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Murphy would be out. Taylor to come in. I'd rotate him in the middle.

Laird out of the middle for good.

Flip of the coin between burgess and gollant. I'd prolly choose gollant.

Bring in curtin. See ye later smith. Winning is more important than your feelings

I wouldn't risk rankine unless his hammy is 100% right.

He wont do any of this though.
Nicks sums it up in most of what he says. It's about working harder, not changing up how you do things. He has consistently displayed fundamental beliefs that he will not deviate from that our list does not provide. In his rush to try and attain a core group of experienced players he has lowered the standards of what he's willing to accept in the belief that effort will overcome the lack of talent in guys he's selecting. But to suddenly change gears and go less experienced is not something Nicks will do because it goes against his deep held beliefs on how to build a team.

The fear now will be the club sells out it's long-term future to get some short term wins (like overpaying to get a Petty or Luko) to try and eleviate the pressure they're feeling.
 
I'm fairly certain that Sachin Tendulkar and Kane Richardson both write left handed but bat and throw right handed

A bit different but Stuart Broad bowls/throws right handed but bats left handed. Maybe Stokes too.
I listed a few Aussies off the top of my head. Agree with you that this scenario is not uncommon.
Much less common is the differing one handed uses for gross and fine motor skills.
 

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Do you know how maths works?
Indeed, do you?

Feel free to let me know whether it's more or less probable to make the finals after losing your 1st 4 games.

I'm probably going to be correct. ;)
 
I'm sorta like that. I'm right handed, but any sport involving a bat like cricket, baseball or golf I do left handed.
I understand this situation well having worked in this area in a previous life.
Interestingly some sports can be mastered more easily such as cricket and baseball. I've always thought that the sports which required the greatest fine use of the hands are hardest for a "mollydooker" to master. Cricket and baseball have comparatively simple hand movements compared to golf for example. The reasons are complex to explain but as an example, it's infinitely easier to hit a tennis forehand top spin than a backhand top spin (until you become a very accomplished player). In golf, the rotation of the wrists through impact means you're trying to play backhand top spin shots. Compared to the "normal" one side dominant player, your at a big disadvantage. I bet you have a slice. 😁

Enough of this for now but the biomechanical aspects of ROBs kicking is hard to watch.
 
Most people have noticed that ROB's a poor kick, but it was only on the weekend when I saw a short clip from the SANFL on TV that I reckon I know why. The footage was in close-up and side-on.
It's his action and timing. Seriously.
Good kicks of the ball, especially on the run, have a big backlift behind of their kicking foot
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and are nearly upright on ball-impact-on-foot which helps to drive the ball with force from kicking-foot-momentum and transfer of body weight. After impact the player pushes his/her off-leg into the ground to drive the kicking leg through the ball and up.
Blighty was not a big man (182cms, 89Kgs) but was a magnificent kick, especially the torp. His winning kick-after-the-Siren that sank Carlton in 1976 sailed through well above the goalposts and is touted as the best long kick-for-goal, ever. It was all technique and timing.
After impact, good kicks of the ball are in the air, off the ground and land on their kicking foot then the other.
Here's an example, of many:
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Compare that to the ROB ugly-kick-photo, below.
ROB's R foot hardly goes back at all. No backlift = no kick-power going through the ball.
He hunches over, plants his L foot and leans backward as he kicks so that his upper body weight leaning backward pushes his R foot forward to kick. There's no legspeed in the kick and no transfer of body weight, with very little follow-through.
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That's why he can barely kick the ball 35-40 metres

That leaning backward is the reason why ROB slipped back and shanked that kick late in the AO game in the dying seconds (tie vs. Brisbane?). Too much weight behind his Centre of Gravity (and greasy deck).
Here's another example-in-action:

The weight-on-the-back-foot is also often a problem with soccer players who often blast shots at goal high, because they are leaning back.
All that brings me back to Nicks.
A decent (thorough) Coach would promote and utilise skill-sharing; the Crows have some very good kickers of the ball; Dawson/Tex/Fogarty come to mind.
Surely they could be used behind-the-scenes to show ROB how to kick?
On the topic, Tex could easily show the group (especially Keays) how to kick with their off-foot.


What a good explanation well done, I was talking to some SGL people on the weekend discussing young kids football and was told if a young lad comes out for a run if he can’t at least show that he has some resemblance of a left foot “go home and practice “


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I understand this situation well having worked in this area in a previous life.
Interestingly some sports can be mastered more easily such as cricket and baseball. I've always thought that the sports which required the greatest fine use of the hands are hardest for a "mollydooker" to master. Cricket and baseball have comparatively simple hand movements compared to golf for example. The reasons are complex to explain but as an example, it's infinitely easier to hit a tennis forehand top spin than a backhand top spin (until you become a very accomplished player). In golf, the rotation of the wrists through impact means you're trying to play backhand top spin shots. Compared to the "normal" one side dominant player, your at a big disadvantage. I bet you have a slice. 😁

Enough of this for now but the biomechanical aspects of ROBs kicking is hard to watch.
My son (9) is right handed but kicks left footed, its a real struggle with his kicking skills because of the ball drop with what is effectively his opposite hand.
 
