Certified Legendary Thread Q: Why did Freeman Leave St Kilda? (A: He was delisted)

[didaksrightfoot]

I think everyone wants to see him come good, unless you're a ruthless bastard.
I never wanted to trade for him, the whole thing stank. The biggest club in our country just happened to **** this 1 guy over when his hammys weren't that bad? Please. We then trade a 2nd rounder and shit, it's still happening. Seriously poor management on our behalf but obviously no-one (saints supporters) wants to face the facts it was a shit trade.

I dont think it was that bad a move from you guys (but i did underestimate where you were at as a club this year).
I don't think the 2nd round pick was overpaying... But his rumoured salary probably is.
It really is one of those high risk-high reward situations... Because we can all see that he's got potential, and hopefully sometime over the next couple of years he is able to get fit and healthy and firing on an AFL field... But there's always a chance that that just won't happen.

 

[domin8tors]

I think everyone wants to see him come good, unless you're a ruthless bastard.
I never wanted to trade for him, the whole thing stank. The biggest club in our country just happened to **** this 1 guy over when his hammys weren't that bad? Please. We then trade a 2nd rounder and shit, it's still happening. Seriously poor management on our behalf but obviously no-one (saints supporters) wants to face the facts it was a shit trade.

it's an interesting comment because a similar thing has obviously happened with Daisy Thomas. we basically told daisy and freeman that they are wanted players but given their issues we weren't offering long term and over paid contracts. you think that would have been writing on the wall for both Carlton and St.kilda. whilst I want to see Freeman do well I think that given his hamstring issues are continuing he really owes Collingwood club and supporters an apology. it's clearly his body which is just letting him down and not so much management.

 

[Apex36]

Interesting how different people have responded to your interesting post.

After hearing the audio, I can confirm it was probably the most uninteresting comment anyone has ever made about anything ever.

 

[MagpieJoel]

Wow, heads in sand well and truly occurring over on the Saints board. Take it from us Saints fans, he won't get better. It is chronic.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

After hearing the audio, I can confirm it was probably the most uninteresting comment anyone has ever made about anything ever.

That's the second time you've repeated yourself.

Who's the fisherman here?

 

[BPikkers]

I think Freeman playing any amount of games is too soon for his Hammies. Since he got to our club in October he's played 3 quarters of a development league game and has had 2 setbacks.

Mate, psychologically he is done imo. I previously used an analogy of my racehorse having a couple of early injuries where the trainer turned around and said "it's over, he will never stride out properly again. He could possibly win u some country races but that's it". I think this is going to be the issue with Freeman. His hammies are not the only problem. He won't run at full speed in fear they will tear. His asset was his speed. He won't play more than 20 games max. He will be a reasonable player in the VAFA

 

[Apex36]

That's the second time you've repeated yourself.

Who's the fisherman here?

I don't believe anything I've written was cryptic bullshit designed to get a response?

BJ's post reminded me of teenage girls on Facebook writing something like "Over it", specifically designed to get her friends to say "omg what's wrong?"

Please refrain from lumping me in the same category unless I actually make a post like that.

And if you're implying that I'm fishing for a reply from BJ himself, you'd be wrong. I'm well aware I'm on his illustrious ignore list and he'll never see my post.

 

[joop]

Mate, psychologically he is done imo. I previously used an analogy of my racehorse having a couple of early injuries where the trainer turned around and said "it's over, he will never stride out properly again. He could possibly win u some country races but that's it". I think this is going to be the issue with Freeman. His hammies are not the only problem. He won't run at full speed in fear they will tear. His asset was his speed. He won't play more than 20 games max. He will be a reasonable player in the VAFA

As an opposition supporter on your board I don't want to offend anyone but that's a poor comment. You, me or anyone else for that matter have no idea how he is feeling psychologically. To say he's done is pretty ridiculous.

 

[speedytiger]

On what grounds?

Hes getting pretty well compensated for a guy who hasnt played an AFL game. He's also now had issues at 2 different AFL clubs.

You would be a very, very, very much reaching if he thinks he can succesfully argue that there was some sort of negligence.

If he tries to go down this route then it says a lot more about him than the club, and gives you a lot of insight into possible reasons why hasnt been able to get healthy.

I don't for one second think that he should, i feel the he will.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Four.

Having a swipe at somebody who can't even read your posts for simply using the word " interesting" is petty vitriolic and immature fishing.

Anyhoo I've bitten too many times.

Back on topic, good to see Petracca finally make his debut this weekend. Another youngster with no luck to date.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

As an opposition supporter on your board I don't want to offend anyone but that's a poor comment. You, me or anyone else for that matter have no idea how he is feeling psychologically. To say he's done is pretty ridiculous.

He did say "IMO". I don't think it's an unreasonable theory; the fact is when you tear a muscle you replace the torn portion with scar tissue, which is going to be there forever. While the scar is strong and won't tear easily, it does increase the likelihood of tearing at the interface between the scarring and the intact muscle, and as BPikkers was perhaps alluding to, the scar doesn't stretch.

Athletes with chronic hamstrings frequently report tightness for this reason; they just never quite get the length and flexibility back. And it doesn't show on an MRI... not such an issue if your game isn't based around speed, but for a one-trick pony like Freeman, it's a nearly insurmountable problem.

 

[TW Sherrin]

I see a lawsuit coming our way if he never recovers

he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

he was cleared by the saints before they got him so he was injury free. any issues now are on their watch.

