RedBulled Mock Draft 2016

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If we go Logue at 9 (and I'm not a fan of it personally), we need some speed at 19, not yet another tallish player.
I think almost every single scout, phantom drafter and football person see's Sydney taking Logue at 9. Not because he's a KPD but just the way he plays footy, he fits the Sydney brand. Grundy is another year older next season and Aliir Aliir, although very promising is still young. Because of his attributes Logue probably eventually turns into a midfielder with his endurance and pace and skill with ball in hand.

Sydney have also made it very clear they're keen on Luke Ryan, like Ben Long I have him in my top 15 on my board overall, I think of all the people picked in the draft Ryan's game translates the best to AFL. Losing Richards x2 mean's Sydney have holes KPP especially with Reid uncertain. They were short this year down back and unless they add more as well as a rebounding half back (heard Shaun Edwards name mentioned a while back) they'll have the same issue they did this season. Just remember you still have the luxury of Heeney at HF and Mills at HB, both natural midfielders.
 
I think almost every single scout, phantom drafter and football person see's Sydney taking Logue at 9. Not because he's a KPD but just the way he plays footy, he fits the Sydney brand. Grundy is another year older next season and Aliir Aliir, although very promising is still young. Because of his attributes Logue probably eventually turns into a midfielder with his endurance and pace and skill with ball in hand.

Sydney have also made it very clear they're keen on Luke Ryan, like Ben Long I have him in my top 15 on my board overall, I think of all the people picked in the draft Ryan's game translates the best to AFL. Losing Richards x2 mean's Sydney have holes KPP especially with Reid uncertain. They were short this year down back and unless they add more as well as a rebounding half back (heard Shaun Edwards name mentioned a while back) they'll have the same issue they did this season. Just remember you still have the luxury of Heeney at HF and Mills at HB, both natural midfielders.

Makes zero sense to do that at 19. Richards is just depth anyway. If we blow 19 on a tall player after blowing 9 on yet another one I'll be livid. We were burnt on the outside. Personally I'd pick Florent at 9.
 
Makes zero sense to do that at 19. Richards is just depth anyway. If we blow 19 on a tall player after blowing 9 on yet another one I'll be livid. We were burnt on the outside. Personally I'd pick Florent at 9.
Jake Lloyd was forced to play in a back pocket for the back end of the year. If the backline is addressed then Rampe becomes more offensive, Mills and Lloyd are put into the midfielder as well as Heeney back onto the wing where he finished and dominated the last part of the season. Hewett, Cunningham, Hannebery, Kennedy, Jack and Parker. There are very few kids in this draft that would step straight into that midfield. McGrath, SPS, and Taranto being the only ones in my eyes and they'll all be gone. Sydney are light on for KPD, they like to rebuild on the go so I don't see why they wouldn't address the hole they have.
 

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Jake Lloyd was forced to play in a back pocket for the back end of the year. If the backline is addressed then Rampe becomes more offensive, Mills and Lloyd are put into the midfielder as well as Heeney back onto the wing where he finished and dominated the last part of the season. Hewett, Cunningham, Hannebery, Kennedy, Jack and Parker. There are very few kids in this draft that would step straight into that midfield. McGrath, SPS, and Taranto being the only ones in my eyes and they'll all be gone. Sydney are light on for KPD, they like to rebuild on the go so I don't see why they wouldn't address the hole they have.

Stupidity moving Rampe. He's just had an AA season for crying out loud. I'd have no issue taking a REBOUNDING defender (i.e. Scrimshaw if avail) but I have a massive issue reaching for tall players when 2017 is stacked with talls and none of these players help address our problem from 2016. We need speed, especially a wingman/pure outside mid. We need to be taking one at 1 of these picks. As I said I get the Logue pick (I might not agree but I get it). Pick 19 needs to be a quick small.

Light on KPD? Have you looked at our list? We have lost Ted Richards yes, but we have Alir, Marsh and Talia to come in and that isn't considering Reid who is best down back probably. That is plenty of KPD. Our weakness is on the outside, and also a genuine and I mean genuine first ruck (this should be addressed late though or in the rookie draft- no need to overpay for one)
 
Who have you got the Hawks keen on with their 2-3 picks at the back end of the draft RedBulls?
Honestly my knowledge towards the back end of the draft is not very strong. Looking at their list though there is a few holes they could fill. Another, maybe 2 inside mids wouldn't go at a loss and a KPD.