Changing the mechanics of how you kick would require a lot of effort. Would be impossible to dedicate the time required.

Unfortunately you can’t teach old dogs new tricks,it like Keayes when he’s taking a shot for goals. He goes back,sizes it up starts his approach, shits himself then on his run up starts spinning the footy around then runs flat out and the ball goes anywhere.


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I'm sorta like that. I'm right handed, but any sport involving a bat like cricket, baseball or golf I do left handed.
Fwiw, I was a bit like that. R-handed, dominant eg
--- handwriting (but it took me years not to slant my cursive handwriting back to the L.
--- Cricket, opening bowler, also throwing (hopeless L-hand throw)
--- Squash/tennis (strong backhand)
--- footy, kicking (but had decent L-footed kick)
--- basketball, dribbling/shooting
--- Volleyball, serving.
BUT, L-handed at
--- golf, baseball/softball
--- Cricket (started batting R-handed), switched to L-handed in Primary School around Grade 5/6 because our best batsman was L-handed and just looked elegant. I was not.
Decent L-hand catch.
In hindsight, I could play any Cricket shot that used dominant R-backhand (hoick over mid-on/midwicket, pull- and hook-shots, leg glance) but my off-drives and square cutting were awful because I tended to backhand-twist the bat because of the sort-of-backhanded effect (often caught behind or in slips). Only developed an off-drive much later, late 20's/early 30's.

Tex's L-footed kicking is beautiful to watch. I don't think I've ever seen any R-footer kick as far and accurately L-footed.
That goal (last year?) where he feinted to the R then sold Aliir the candy, went back onto his L and slotted the goal from about 50m --- WOW! :oops: :hearteyes:
 
My son (9) is right handed but kicks left footed, its a real struggle with his kicking skills because of the ball drop with what is effectively his opposite hand.
Kicking on his non-preferred should be elite!
 
In golf, the rotation of the wrists through impact means you're trying to play backhand top spin shots. Compared to the "normal" one side dominant player, your at a big disadvantage. I bet you have a slice. 😁
Funny you should say. My "natural" L-handed swing (I'm R-handed) nearly always produced an outside-in slice, usually really bad, but was useful on dogleg-L fairways, ha! Odd, but I could hit a 5-iron like an arrow, also Pitching Wedge (90 -120m), but I was always playing rescue shots from rough/scrub on the LHS.
I met a R-handed bloke who had a a big hook, used to play baseball and he showed me how to roll my wrists over on impact --- very hard to do --- which worked for a while.
Enough of this for now but the biomechanical aspects of ROBs kicking is hard to watch.
Painful; he's so gangly and unco. I think also his foot-ball impact is too high which makes him lean back and 'reach' for the ball. Less power, that way.
I watched some of his kicking in slo-mo. Uuuugly!! :grimacing: :poov1: :sadv1:
 
Nicks sums it up in most of what he says. It's about working harder, not changing up how you do things. He has consistently displayed fundamental beliefs that he will not deviate from that our list does not provide. In his rush to try and attain a core group of experienced players he has lowered the standards of what he's willing to accept in the belief that effort will overcome the lack of talent in guys he's selecting. But to suddenly change gears and go less experienced is not something Nicks will do because it goes against his deep held beliefs on how to build a team.

The fear now will be the club sells out it's long-term future to get some short term wins (like overpaying to get a Petty or Luko) to try and eleviate the pressure they're feeling.

The strategy is fixed. The best 26 are determined during preseason. All eggs are placed into getting that group performing at their best as a group. That’s why continuity reigns supreme and easy wins are used to get this guys on form rather than blood a couple of in-form kids. And the strategy doesn’t change just because a season is cooked 10 rounds in. All the excuses, ‘shape’, ‘brings experience’, ‘selection integrity’ etc etc are designed purely to excuse the strategy of persisting with the same group regardless of who we’re playing or whether we’re rebuilding or contending.
 

