A Section Premier section 2022

[Over The Post]

WILLIAM BUCK PREMIER FINALS 2022 2nd SEMIFINAL ELSTERNWICK 2pm SAT 3/9	PRELIMINARY FINAL ELSTERNWICK 2:15pm SUN 11/9	GRAND FINAL TREVOR BARKER 2:30pm SUN 18/9
St Kevins
Collegians	Collegians	St Kevins
1st SEMIFINAL TREVOR BARKER 2:30pm SUN 4/9	vs	vs
Old Xaverians	Old Brighton	Old Brighton
Old Brighton

WILLIAM BUCK PREMIER RESERVE 2022 2nd SEMIFINAL TREVOR BARKER 12pm SUN 4/9	PRELIMINARY FINAL ELSTERNWICK 11:40am SUN 11/9	GRAND FINAL TOORAK PARK 1pm SUN 18/9
Old Xaverians
Old Melburnians	Old Melburnians	Old Xaverians
1st SEMIFINAL ELSTERNWICK 11:40am SAT 3/9	vs	vs
Old Scotch	Old Scotch	Old Scotch
St Bernards

 

[From45SlightAngle]

Hope a few heads roll tonight. UNIAFL banished to B Grade. What a delight. VAFA better nut up and follow through.

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[Over The Post]

VAFA better nut up and follow through.

 

[Dodge2]

Hope a few heads roll tonight. UNIAFL banished to B Grade. What a delight. VAFA better nut up and follow through.

45/

Loss of all points except 1 game and monetary sanctions as well. Should be relegated imo

 

[bedford]

Loss of all points except 1 game and monetary sanctions as well. Should be relegated imo

Is that official ?

 

[flat footy]

Is that official ?

Whatever happens, they will get a "suspended" sentence. Acted, but not real action action at all...they will "squib" it..

 

[From45SlightAngle]

Whatever happens, they will get a "suspended" sentence. Acted, but not real action action at all...they will "squib" it..

I'll be interested to see if the VAFA posts the findings anywhere on the website.

 

[Archangel17]

Hope a few heads roll tonight. UNIAFL banished to B Grade. What a delight. VAFA better nut up and follow through.

45/

Any news on this? To claim an RMIT University player should be 1pt because they are 'associated' is ludicrous.

 

[Dodge2]

Is that official ?

Yep. Other details come out tonight apparently. The teams they beat when using more points should receive 4pts imo.

 

[flat footy]

Any news on this? To claim an RMIT University player should be 1pt because they are 'associated' is ludicrous

Is this the policy now, or are they arguing that this is OK?
Or has nothing been released at all from their meeting at this stage?

 

[Over The Post]

Not on the VAFA website they aren't.

 

[Archangel17]

Is this the policy now, or are they arguing that this is OK?
Or has nothing been released at all from their meeting at this stage?

This is what they are arguing according to Leader Local Footy

VAFA footy podcast host Brian Waldron said the University Blues were defending the former Essendon 97-gamer, saying he should be a one-point player because he attends the “associated” RMIT University.

“I understand that the Blues’ position is that people that go to RMIT, that by association, should also be recognised as one point players to play in the university teams,” Waldron said.

“That’s their position on that, it’s not the VAFA’s position.”

While the club will allegedly defend this according to Waldron, official player point ratings show the club have rated Gleeson as a six-point player in all 11 matches this season.

The player ratings overall also show that the University Blues have been found to be over the 45-point limit in nine of 11 games this season.

 

[flat footy]

This is what they are arguing according to Leader Local Footy

VAFA footy podcast host Brian Waldron said the University Blues were defending the former Essendon 97-gamer, saying he should be a one-point player because he attends the “associated” RMIT University.

“I understand that the Blues’ position is that people that go to RMIT, that by association, should also be recognised as one point players to play in the university teams,” Waldron said.

“That’s their position on that, it’s not the VAFA’s position.”

While the club will allegedly defend this according to Waldron, official player point ratings show the club have rated Gleeson as a six-point player in all 11 matches this season.

The player ratings overall also show that the University Blues have been found to be over the 45-point limit in nine of 11 games this season.