Ricky Henderson looks like getting to Hawthorn. I wouldn't be surprised if they signed 1 or 2 other free agents as well.

If you look at the young players already on the list (under 23) they have a good balance over the ground but through the middle is a tad slim with Kieran Lovell really the only guy who's a genuine mid (O'Meara and Mitchell excluded)

I think they could eye off Ben Ronke and Ben Romensky, two strong contested players who performed well in the TAC Cup all year who will most likely slide. They could also run a mature aged recruit picking up guys 20-22 years old, still bringing in young talent but ready made players at the same time.

Honestly I'm really confused as to what Hawthorn are doing with their list at the moment, I worked this year at Box Hill Hawks so I've seen first hand a lot of these guys coming through.
 
Marshall and Powell-Pepper for the Eagles first two picks. They both sound pretty good; my only question is will Powell-Pepper last until the Eagles second pick ?
 
Marshall and Powell-Pepper for the Eagles first two picks. They both sound pretty good; my only question is will Powell-Pepper last until the Eagles second pick ?
Personally I could see him slipping that late.

It could go one of two ways with SPP, he could go as high as pick 10. Gold Coast have said they want a mature ready made body and everyone else could look at him the same, or they evaluate him on his skills and ability to play the game and if that's the case he slips, maybe not that far but he does fall out of the first round in my eyes
 

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Would be very happy with that draft as a Swans supporter.

Logue at 9 gives us a KPD who along with Aliir could hold down our defence.

Gallucci definitely fills a need for us with his speed and would be a great get @ 19.

Luke Ryan, the mature ager will come in a fight with the likes of Newman on our list for a HBF role.

I don't really like Lynch @ 49, but we do need ruck depth. There are a couple of players I would prefer over him. There names have just slipped my mind

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I really don't know about English to the Eagles. I think he'll be gone by our first pick and anyway I think I would prefer a midfielder, maybe Venables or Rotham ?
I think the longer time goes by and West Coast haven't signed a ruckman the more desirable English looks as a pick. I don't see many teams in the top end looking at ruckman, Sydney (eyeing Logue at 9), West Coast, Adelaide and the Western Bulldogs are really the only teams I see taking him and it making sense. Gold Coast could use a pick on them but they're pretty strong for talls at the club so that would be a pure development draft choice. Fremantle don't tend to draft talls early they like to add midfielders/medium sized players. I also don't think Lycett can be a 1st ruck so they might look to replace him at the end of next season anyway. I really do like the Rotham pick for West Coast but I think it'd be a stretch at 12 and he won't last till the second pick, I guess that comes down to their board. Todd Marshall is a serious chance at your first pick but honestly I rate Kerr and Battle higher than Marshall and both could easily be there at the second round selection.
 
Would be very happy with that draft as a Swans supporter.

Logue at 9 gives us a KPD who along with Aliir could hold down our defence.

Gallucci definitely fills a need for us with his speed and would be a great get @ 19.

Luke Ryan, the mature ager will come in a fight with the likes of Newman on our list for a HBF role.

I don't really like Lynch @ 49, but we do need ruck depth. There are a couple of players I would prefer over him. There names have just slipped my mind

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Logue at Sydney is a match made in heaven in my eyes, he plays the Sydney brand of football already and eventually I think he'll turn into a midfielder which is just exciting to have a guy that big in the midfield. Aliir is also such an attacking KPD, almost like a half back in his own right. Luke Ryan I think will have the biggest impact of any player in the draft next year, he'll also allow Mills to transition into the midfield which is nothing but positive for Sydney moving forward. I wouldn't be surprised if they pick him at 19 either just to make sure they get their man. I like Gallucci because he's an inside mid with elite pace. Lynch I think is just a depth think, Nankervis goes out so someone needs to come in, that pick could also be a KPF, which would actually make more sense, especially with Richards going out and Sam Reid having not played this year.
 
