Review R6: Port v West Coast Review

[Port 2004]

I understand mate but it was the smallest incident - a slip of the tongue by my mate and this guy decides to open his mouth for the first time all day with a minute to go and have a go at him causing me to miss the next 30 seconds trying to defuse the situation. Bizzare end to a disappointing day.

There was another Dick there yesterday who threw a drink over a bloke just because he accidently bumped into him. Must have been a full moon or something.

 

[Dylan8]

I didn't see the game, so didn't see how bad it was. However, we seem such a bipolar mob on here. When we're winning, we're on the edge of going unbeaten. When we lose, we'll never win again. It's something we justifiably ridicule the other mob for.

In short: it is never as bad or as good as you think.

I feel the same way MrMeaner. I couldn't watch the game and coming home late for the review thread is strange reading for someone detached from the game. The big picture seems to be lost...

 

[Chrizzt]

Not trying to be a dick but what is the infringement?

If it's not tripping, it's holding the man.
Gray is clearly hindered in his run to the ball by McGovern.
Can't be anything but a free kick.

 

[turkelton37]

There was another Dick there yesterday who threw a drink over a bloke just because he accidently bumped into him. Must have been a full moon or something.

What is wrong with people?! Unbelievable!

 

[Dylan8]

Sidebar: What do you reckon Daniel Craig's character's name was. I'm going to say, "Boh".

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Are those names legit? Looks like a team out of the 1930s.

 

[tribey]

Are those names legit? Looks like a team out of the 1930s.

Yeah, potential father-sons.

 

[Dylan8]

Yeah, potential father-sons.

I prefer those vintage names to the modern celebrity so unique naming trend.

 

[tribey]

If it's not tripping, it's holding the man.
Gray is clearly hindered in his run to the ball by McGovern.
Can't be anything but a free kick.

Yeah, you can't argue that's a legitimate shepherd. Take your pick.

Starting from a position on the ground and throwing himself across an oncoming opponent's legs with the ball in dispute.

If that's play on then how did Carlile get whistled for an illegal block on Walker last week? What's the difference purely from a "prevented him from getting to the contest" context, let alone a borderline below/above the knee trip/slide?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

We had a stack of injuries and some late outs from memory in that game. Plus Norf+Etihad = Blow out.

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2004/121320040516.html
No Carr - broken Jaw from showdown the week before, Hardwick - missed first 8, Pickett - you needed him against North, Wanganeen, Kingsley andMonty

 

[tribey]

I understand mate but it was the smallest incident - a slip of the tongue by my mate and this guy decides to open his mouth for the first time all day with a minute to go and have a go at him causing me to miss the next 30 seconds trying to defuse the situation. Bizzare end to a disappointing day.

It happened to us a few times in the first handful of games. People losing their shit for anything from language (we're not talking c-bombs here) to general loudness/singing.

Now of course we were going to get a different clientele coming from the desolation of The Aluminiuminium to a packed Oval, but bloody hell, I've never felt more surrounded by bandwagoning theatregoers.

One 60-something year old lady getting a bluecoat who came and told my mate to calm down because he was celebrating goals too boisterously. Seriously.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I was yelling at the telly during this. On the telly it looked a free kick for tripping and I was surprised we got away with it.

Looking at the GIF though it does seem that McGovern made contact above the knees and Grays momentum spinning McGovern around makes the contact seem lower.

I don't think Gray's "Dean Cox impression arms" did him any favours in getting the free either.

I think this one might light a fire under your blokes the same way us getting destroyed by Freo seems to have got the playing groups heads screwed on at West Coast. Brisbane could get a hellacious flogging this week.

Its not a trip and and its a block within 5 or 6m of where the ball is.

 

[tribey]

Its not a trip and and its a block within 5 or 6m of where the ball is.

So you can throw yourself across an opponent's legs from a prostrate position with the ball in dispute? When did that become a thing?

Why are defenders getting whistled for illegal shepherds when they're merely standing their ground with the ball in flight then? Schulz versus Sydney/Carlile vs Adelaide.

 

[turkelton37]

It happened to us a few times in the first handful of games. People losing their shit for anything from language (we're not talking c-bombs here) to general loudness/singing.

Now of course we were going to get a different clientele coming from the desolation of The Aluminiuminium to a packed Oval, but bloody hell, I've never felt more surrounded by bandwagoning theatregoers.

One 60-something year old lady getting a bluecoat who came and told my mate to calm down because he was celebrating goals too boisterously. Seriously.

You've summed it up far better than I could! I get there's a limit obviously (our group isn't dropping f bombs or c bombs every 2 minutes) but some of the season ticket holders around us should worry more about supporting their team rather than complaining about how others are actually cheering them on.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

So you can throw yourself across an opponent's legs from a prostrate position with the ball in dispute? When did that become a thing?

Why are defenders getting whistled for illegal shepherds when they're merely standing their ground with the ball in flight then? Schulz versus Sydney/Carlile vs Adelaide.

