Training Preseason Training Thread - 2024/25

[Keys]

First Game - v Richmond
February 17 (Mon) at Lathlain - Time TBA

 

[amazingjoshy]

Down hill skiiers. It worries me warner is exactly another TK

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Didn't Kelly win our B&F in a spoon year?

Not sure how that's makes him a downhill skier but maybe I've got the definition wrong

 

[Astro7]

Didn't Kelly win our B&F in a spoon year?

Not sure how that's makes him a downhill skier but maybe I've got the definition wrong

Worn out from carrying us through covid and 2 years of injuries maybe?

 

[Ghossein]

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“We are a tough, fast….
creates turnovers as qui….”

Not the first team McQualter has run with this mantra - clearly it’s going to be a massive focus of his

I’m all here for it

mini bringing the gegenpress to AFL

 

[Dark Sharks]

Kelly being the best player in our teams shit show seasons, which included WAFL top ups playing for us and other non AFL quality depth we had to scrape together mind you, because he could stay on the park when others couldn't..

Doesn't excuse him for being a front runner who plays for himself and not a leaders arseh*le.

I'm trying not to be triggered, but the lack of leadership that bloke shows pisses me right off. When ever is he mentioned as a leader? Yeo is a dumb immature idiot and even that bloke has taken Harley under his wing and made to look like Miagi on field.

What's Kelly ever done? There's a reason he's not in any of our leadership groups or been voted by his peers into that position. Nobody ever mentions him. He's not a standard setter, he doesn't demand anything from teammates or is ever mentioned as that type.

Probably harsh from me, but it it's pretty bad IMO.

 

[WCErevival]

Kelly being the best player in our teams shit show seasons, which included WAFL top ups and our non AFL standard depth mind you, because he could stay on the park when others couldn't..

Doesn't excuse him for being a front runner who plays for himself and not a leaders arseh*le.

I'm trying not to be triggered, but the lack of leadership that bloke shows pisses me right off. When ever is he mentioned as a leader? Yeo is a dumb immature idiot and even that bloke has taken Harley under his wing and made to look like Miagi on field.

What's Kelly ever done? There's a reason he's not in any of our leadership groups or voted by his peers into that position. Might be harsh, but it it's pretty bad IMO.

Does it matter though? Maybe he's just happy to play his part with out being in the leadership group. It's not for everyone. He does have his kids issues to deal with outside of the game so maybe he operates better with less responsibility.

His 2024 was average but he was playing with a sore knee. His previous years were perfectly fine as far as performance goes. Not sure why he gets targeted so much.

 

[DorothyG]

While I agree in principle with what you are saying, to give Kelly some slack, not everyone has leadership aspirations or a leaders personality.
Kelly is probably one of these.

However, pretty poor for one of the senior guys to come basically dead last in the fitness test

 

[eaglevision]

Kelly being the best player in our teams shit show seasons, which included WAFL top ups playing for us and other non AFL quality depth we had to scrape together mind you, because he could stay on the park when others couldn't..

Doesn't excuse him for being a front runner who plays for himself and not a leaders arseh*le.

I'm trying not to be triggered, but the lack of leadership that bloke shows pisses me right off. When ever is he mentioned as a leader? Yeo is a dumb immature idiot and even that bloke has taken Harley under his wing and made to look like Miagi on field.

What's Kelly ever done? There's a reason he's not in any of our leadership groups or been voted by his peers into that position. Nobody ever mentions him. He's not a standard setter, he doesn't demand anything from teammates or is ever mentioned as that type.

Probably harsh from me, but it it's pretty bad IMO.

Needed to be said. Also burnt Harley regularly.

 

[KERRPOW]

Does it matter though? Maybe he's just happy to play his part with out being in the leadership group. It's not for everyone. He does have his kids issues to deal with outside of the game so maybe he operates better with less responsibility.

His 2024 was average but he was playing with a sore knee. His previous years were perfectly fine as far as performance goes. Not sure why he gets targeted so much.