Logue at Sydney is a match made in heaven in my eyes, he plays the Sydney brand of football already and eventually I think he'll turn into a midfielder which is just exciting to have a guy that big in the midfield. Aliir is also such an attacking KPD, almost like a half back in his own right. Luke Ryan I think will have the biggest impact of any player in the draft next year, he'll also allow Mills to transition into the midfield which is nothing but positive for Sydney moving forward. I wouldn't be surprised if they pick him at 19 either just to make sure they get their man. I like Gallucci because he's an inside mid with elite pace. Lynch I think is just a depth think, Nankervis goes out so someone needs to come in, that pick could also be a KPF, which would actually make more sense, especially with Richards going out and Sam Reid having not played this year.

I agree with Logue. He is definitely a match for Sydney. If he can transition into a utility that can play AFL in the mids, he will be dangerous. Given his senior WAFL form, he is a player that could come in and play after a pre-season.

L. Ryan could easily be our pick 19. I have a feeling he is a player the Swans will target, and we have stated interest especially as we lost a lot of depth in the off season. Also we still haven't replaced Shaw/Malceski and McVeigh is into his last season. @19 he would definitely be a reach, but I wouldn't complain.

We definitely did the trade with Port to get Logue @ 9 and then, Ryan could make sense as he definitely would have been there @ 19.

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I agree with Logue. He is definitely a match for Sydney. If he can transition into a utility that can play AFL in the mids, he will be dangerous. Given his senior WAFL form, he is a player that could come in and play after a pre-season.

L. Ryan could easily be our pick 19. I have a feeling he is a player the Swans will target, and we have stated interest especially as we lost a lot of depth in the off season. Also we still haven't replaced Shaw/Malceski and McVeigh is into his last season. @19 he would definitely be a reach, but I wouldn't complain.

We definitely did the trade with Port to get Logue @ 9 and then, Ryan could make sense as he definitely would have been there @ 19.

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100% agree on Logue, his body is ready to play now, Sydney have always liked to rebuild on the go so they can keep competing and he definitely give them that with his senior readied body.
Jake Lloyd ended up at HB by the end of the year which was something a little different I didn't see coming, I don't really think he's got the pace or foot skills to play that role permanently but they could persist with that. I know Rampe had a great year as a third tall but I still think he'd be 100% more dangerous as a HB not a third tall, Ryan comes in and plays a Dale Morris mixed Easton Wood kind of role, his size is very medium sized but he reads the play well enough to play a lot taller than he does. If Sydney were able to to run with a back line of

Luke Ryan, Heath Grundy, Griffin Logue
Dane Rampe, Aliir Aliir, Zak Jones

for the majority of the year with Mills, McVeigh, Laidler, Lloyd all rotating through there to relieve I think that is a lot steadier back group for Sydney and gives them a lot of versatility as well, something they really didn't have much of down back this year and it showed against the Bulldogs.

The Port trade is fascinating, as a Port person I think it works out great both ways, we were always looking at Marshall and Hayward in the first round and they both look to be there by the time our picks are live. We just highlighted Sydney's strong defensive hand from the trade too. I think Port also liked it because we got that extra pick in the early 30s to get an inside mid like Sharenberg.
 
I think the longer time goes by and West Coast haven't signed a ruckman the more desirable English looks as a pick. I don't see many teams in the top end looking at ruckman, Sydney (eyeing Logue at 9), West Coast, Adelaide and the Western Bulldogs are really the only teams I see taking him and it making sense. Gold Coast could use a pick on them but they're pretty strong for talls at the club so that would be a pure development draft choice. Fremantle don't tend to draft talls early they like to add midfielders/medium sized players. I also don't think Lycett can be a 1st ruck so they might look to replace him at the end of next season anyway. I really do like the Rotham pick for West Coast but I think it'd be a stretch at 12 and he won't last till the second pick, I guess that comes down to their board. Todd Marshall is a serious chance at your first pick but honestly I rate Kerr and Battle higher than Marshall and both could easily be there at the second round selection.

Lycett ain't the greatest of first rucks but he is more than handy. His problem is that he has had limited opportunities and injuries in the past thats prevented him. Last year he came in a battled hard against the hawks duo of Hale and Macevoy and ended up beating both of them by him self. This year he nullified the influence of Both Gawn, Goldstein, Luenburger and Grundy. All of them had a truckload of ineffective hitouts. But back to the point, We can get by with lycett and Giles/vardy/mcinnis (mcgovern if needed) next year and i believe that we don't need to pick another ruckmen from now.