So, is it decision time tonight or are they going to sit on their hands and hope it all "blows over"???
Am I right in saying there has been nothing from VAFA H/Q as yet??

 

[bedford]

Statement on VAFA now that the independent panel has upheld the the decision that Gleeson was 6 points

 

[10571z]

Statement on VAFA now that the independent panel has upheld the the decision that Gleeson was 6 points

How did this all come about? In other leagues the league assign the player points and you select them online. If the points are higher than the allowed you can’t submit your side.

 

[Max Leader]

How did this all come about? In Othr leagues the league assign the player points and you select them online. If the points are higher than the allowed you can’t submit your side.

Our league, clubs assign points, knowing the risks if you get it wrong.

 

[flat footy]

Our league, clubs assign points, knowing the risks if you get it wrong.

So what is the ultimate outcome then? Are only talking about these two players then??

 

[runstraight]

If you wanted to see player points before vafa hides it
Rounds 1, 2, 3 - Over
Round 4 (45/45)
Rounds 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 - Over
Round 11 (45/45)

whoopsie

 

[Max Leader]

So what is the ultimate outcome then? Are only talking about these two players then??

May see them lose all their points up until Round 11.

Will certainly put a cat amongst the pigeon.

 

[Max Leader]

If you wanted to see player points before vafa hides it
Rounds 1, 2, 3 - Over
Round 4 (45/45)
Rounds 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 - Over
Round 11 (45/45)

whoopsie

So how many games did they win when they were over.

 

[Max Leader]

So how many games did they win when they were over.

Worked it out.

Blues would be on 4 points
St.Bernard’s would be on 8 points
Trinity 12 points
Scotch 16 points
Caulfield 20 points
Collegians 20 points

 

[10571z]

Our league, clubs assign points, knowing the risks if you get it wrong.

Thanks Max Leader, I honestly was baffled at to how all this came about.

 

[RednWhite]

How did this all come about? In other leagues the league assign the player points and you select them online. If the points are higher than the allowed you can’t submit your side.

I agree with that, the VAFA should be the one allocating points. If they need to appoint an administrator to do this then so be it.

 

[Max Leader]

I agree with that, the VAFA should be the one allocating points. If they need to appoint an administrator to do this then so be it.

According VAFA rules playing over your allocated point leads to loss of points and percentage and $1,000 per player.

So Blues will cop a $8,000 fine.

 

[Over The Post]

Independent Integrity Hearing Panel upholds VAFA position on points allocation

The VAFA advises that the Independent Integrity Hearing Panel (IIHP) have determined the appeals of the points reassessment applications made by Melbourne University Football Club (MUFC) in respect of players Martin Gleeson

8

Martin Gleeson

Age

30

Ht

191cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.7

4star

MG

184.5

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

3.5

2star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

184.5

3star

D

17.0

5star

K

10.2

4star

HB

6.8

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

and Mojwok Akoch under rule 144(ii) of the 2022 VAFA Rules.

A comprehensive hearing took place over two separate hearing dates, and both parties provided detailed written submissions and witness statements to the Panel.

In making its determination, the Panel took into account numerous submissions and Rules, including the AFL Victoria Player Points System Policy October 2021 (AFL Policy).

The Panel found that:

• Player Gleeson, having played AFL football in 2021 and without being a full time student at Melbourne University or a graduated alumnus, is a 6 point player as mandated by the AFL Policy
• Player Akoch, having been a junior from a separate club (South Warnambool) in 2021, would normally be assessed as a 3-point player. However, given his youth, the two recent COVID interrupted seasons and the fact that he has moved from Melbourne for his studies, it is appropriate to assess Akoch as a 2-point player.

This decision of the IIHP follows on from the original assessment determined by the VAFA administration, and also that of the Permit Committee which twice heard and determined appeals on the reassessment of player points for Martin Gleeson

8

Martin Gleeson

Age

30

Ht

191cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.7

4star

MG

184.5

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

3.5

2star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

184.5

3star

D

17.0

5star

K

10.2

4star

HB

6.8

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

and Mojwok Akoch.

 

[smoking]

Interesting looking at results right now on website. In round 5 UB v OM it has UB as 47/45 points.