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Murphy would be out. Taylor to come in. I'd rotate him in the middle.
Laird out of the middle for good. Flip of the coin between burgess and gollant. I'd prolly choose gollant.
Bring in curtin. See ye later smith. Winning is more important than your feelings
To you and all the posters who'd like to see the back of Murphy, Laird (or at least move him to HBF), Smith and McHenry, and I am one of them,
He wont do any of this though.
this!
Nicks won't do any of that because he believes in those players, in their current roles. There can be no other explanation/reasons.
Also, he doesn't trust any of the Juniors to do it better
If any of us got a face-to-face with Nicks and asked him to make the above changes, he'd look at us utterly perplexed and say "Why?".

Murphy and McHenry try hard, all the time. For Nicks, that's all that matters.
Smith and Laird are very experienced Seniors. Their experience on-field is vital to Nicks' team shape/structure, or so he believes.

It's obvious that to make unforced changes because of underperformance or lack of game impact is foreign to Nicks, well, unless the player involved is not a favorite (Pedlar), or a Junior (Curtin).
 
My son (9) is right handed but kicks left footed, its a real struggle with his kicking skills because of the ball drop with what is effectively his opposite hand.
That shouldn’t be an issue. I’m left handed but predominately kicked right footed.
I think Ricciuto is as well.
Watching Dawson and Worrell bounce the ball right handed I would guess they are also right handed but left footed.
 
That shouldn’t be an issue. I’m left handed but predominately kicked right footed.
I think Ricciuto is as well.
Watching Dawson and Worrell bounce the ball right handed I would guess they are also right handed but left footed.
An old coach of mine used to make us run laps bouncing with our left hand. He said if you can bounce it with the opposite hand, you'll be able to kick it with the opposite foot.
 
Fwiw, I was a bit like that. R-handed, dominant eg
--- handwriting (but it took me years not to slant my cursive handwriting back to the L.
--- Cricket, opening bowler, also throwing (hopeless L-hand throw)
--- Squash/tennis (strong backhand)
--- footy, kicking (but had decent L-footed kick)
--- basketball, dribbling/shooting
--- Volleyball, serving.
BUT, L-handed at
--- golf, baseball/softball
--- Cricket (started batting R-handed), switched to L-handed in Primary School around Grade 5/6 because our best batsman was L-handed and just looked elegant. I was not.
Decent L-hand catch.
In hindsight, I could play any Cricket shot that used dominant R-backhand (hoick over mid-on/midwicket, pull- and hook-shots, leg glance) but my off-drives and square cutting were awful because I tended to backhand-twist the bat because of the sort-of-backhanded effect (often caught behind or in slips). Only developed an off-drive much later, late 20's/early 30's.

Tex's L-footed kicking is beautiful to watch. I don't think I've ever seen any R-footer kick as far and accurately L-footed.
That goal (last year?) where he feinted to the R then sold Aliir the candy, went back onto his L and slotted the goal from about 50m --- WOW! :oops: :hearteyes:

Did the AFL make that video? Tex ‘lauches’ it. That’s bad lol
 
Why would there be any risk? If the back has recovered, he's just as likely to get a back spasm picking up his kids again as he is on a footy field. The cautious approach was not playing him against Richmond.

Bullshit!!!!

ROB's a level above Strachan and a very competitive AFL ruck with an amazing tank.

Strachan was tonguing it even as early as the 2nd quarter and long before he got injured.
Sort of agree for the rest of 2024. But it we are serious about improving we need to trade for at least a B-Grade ruckman with genuine ball skills - eg kicking freely without have to plan the action for 15secs & being able to quickly handball more than 2m.
 
Feel free to let me know whether it's more or less probable to make the finals after losing your 1st 4 games.
I'm probably going to be correct. ;)
No "probably" about it. You're right.

I suggest the other poster should Google:
"AFL how many teams make Finals after a 0-4 start?" and have a look around in what comes up, eg
"Adelaide becomes the 160th team to start a V/AFL season 0-4. Only six of them have played finals, and just one since the mid 1970s (Sydney 2017).", which is 1/69 = 1.4%
Different source:
"There have been 162 teams in league history start a season 0-4, just five of them have played finals", which is 5/162 = 3.1% (one d.p.).

[Some calculations:
Now that we're 4-8-1 we'd have to win at least 8 (8, 9 or 10 and 8 would be no guarantee) of the last 10 games to make the 8. In pure Win-Loss terms,
P(win 8), assuming P(W) = P(L) = 1/2, is 0.044 (3d.p.)
P(win 9), assuming same, is 0.00977 (5d.p.), less than 1%
P(win 10), assuming same, is 0.000977 (6d.p.), less than 0.1%
Mathematically "possible" ie >0, but highly unlikely.
Caveat: in footy P(W) is not = P(L) because of many factors like form/conditions/injuries/player readiness etc]
 
My son (9) is right handed but kicks left footed, its a real struggle with his kicking skills because of the ball drop with what is effectively his opposite hand.
I understand. This is much more common than people think.
At 9 years of age, he can be helped greatly by you still.