 

[Apex36]

Four.

Having a swipe at somebody who can't even read your posts for simply using the word " interesting" is petty vitriolic and immature fishing.

Anyhoo I've bitten too many times.

Back on topic, good to see Petracca finally make his debut this weekend. Another youngster with no luck to date.

May I ask exactly what I'm fishing for?

And I didn't take a swipe because he used the word 'interesting', I took a swipe because he gave absolutely no indication on what the supposed interesting comment was. But I've already explained that.

Get off your high horse.

 

[Vicky Park]

I don't for one second think that he should, i feel the he will.

I know nothing about these things - injuries or lawsuits - but I think there may be something in this. Maybe he could argue a case that his first and most severe injury (in the NAB game against Geelong in early 2014?) was the injury that was mismanaged, leading to ongoing problems and regular setbacks.

 

[danielnajdek]

On what grounds?

Hes getting pretty well compensated for a guy who hasnt played an AFL game. He's also now had issues at 2 different AFL clubs.

You would be a very, very, very much reaching if he thinks he can succesfully argue that there was some sort of negligence.

If he tries to go down this route then it says a lot more about him than the club, and gives you a lot of insight into possible reasons why hasnt been able to get healthy.

Maybe he'll claim we should never had played him against Geelong when to tore it badly.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I know nothing about these things - injuries or lawsuits - but I think there may be something in this. Maybe he could argue a case that his first and most severe injury (in the NAB game against Geelong in early 2014?) was the injury that was mismanaged, leading to ongoing problems and regular setbacks.

Will be a long stretch to claim compensation considering he was fully paid at Collingwood for two years and contracted at StKilda for another three from memory.......surely thats enough time on full pay to overcome that single incident (if it even was proven that Collingwood was in some way culpable).

 

[didaksrightfoot]

As an opposition supporter on your board I don't want to offend anyone but that's a poor comment. You, me or anyone else for that matter have no idea how he is feeling psychologically. To say he's done is pretty ridiculous.

I don't think there is a problem with that theory, and personally i have seen/heard enough to suggest that it may well be a factor (and something I alluded to above).

I'm pretty sure I had heard reports from either Bucks or Balme last year that suggested that our Docs and Physios thought his hamstrings had recovered adequately, and scans were "clear" (as far as things can be "cleared" for an injury like this) but that Freeman didnt feel comfortable when running so the safest decision is to go for more rest... The latest report from St Kilda sounds very similar.

Now - with muscle injuries like this (when the evidence of structural damage had resolved) - most of the assessment comes down to subjective feelings. No-one can accurately know what is actually happening with the hamstring, or what is being percieved by Freeman - which is the same as any pain that isnt severe enough to illicit clear medical signs.
Now, clearly coming back from injury you have to take it slowly. Clearly you have to listen to your body when it is giving you those signs that things aren't quite right... And the majority of those times the best thing is to listen to your body and rest. But some times - what can actually be happening is not purely physical, but at the juncture between the physical and the mental - and that is rarely ever clear. (ie. Think of the times you get "butterflies in your stomach" or the runs before an exam or big performance... You often just dismiss that for what it is... But most times it is not anywhere near as clear as this)

For Freeman and his level of past injuries, I would expect that he is still very much at risk of this being largely physical. BUT it is fair to be asking the other questions, and to be supporting alongside that... Because at worst you are just gonna be supporting his physical recovery (at best you might give him the confidence in his hammys to push through this at some point)

 

[Black_White]

Wasn't Ruslings issue his shoulders?

Yes, but chronic and a real talent not able to fulfil his promise.
Drawing a parallel not based on actual muscles involved.

 

[speedytiger]

I know nothing about these things - injuries or lawsuits - but I think there may be something in this. Maybe he could argue a case that his first and most severe injury (in the NAB game against Geelong in early 2014?) was the injury that was mismanaged, leading to ongoing problems and regular setbacks.

A mate of mine had a lunch with Alan Richardson just before he announced he wanted to be traded to the Saints. Freeman certainly felt Collingwood was to blame for the injury and the Saints used that among other factors to land him.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Interesting how different people have responded to your interesting post. One of them appears to be fishing for a reply.

Really? How interesting

 

[Hardas]

What's this thread come too?
We are talking about Freeman?
The whole thread should be dedicated to what we did all summer, talk about everything but Freeman.
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It's a worrying trend.

 

[Hardas]

Will be a long stretch to claim compensation considering he was fully paid at Collingwood for two years and contracted at StKilda for another three from memory.......surely thats enough time on full pay to overcome that single incident (if it even was proven that Collingwood was in some way culpable).

I see what you did there...

 

[Saintly Viewed]

A mate of mine had a lunch with Alan Richardson just before he announced he wanted to be traded to the Saints. Freeman certainly felt Collingwood was to blame for the injury and the Saints used that among other factors to land him.

We do live in an age where the trend is blame some else, ie it's never our own fault, it's somebody else.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Really? How interesting

What did Leigh Matthews say "never complain, never explain"

 

[Vicky Park]

A mate of mine had a lunch with Alan Richardson just before he announced he wanted to be traded to the Saints. Freeman certainly felt Collingwood was to blame for the injury and the Saints used that among other factors to land him.

Or maybe Freeman bears some responsibility himself?

I'm just going around in circles now. I think it's the disorientation caused by this thread actually being on topic.