FWIW, people need to let go of what we gave up for him. Not his fault he was brought in to be the icing on the cake that crumbled like a cheap suit.

Hopefully he will be played off the HFF with stints in the middle. That really seemed to be his niche.

 

[Dark Sharks]

I'm just curious about how Simpson, Vozzo and the gang saw the whole Kelly thing playing out.

Not why we targetted him and all that, it's been done to death what happened, we gambled, it backfired Yada Yada.

But more specifically how they envisioned his later years would look once Shuey, JK, Redden, Gaff etc were all gone?

I mean I always thought it was spruiked like he'd be the leader the next generation of Eagles would need and learn from. He'll guide the ship as we enter our rebuild, you know... So we're not a basket case

Clearly they saw leadership in him somewhere. Either way I'll give absolute hats off to him for at least staying fit over his 6yr tenure with us. Can't be understated when everyone else around him was falling down with our medical team

 

[FKASC]

Maybe he’s not been able to keep as fit as he’d like since the end of the season. If he’s still struggling close to round one then we can get the pitchforks out.

 

[Bender_]

I can't believe you're writing of Kelly already.

 

[KERRPOW]

I'm just curious about how Simpson, Vozzo and the gang saw the whole Kelly thing playing out.

Not why we targetted him and all that, it's been done to death what happened, we gambled, it backfired Yada Yada.

But more specifically how they envisioned his later years would look once Shuey, JK, Redden, Gaff etc were all gone?

Id say exactly the position we are in now...except atleast another premiership under the belt...**** id even accept another GF appearance lol.

 

[eaglevision]

Can say with a degree of confidence that I expect jumper numbers to be:

Baker-3
Graham-17
Allan-26
Champion-37
Davis-38

 

[mattyc75]

Geez guys if Hall can live up to that haircut we’ve really got some sort of player

Give it 3 years. He won't need a haircut. Poor young fella

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[Farang83150]

Like a breath of fresh air the insurance guy not being around.

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

When ever is he mentioned as a leader? Yeo is a dumb immature idiot and even that bloke has taken Harley under his wing and made to look like Miagi on field.

What's Kelly ever done? There's a reason he's not in any of our leadership groups or been voted by his peers into that position. Nobody ever mentions him. He's not a standard setter, he doesn't demand anything from teammates or is ever mentioned as that type.

Probably harsh from me, but it it's pretty bad IMO.

Excuse me BUSTER

 

[Farang83150]

The difference between Bailey Smith and Baker is huge. Yes Smith is much more talented, younger and has shown a higher ceiling. However he's a mercenary with major off field issues who only wanted to go to Geelong.

Baker had decided to come to West Coast however if a suitable deal couldn't be sorted and we didn't get Graham across he was happy to stay at the Tigers, at least for a year.

Did Clarke make mistakes. Yes he did, he telegraphed the commitment and made a really, really stupid comment publicly however the tigers team aren't morons and knew exactly what was going on. They held the upper hand to begin with no matter who was negotiating.

After the Hawks traded out pick 14 we were between a rock and a hard place and as I've already mentioned pick 3 was going to be split anyway. We knew Lalor was rising up the board and he was the target for pick 3. Once we knew it was at best 50/50 that neither Lalor or FOS would be available it was always going to be split.

Carlton had already talked to North as soon as they knew they were getting pick 14 for a trade up and were turned down.

Even if you look at the absolute best case scenario it would have been our second + future second. The club would have ended up with 12,14 and still picked the same 2 player as we did with 12 and 26 and likely the same trade with Port to get what ended up being pick 46.

The only thing Clarke can really be disparaged for is upsetting not only the Hawks but also the rest of the WCE team during the Hawks negotiations so that he had to be pulled from the table. We ended up with what I consider a bloody good deal out of the Hawks all things considered even if I do say so myself.