Teach him to dribble a basketball left handed and even some passes. Left hand goal shooting will also help. This is not meant to take over from his right side dominance, or to make him even proficient at left hand throwing etc, but more to open the opposite side of his brain to more fully facilitate a more ambidextrous future.

The AIS have previously used similar theories in sports where one side is highly dominant. Opening the other side of the brain has benefits beyond just physical dexterity. It also is believed to improve thinking and self control during some sports.

Maybe we should book Benny Keays in for a session or two??!!:think::think:
 
Unfortunately you can’t teach old dogs new tricks,it like Keayes when he’s taking a shot for goals. He goes back,sizes it up starts his approach, shits himself then on his run up starts spinning the footy around then runs flat out and the ball goes anywhere.


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I'm positive that even I could improve Keays set shot proficiency. Hopefully the coaches have tried.

Teaching him to kick better is not a new trick...and he's not an old dog either. I wouldn't give up on him if I was coaching him. The objective is to IMPROVE his kicking accuracy. It's not an impossible leap surely.
 
I'm positive that even I could improve Keays set shot proficiency. Hopefully the coaches have tried.

Teaching him to kick better is not a new trick...and he's not an old dog either. I wouldn't give up on him if I was coaching him. The objective is to IMPROVE his kicking accuracy. It's not an impossible leap surely.
His kicking is bad but his decision making on when to kick is worse.

Attempting a snap shot at goal that is easily smothered and turned over to lose a match isn't a kicking issue. It's being dumb. No player in the AFL could have executed that kick from that position

Or burning open team mates 20m out from goal when attempting a 45m shot on the boundary. Okay maybe he'd kick more of those with better skills but he frequently makes the wrong decision in those positions.

His set shots aren't nearly as problematic as those decisons in general play

IMO he's a very selfish player inside 50 that gets tunnel vision and thinks he's being a hero - and that's a footy IQ problem
 
No "probably" about it. You're right.

I suggest the other poster should Google:
"AFL how many teams make Finals after a 0-4 start?" and have a look around in what comes up, eg
"Adelaide becomes the 160th team to start a V/AFL season 0-4. Only six of them have played finals, and just one since the mid 1970s (Sydney 2017).", which is 1/69 = 1.4%
Different source:
"There have been 162 teams in league history start a season 0-4, just five of them have played finals", which is 5/162 = 3.1% (one d.p.).

[Some calculations:
Now that we're 4-8-1 we'd have to win at least 8 (8, 9 or 10 and 8 would be no guarantee) of the last 10 games to make the 8. In pure Win-Loss terms,
P(win 8), assuming P(W) = P(L) = 1/2, is 0.044 (3d.p.)
P(win 9), assuming same, is 0.00977 (5d.p.), less than 1%
P(win 10), assuming same, is 0.000977 (6d.p.), less than 0.1%
Mathematically "possible" ie >0, but highly unlikely.
Caveat: in footy P(W) is not = P(L) because of many factors like form/conditions/injuries/player readiness etc]
Good analysis but vfl stats are useless for predicting the future

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Fwiw, I was a bit like that. R-handed, dominant eg
--- handwriting (but it took me years not to slant my cursive handwriting back to the L.
--- Cricket, opening bowler, also throwing (hopeless L-hand throw)
--- Squash/tennis (strong backhand)
--- footy, kicking (but had decent L-footed kick)
--- basketball, dribbling/shooting
--- Volleyball, serving.
BUT, L-handed at
--- golf, baseball/softball
--- Cricket (started batting R-handed), switched to L-handed in Primary School around Grade 5/6 because our best batsman was L-handed and just looked elegant. I was not.
Decent L-hand catch.
In hindsight, I could play any Cricket shot that used dominant R-backhand (hoick over mid-on/midwicket, pull- and hook-shots, leg glance) but my off-drives and square cutting were awful because I tended to backhand-twist the bat because of the sort-of-backhanded effect (often caught behind or in slips). Only developed an off-drive much later, late 20's/early 30's.

Tex's L-footed kicking is beautiful to watch. I don't think I've ever seen any R-footer kick as far and accurately L-footed.
That goal (last year?) where he feinted to the R then sold Aliir the candy, went back onto his L and slotted the goal from about 50m --- WOW! :oops: :hearteyes:

Sympathise but understand the frustrations of the left/right hand thing.

That goal by Tex was GOTY worthy. It might not have been as spectacular as the Eddie style of goals from the pockets but the skill level in Walkers kick is OFF THE CHARTS!! Funny thing is, the better you know football, the more you realise how good that was. My single greatest memory of our 2023 season.
 

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