Training Preseason Training Thread - 2024/25

[Dylan82]

Excuse me BUSTER

Kelly: I'm still not handballing it to you when you're open though ok...

 

[Grahame]

Can say with a degree of confidence that I expect jumper numbers to be:

Baker-3
Graham-17
Allan-26
Champion-37
Davis-38

Is this taking the piss?

 

[eaglevision]

Is this taking the piss?

I wish it was.

 

[twce13]

Ok?

 

[Grahame]

I wish it was.

Could be worse. He could swap with Duggan.

 

[Keys]

Maximal Aerobic Speed. The lowest velocity at which maximal oxygen uptake occurs.

In other words, it's effectively the highest speed (in this case running) at which your aerobic system can meet energy demands without relying on anaerobic processes.

Most common ways of determination are 2km time trials or 30-15 tests - sounds like the latter was used during the recent training session.

I'd argue that the 2km method provides superior results, but they take much longer to host as players need to be separated into small groups to prevent drafting from skewing the outcomes - whereas a 30-15 could do the whole team in less then 20 minutes, and the results are still very good.


For what it's worth, elite distance runners often have MAS scores in the 24-25km/h range.

J.Ingebrigtsen famously achieved a 22km/h score at 18.



It will be a baseline for akin to zone 2 or 80:20 style threshold training I would expect, but obviously in a far more sophisticated manner.

There was a prerecorded voice over the loudspeaker during the test announcing the speed as it increased

From memory players started dropping at around 16km/h

Graham, Cole and Baker finished at just below or just after 18km/h

Might have that wrong as not knowing how the trial worked I didn’t really get the importance of it but those speeds were my recollection

 

[Coasters7]

mini bringing the gegenpress to AFL

Out - gimp wing
In - inverted back pocket

 

[Coasters7]

Ok?

Should we be worried that he sounds a little condescending and a bit like a high school PE teacher? Hope that’s just day 1.

 

[dinnaz]

Btw Ginbey should be every fan’s fave. Flys the flag for the young brigade and our next premiership push this far out and session after session. Stud

Slow him down before something breaks! I want him thirsty come round 1 not cooked.

 

[Seadog]

Yeah lol not the best start for his contract year. Is one of the few who doesn't come back early then is one of the worst performed in the fitness test.

Seeing as he finished last season with hip and knee injuries I'd say he hasn't done much running up till now. But by all means let's start the pile on early.

 

[Seadog]

I swear Kelly following the same demise that sheed went through a few years ago minus the injuries. With Baker/Graham in now I really don’t want him handed games if he coasts like last season. I defended his traded and I’ve defended him over the years but his lack of leadership for a 30 year old is really pissing me off. The bare minimum he can do is by plying good and setting an example but bar a couple a games a season, he mostly just coasts

Won a b+f only playing a couple of good games, they must of been some sorta games.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Won a b+f only playing a couple of good games, they must of been some sorta games.

It was the 2023 BnF where like 80% of the best 22 were injured for most of the season, so he pretty much won it by being one of the last men standing.

 

[quackish]

So looks like Captain Duggan wont be playing back under Mini
The plan is he will be full time mid and that's where he is training

Duggan as a full time mid is interesting, push Kelly out forward? Change is exciting

 

[FKASC]

Should we be worried that he sounds a little condescending and a bit like a high school PE teacher? Hope that’s just day 1.

Maybe that’s what these campaigners need

 

[We_The_West]

Maybe that’s what these campaigners need

Okay kids…. You can have results, or you can have excuses… but you can’t have both…

Which do you want?

 

[Fatty rules]

I was happy to get no3 for Judd 2007 .He was poor , carrying the pubis injury many of us had never heard of at the time in his 2007 season . I've never heard anyone complain even in the early days for the picks we recieved for him . Josh Kennedy was steak knives and I thought Carlton were generous even tho Kennedy was a raw talent i doubt many would have seen his talent as he took 5 plus years to really hit his straps.

Judd carried that painful injury in his last year with us. Yes, he had to show that he had more years in him but I've always thought he went above and beyond in his commitment to the club. Not really that keen on his missus though.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

So looks like Captain Duggan wont be playing back under Mini
The plan is he will be full time mid and that's where he is training

Good. We need experience and leadership in the midfield. Would much rather see him there than Tim Kelly.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Maximal Aerobic Speed. The lowest velocity at which maximal oxygen uptake occurs.

In other words, it's effectively the highest speed (in this case running) at which your aerobic system can meet energy demands without relying on anaerobic processes.

