Autopsy Rd 7 vs North. Terrible loss, poor skills, never in it.

[BlueAbroad]

Here's my player ratings (NSFW) - LINK

 

[HBF]

How anyone could be at the ground and come away from that thinking the coaching was anything other than abysmal, I will never know. Boggles the mind.

Bolts was outcoached badly today.

 

[Blue and Blue]

Note the words you use to describe L'OB- "nice" moments. That encapsulates the Carlton problem -we are too nice and compromising. KENNEDY IS NOT A NICE FOOTBALLER. SETTERFIELD IS NOT A NICE FOOTBALLER- THERE ARE YOUR Replacements, who by the way are contested ball winners

Fellow called Bruce Doull had nice moments. Lots of those in the reserves and in and out of the seniors the first couple of years. IT JUST TAKES TIME. And every talent has a unique time.

 

[Bearded Carpenter]

People were writing Jack off preseason...its funny.

Those two words together are funny.
That made me giggle.

 

[Talrahir]

You know that stuff is going to happen. But not because of reasons like you and others come up with. It will simply be natural attrition and development that sees Murphs time up. History will record him as one of our best players plagued by injury from all the times he did put his body on the line and unfortunate to play in a very poor era for our club. No-one will call him soft in ten years time. Nor should they now.

It is with complete respect to Murph that I write this. History will record him as a Captain of our great club during a very dark time, buts lets remember he was a number 1 pick, played beside two number 1 picks in Gibbs, and Kruezer, and also alongside that other guy, Chris Judd, who went alright too. It wasn't all that bad a midfield. People will, however, remember his career as a whole. That includes now, and how he plays out his career. If his legacy matters to him, and to the club, i don't think dropping him to the 2's is going to be wise, or useful. What will it actually achieve. If his body is banged up, like we all believe, could we possibly imagine how frustrating it must be for him to not be able to play the way he wants? Taking a couple of weeks off for management won't help either. I'm not sure what is left to do but to respect his service to our great club over such a low point in our history.

 

[boltsbabyblues]

That's your interpretation. Never heard the club say that at all. Not even close

My take is they wanted Stocker and at that pick was a bargain.

they don't need to specifically say it. That's the only thing it can mean, unless they think he is worth pick 1

They would have internally been expecting us to finish 10-14, or they wouldn't have done the deal! Stocker is not the equivalent of a Rozee or a Walsh

 

[Arr0w]

Yes but until you drop L'OB we are sending him the message that his output is acceptable

He is far from being our worst over the last month

The message regarding recalling players after a long layoff and not performing is more concerning

Give players a block of games, no matter the level, then assess them

 

[Stig O'Hara]

I agree, perhaps they want to build his defensive side, as most kids at junior level don't play negating roles

Stephenson, from the same draft, is skinnier than him, and does alright.

 

[Soapy V]

they don't need to specifically say it. That's the only thing it can mean, unless they think he is worth pick 1

They would have internally been expecting us to finish 10-14, or they wouldn't have done the deal! Stocker is not the equivalent of a Rozee or a Walsh

Don't agree. I don't see it that way at all

 

[Mr_Plow]

Tough day playing in our backline but didn't shirk any issues. Did a couple of nice things

We've got a player. Outsmarted and outbodied Ben Brown in a contest on the wing. Not an easy thing to do.

 

[HBF]

2020

End of next year.

Jesus.

 

[boltsbabyblues]

Don't agree. I don't see it that way at all

mate, its pretty clear. either they expected us to finish 10-14 internally, or they are negligent. Why else would you swap picks?

 

[Soapy V]

mate, its pretty clear. either they expected us to finish 10-14 internally, or they are negligent. Why else would you swap picks?

To get a player you rated extremely highly whilst keeping a first round pick. That's my take

 

[boltsbabyblues]

To get a player you rated extremely highly whilst keeping a first round pick. That's my take

yes! if you were thinking you were swapping pick 10 for 12 etc. Not pick 1 for pick 10

 

[gardiner stand]

Yes indeed . But that didnt stop quite a few around here having him marked as a fail.

Jack brings good effort and plays with heart which is more than you can say about 15 others including an ex captain but he’s far from a bona fide AFL first 22 player, but he’s getting there. Kicking set shots would be a good place to focus on for improvement. Not making the distance from 45m out on fresh legs 1 minute into the game is not good enough.

 

[Arr0w]

Stephenson, from the same draft, is skinnier than him, and does alright.

Goes real well, but is a forward in a strong, experienced side and really doesn't have a defensive side

How do you think he would go as a defensive wingman in our side

Or how would Lochie go playing for the Pies

 

[Soapy V]

yes! if you were thinking you were swapping pick 10 for 12 etc. Not pick 1 for pick 10

Your opinion, not mine. Move on

 

[ajb72]

Carlton. Making crap teams look good since 1995.

 

[macca_74]

To get a player you rated extremely highly whilst keeping a first round pick. That's my take

I tend to agree with this. My take is the thought process would have been we fairly confident that we’re going to climb the ladder so best case we make out like bandits. Worse case we get a highly rated player and another first round draft pick albeit losing out on pick 1 or 2. Can we live with the worst case scenario? Yep, let’s do it then. A calculated risk.

 

[Soapy V]

Goes real well, but is a forward in a strong, experienced side and really doesn't have a defensive side

How do you think he would go as a defensive wingman in our side

Or how would Lochie go playing for the Pies[/QUOTE]

Big issue with all our young players. Lack of quality mature support

 

[boltsbabyblues]

Your opinion, not mine. Move on

Do you think the club would still do that deal if they knew we were going to finish last? (if we do)

Probably not I'd say, which means internally they expected a lot more from this year.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

...

So, let me see if I understand you correctly. You think - after a day like today, in which we were crying out for on ground leadership - you wanted to trade out what little quality leadership we have, to bring in more kids?

Who said anything about bringing in more kids? I said IMO they should have been traded when the rebuild was started.

 

[Soapy V]

I tend to agree with this. My take is the thought process would have been we fairly confident that we’re going to climb the ladder so best case we make out like bandits. Worse case we get a highly rated player and another first round draft pick albeit losing out on pick 1 or 2. Can we live with the worst case scenario? Yep, let’s do it then. A calculated risk.

Plus we will most probably use the pick to trade anyway. We don't need anymore top end picks. We need mature talent

 

[gardiner stand]

Williamson absLOB should never have been selected. Kennedy and Setterfield needed to come into today's side.

Finally something I agree with.
One is fresh and the other too good to be playing reserves

 

[Blue and Blue]

Jack brings good effort and plays with heart which is more than you can say about 15 others including an ex captain but he’s far from a bona fide AFL first 22 player, but he’s getting there. Kicking set shots would be a good place to focus on for improvement. Not making the distance from 45m out on fresh legs 1 minute into the game is not good enough.

Yes he is getting there. That is it exactly. We have a raft of young fellas getting there. Its hard to be patient but it's the harsh reality of things.