately is he has not really been wrestling - just sitting behind his man and trying to take big hovers. Maybe his shoulder is too sore to wrestle? I would put it on him - we need you to either get up and lead, or wrestle and compete and get the ball to ground. Take your defender shoulder to shoulder, not from behind. If you can't physically do that we will have to play Fullarton. I am sure he will feel less sore if that question is posed!
Agree McStay is pretty good deep as well. He has become a very physical forward and does some things that don't get noticed.
I also would love move versatility between McStay and Oscar's roles. I would tell them ahead of the game - we might switch up your minutes. So the default is Oscar say 20 minutes ruck, 5 minutes rest, 5 minutes forward; McStay 20 minutes forward, 5 minutes ruck, 5 minutes rest. If we are either getting beaten in the middle of Stewart is marking everything, SWITCH their minutes. Would be a curveball for Geelong too, trying to figure out what changed, whether Oscar is injured.
This will all come out in the review when we have beaten them
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Daniher will also take their only decent key back leaving Hippy to dominate Kolo or Henry
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You could have safely just liked or loved his post to show your agreement with the views expressed.
In the meantime look for opportunities to post about about non-Joe related things or general team things etc.
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That's why I say slightly. People are (typical for us) tipping Geelong to beat us comfortably and saying the Sydney vs Collingwood game will be the close game...same as the semis...
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Cry me a river. You were borderline derailing discussions with your unreasonable bias against Joe.
It is completely healthy and normal to discuss the merits of players, but there is nothing good about being so bias to the point you can't even acknowledge when a player does good such is your disdain for them.
I defended you when you first spoke out against Daniher, but mate trust me when I say there's a line between genuine criticism and blind bias and you crossed it.
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He was one of the top forwards in the competition this year prior to his injury. From watching him live throughout the remainder of the season it is clear that the shoulders are really bad.
I don’t think it’s the best season to fully judge joes ability or output. Needs to get the body right over the off-season.
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Let Joe worry about Joe
We'll take care of the other 21
Following up the notes about Geelong being a top 3 offense and also very strong defensively, I thought it would be interesting to compare their performances at GMHBA vs the MCG:
GMHBA - 9 games (8w 1l)
For 99.4pts
Against 57pts
MCG - 6 games (5w 1l)
For 95.6pts
Against 78 pts
Probably not as definitive difference as I was expecting between the grounds, but it's obvious they are very good at shutting down the opposition more at GMHBA. They also have a tendency to pile on goals against lower rank teams with a smashing of North + West Coast in Geelong and a smashing of Essendon at the G.
In comparison we have been averaging 95.7pts since our loss to Melbourne at the G, but allowing 86.6pts against.
I am starting to expect this game to be a bit of a shootout, I think if we can put 90 points on them offensively we will manage to win.
Another big game for our forwards to convert their opportunities, so far this finals series we have had:
Hipwood 7.2
Cameron 6.2
McStay 3.1
Danniher 3.0
That is dead eye accurate stuff and a big reason why we have been so competitive.
GMHBA - 9 games (8w 1l)
For 99.4pts
Against 57pts
MCG - 6 games (5w 1l)
For 95.6pts
Against 78 pts
Probably not as definitive difference as I was expecting between the grounds, but it's obvious they are very good at shutting down the opposition more at GMHBA. They also have a tendency to pile on goals against lower rank teams with a smashing of North + West Coast in Geelong and a smashing of Essendon at the G.
In comparison we have been averaging 95.7pts since our loss to Melbourne at the G, but allowing 86.6pts against.
I am starting to expect this game to be a bit of a shootout, I think if we can put 90 points on them offensively we will manage to win.
Another big game for our forwards to convert their opportunities, so far this finals series we have had:
Hipwood 7.2
Cameron 6.2
McStay 3.1
Danniher 3.0
That is dead eye accurate stuff and a big reason why we have been so competitive.
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Elixuh
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Above is good for us. Their ability to stop us scoring is greatly reduced at the MCG.
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i'm interested in the above statement.
TDK, the kid their only key back or are you talking about Stewart ?
Maybe Blicavs plays on Joe, allows TDK to play on Hippy, One of Henry or Koli to play on Mcstay, Bews goes to Charlie and their best Player ( Stewart ) just zones off all night helping whoever needs it ?
Lions are in this up to their eye balls !
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