Happens all the time.

Oh that is new shit that should never have been introduced.

 

[RookiePick]

Its not a trip and and its a block within 5 or 6m of where the ball is.

There are some reasonable posters here

Looking like a free and being a free are not the same thing. You guys had plenty of bad calls go against you but this wasn;t one of them.

tribey Law 15.4.5 probably at work in your Schultz/Carlilse example at a guess.

 

[tribey]

Its not a trip and and its a block within 5 or 6m of where the ball is.

So you can throw yourself across an opponent's legs from a prostrate position with the ball in dispute? When did that become a thing?

Why are defenders getting whistled for illegal shepherds when they're merely standing their ground with the ball in flight then? Schulz versus Sydney/Carlile vs Adelaide.

There are some reasonable posters here

Looking like a free and being a free are not the same thing. You guys had plenty of bad calls go against you but this wasn;t one of them.

tribey Law 15.4.5 probably at work in your Schultz/Carlilse example at a guess.

To reiterate, the ball is in dispute. McGovern isn't shepherding for a teammate in possession, he is actively impeding Gray from getting to a contest.

If that was allowed you'd just cut Boak and Gray down at every stoppage. "It's okay he probably hit him above the knees, derp".

 

[Smithy7]

In no universe could that have been construed as anything other than a free kick. ****ing McInerney. Again.

We need someone to send a Q to umpires whistle blower or what ever it is now for round 6 .. it should have been a free..

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

To reiterate, the ball is in dispute. McGovern isn't shepherding for a teammate in possession, he is actively impeding Gray from getting to a contest.

If that was allowed you'd just cut Boak and Gray down at every stoppage. "It's okay he probably hit him above the knees, derp".

In general play, not marking contests you, can block an opponent when your team mate doesnt have the ball but is about to get it. When the block happens Butler is about 2m from Gray and 2m from the ball. At the game I though it was a blatant free because I thought McGovern took Gray's lower leg first but from the replay he dives across his path and takes him above the knee a lot of his body takes Gray at short height. It wasnt an unreasonable play on decision by the umpire. Gray's response is a quick glance at the umpire inquiring if it was a free, not throwing his arms up saying I was tripped, type reaction.

 

[finbarr]

If it's not tripping, it's holding the man.
Gray is clearly hindered in his run to the ball by McGovern.
Can't be anything but a free kick.

Lol, how can anyone of sound mind even attempt to argue that a player lying on the ground reaching out with his arms to pull down a player without the ball is not an infringement. Mind boggling.

 

[RookiePick]

Lol, how can anyone of sound mind even attempt to argue that a player lying on the ground reaching out with his arms to pull down a player without the ball is not an infringement. Mind boggling.

So now McGovern "pulled him down"? I think that would have been prohibited contact and a free kick.

McGovern shepherded.

15.4.2
Shepherd
A Shepherd is using the body or arm to push, bump or block:
(a)
a Player who does not have possession of the football and who is
no further than 5 metres away from the football at the time when
the push, bump or block occurs; and
(b)
where such contact is otherwise not Prohibited Contact under
Law 15.4.5.

I think we are pushing the proverbial uphill RussellEbertHandball

 

[manureid]

Yeh, sorry REH, you are usually on the money but have got this one wrong mate.

 

[tribey]

In general play, not marking contests you, can block an opponent when your team mate doesnt have the ball but is about to get it. When the block happens Butler is about 2m from Gray and 2m from the ball. At the game I though it was a blatant free because I thought McGovern took Gray's lower leg first but from the replay he dives across his path and takes him above the knee a lot of his body takes Gray at short height. It wasnt an unreasonable play on decision by the umpire. Gray's response is a quick glance at the umpire inquiring if it was a free, not throwing his arms up saying I was tripped, type reaction.

Blocking an opponent reasonably, yes.

Diving across their legs from a prostrate position, and avoiding a free kick/report for tripping because "well, first contact occurs just above the knees, probably" is a shady loophole at best, especially when minimal contact is required around a stoppage to see Pendlebury and Selwood awarded frees for being kept out of it.

 

[steve hucka]

To reiterate, the ball is in dispute. McGovern isn't shepherding for a teammate in possession, he is actively impeding Gray from getting to a contest.

If that was allowed you'd just cut Boak and Gray down at every stoppage. "It's okay he probably hit him above the knees, derp".

Can't be as bad as the goal we got robbed from, I mean what the hell was that about please explain ?

 

[finbarr]

So now McGovern "pulled him down"? I think that would have been prohibited contact and a free kick.

McGovern shepherded.




I think we are pushing the proverbial uphill RussellEbertHandball

If the reverse happened in Perth and Gray impeded McGovern in the same way the Subiaco Boo-A-Drome would've gone off its ****, you included.

 

[Schulzenfest]

I'm not sure why we're bothering debating the minutiae of the rules of the game. McGovern could've stood up and decapitated Gray with a samurai sword and the curly headed campaigner would still have waved play on.