Most common ways of determination are 2km time trials or 30-15 tests - sounds like the latter was used during the recent training session.

I'd argue that the 2km method provides superior results, but they take much longer to host as players need to be separated into small groups to prevent drafting from skewing the outcomes - whereas a 30-15 could do the whole team in less then 20 minutes, and the results are still very good.

For what it's worth, elite distance runners often have MAS scores in the 24-25km/h range.

J.Ingebrigtsen famously achieved a 22km/h score at 18.



It will be a baseline for akin to zone 2 or 80:20 style threshold training I would expect, but obviously in a far more sophisticated manner.

The MAS is better for designing specific training programs according to cluster results. When you do the 2km time trial you have to extrapolate those results into a MAS grouping to do just that, so specificity is better by doing the MAS.

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[PremiershipNo4]

Worn out from carrying us through covid and 2 years of injuries maybe?

Yep, he’s 30 yrs old now, slowing down, injuries catching up and the end is nigh, hopefully he sees at least a small amount of success before he hangs up the boots.
On a seperate subject it’s nice to see the media focusing on something else other than Harley, hopefully that can continue during the season as other young guns step up.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

So, I've read three days of training updates and might have missed so sorry if I have, but the glaring non-elepahant in the room is the little info about Brockman. For someone who did SFA all year for us, had off field issues and cost us draft capital, I was hoping to see something like....

Wow

Brockman came top 3 in the running test.
Brockman showing some grunt in the drills
Brockman looks in great nick



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[Lyyynnnchy]

I'm just curious about how Simpson, Vozzo and the gang saw the whole Kelly thing playing out.

Not why we targetted him and all that, it's been done to death what happened, we gambled, it backfired Yada Yada.

But more specifically how they envisioned his later years would look once Shuey, JK, Redden, Gaff etc were all gone?

I mean I always thought it was spruiked like he'd be the leader the next generation of Eagles would need and learn from. He'll guide the ship as we enter our rebuild, you know... So we're not a basket case

Clearly they saw leadership in him somewhere. Either way I'll give absolute hats off to him for at least staying fit over his 6yr tenure with us. Can't be understated when everyone else around him was falling down with our medical team

I don’t know what gave you that idea. He was brought in purely to extend our premiership run, I don’t think he was ever spruiked as a leader of the sort that drags his team along with him

 

[TheBudgies]

So, I've read three days of training updates and might have missed so sorry if I have, but the glaring non-elepahant in the room is the little info about Brockman. For someone who did SFA all year for us, had off field issues and cost us draft capital, I was hoping to see something like....

Wow

Brockman came top 3 in the running test.
Brockman showing some grunt in the drills
Brockman looks in great nick



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Think he's still on light duties because of his foot.
Think we also need to be mindful that the MAS testing is often capped for individuals as they are coming back from stress injuries or for the kids. Potentially someone like Brockman might have been pulled by the S&C team after 2 laps without that being obvious.

I think he's a bust but don't think we should give too much weight to the first training session. Think some of the real sessions will start in the lead up to Christmas.

 

[We_The_West]

Think he's still on light duties because of his foot.
Think we also need to be mindful that the MAS testing is often capped for individuals as they are coming back from stress injuries or for the kids. Potentially someone like Brockman might have been pulled by the S&C team after 2 laps without that being obvious.

I think he's a bust but don't think we should give too much weight to the first training session. Think some of the real sessions will start in the lead up to Christmas.

He's got a huge amount of talent and class and WC could really do with an injection of both of those.

I hope he digs in and gets a good crack at it.

The 2025 Hawks Death Ride will be so much sweeter with Brockman on board having a career best year.

 

[DorothyG]

Think we also need to be mindful that the MAS testing is often capped for individuals

I'm no Sport Science boffin, just a hobby runner so may be incorrect here, but is the test is going to be capped at certain levels, then what is the point of doing the test for the individual. You may as well just run low intensity laps.

The test is supposed to be hard and basically an all out effort at the end. It has a purpose which is to determine a point at which you reach maximum oxygen intake, and therefore tailor a training program to suit.

If you are going to drop out at say 70%, the result is meaningless, in a SC sense.

It would be like doing a 2km benchmark time trail, but stopping at the 1.5km mark.

 

[WCErevival]

Not keen on hearing Duggan in the middle. He's never been great there. Unless they are going to use him purely as a defensive mid but I thought Graham was supposed to be that guy.