Clarke will have learnt a lot, Pyke a fair bit too. Overall mistakes were made but it was a very productive trade and draft period and the club not only ended up with everything they were chasing but also an improved draft hand for next year.

Was it the Don that dragged Clarke?

 

[Dark Sharks]

Excuse me BUSTER

I take it all back.

Kelly is the greatest leader since Hodge.

 

[bzparkes]

I take it all back.

Kelly is the greatest leader since Hodge.

That's a bit disrespectful mate.




Greatest leader since Matthews, IMO.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

So looks like Captain Duggan wont be playing back under Mini
The plan is he will be full time mid and that's where he is training

 

[Astro7]

Kelly being the best player in our teams shit show seasons, which included WAFL top ups playing for us and other non AFL quality depth we had to scrape together mind you, because he could stay on the park when others couldn't..

Doesn't excuse him for being a front runner who plays for himself and not a leaders arseh*le.

I'm trying not to be triggered, but the lack of leadership that bloke shows pisses me right off. When ever is he mentioned as a leader? Yeo is a dumb immature idiot and even that bloke has taken Harley under his wing and made to look like Miagi on field.

What's Kelly ever done? There's a reason he's not in any of our leadership groups or been voted by his peers into that position. Nobody ever mentions him. He's not a standard setter, he doesn't demand anything from teammates or is ever mentioned as that type.

Probably harsh from me, but it it's pretty bad IMO.

I get your drift, and it does seem that way with TK, but not everyone is a leader, a personality thing perhaps, bit of an introvert maybe, there's a few of them in the team.
I mean how many leaders do we need?

 

[Astro7]

So looks like Captain Duggan wont be playing back under Mini
The plan is he will be full time mid and that's where he is training

Interesting, things taking shape. Squeezing in Baker and maybe BOllen/BAllen.
Can he adjust to the fast n' furious in close mode, his kicking? Built for it.

 

[Dark Sharks]

I get your drift, and it does seem that way with TK, but not everyone is a leader, a personality thing perhaps, bit of an introvert maybe, there's a few of them in the team.
I mean how many leaders do we need?

In the midfield, I'd take just one. Which we still don't have.

Yeo is a great player, always has been, but other than his recent Harley mentorship generally he's a tone setter, not a leader. You can't be a leader when you're that brash, reckless and give away that many free kicks with stupid clanger tackles.

Short story, Yeo is a dumb dumb, whilst Kelly is non existent. Still lacking a leader in that area.

 

[Astro7]

In the midfield, I'd take just one. Which we still don't have.

Yeo is a great player, always has been, but other than his recent Harley mentorship generally he's a tone setter, not a leader. You can't be a leader when you're that brash, reckless and give away that many free kicks with stupid clanger tackles.

Short story, Yeo is a dumb dumb, whilst Kelly is non existent. Still lacking a leader in that area.

Maybe Graham will assist in that area, he's there for that reason partly, if he meets your high standards, or Duggan could be in the midfield (wasn't he a leader or a co-captain?). Maybe there'll be some overall changes yet to be revealed. Patience grasshopper.

 

[Dylan82]

What's MAS?

Maximal Aerobic Speed. The lowest velocity at which maximal oxygen uptake occurs.

In other words, it's effectively the highest speed (in this case running) at which your aerobic system can meet energy demands without relying on anaerobic processes.

Most common ways of determination are 2km time trials or 30-15 tests - sounds like the latter was used during the recent training session.

I'd argue that the 2km method provides superior results, but they take much longer to host as players need to be separated into small groups to prevent drafting from skewing the outcomes - whereas a 30-15 could do the whole team in less then 20 minutes, and the results are still very good.

For what it's worth, elite distance runners often have MAS scores in the 24-25km/h range.

J.Ingebrigtsen famously achieved a 22km/h score at 18.



It will be a baseline for akin to zone 2 or 80:20 style threshold training I would expect, but obviously in a far more sophisticated manner.