Its our midfield that needs to get better and with Priddis/mitchell not having much time left we need to bring in some quality midfield talent in. The lack of contested ball mids have hurt us in the last few years and theres a huge reason why we have had a huge reliance on NN and its one reason why we failed this year. But we don't need more once paced/one dimensional mids. We need a few dynamic mids. At the moment we only have Sheed, Duggan, Partington and maybe Nelson that show some promise of stepping up and being an integral part of our midfield. Only two of them i trust to being solid contributors in the middle in the immediate future. We have also delisted 5 midfielders so our midield depth is pretty thin at WAFL level as well. I really hope someone good slips through but i also like the look of Florent and berry and don't mind reaching for SPP at all.

Another glaring need is a small crumbing forward and its imperative that we get one(if not a few of) Bolton, Ryan, lebois or rioli. None of of our smalls crumb that well and hence our forward line lack the versatility some of the other better forward lines.

If we do end up picking up a project ruckmen it should be someone like Goddard or Cameron late or via the rookie draft. We have had a good success rate of developing talls (in fact a lot of rucks get picked up late or via the rookie draft) later in the draft or via the rookie draft so i can see us doing that.
 
Lycett ain't the greatest of first rucks but he is more than handy. His problem is that he has had limited opportunities and injuries in the past thats prevented him. Last year he came in a battled hard against the hawks duo of Hale and Macevoy and ended up beating both of them by him self. This year he nullified the influence of Both Gawn, Goldstein, Luenburger and Grundy. All of them had a truckload of ineffective hitouts. But back to the point, We can get by with lycett and Giles/vardy/mcinnis (mcgovern if needed) next year and i believe that we don't need to pick another ruckmen from now.

Its our midfield that needs to get better and with Priddis/mitchell not having much time left we need to bring in some quality midfield talent in. The lack of contested ball mids have hurt us in the last few years and theres a huge reason why we have had a huge reliance on NN and its one reason why we failed this year. But we don't need more once paced/one dimensional mids. We need a few dynamic mids. At the moment we only have Sheed, Duggan, Partington and maybe Nelson that show some promise of stepping up and being an integral part of our midfield. Only two of them i trust to being solid contributors in the middle in the immediate future. We have also delisted 5 midfielders so our midield depth is pretty thin at WAFL level as well. I really hope someone good slips through but i also like the look of Florent and berry and don't mind reaching for SPP at all.

Another glaring need is a small crumbing forward and its imperative that we get one(if not a few of) Bolton, Ryan, lebois or rioli. None of of our smalls crumb that well and hence our forward line lack the versatility some of the other better forward lines.

If we do end up picking up a project ruckmen it should be someone like Goddard or Cameron late or via the rookie draft. We have had a good success rate of developing talls (in fact a lot of rucks get picked up late or via the rookie draft) later in the draft or via the rookie draft so i can see us doing that.
I can't speak for the other games, but mate.... were you high during the Collingwood game?

Grundy got 45 hitouts and 19 disposals in that game. More than doubled the hitouts of Lycett. He thoroughly schooled him and in no way, shape or form did Lycett nullify his influence. Grundy's dominance in the middle was a big reason we won that game.
 
The Port trade is fascinating, as a Port person I think it works out great both ways, we were always looking at Marshall and Hayward in the first round and they both look to be there by the time our picks are live. We just highlighted Sydney's strong defensive hand from the trade too. I think Port also liked it because we got that extra pick in the early 30s to get an inside mid like Sharenberg.

It was a win/win trade.

I think Port got an amazing deal because you would think that 14&17 would get the 2 players Port wanted and an additional top 30 pick. So Port lost nothing and got an extra top 30 pick.

I would have been happy the Swans keeping those picks, but Logue is a player I think that we need and traded up for and I also think that who we wanted @ 17 Will be there @ 19.

It is interesting clubs have completely different draft boards, which makes for ana interesting draft night.

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Lycett ain't the greatest of first rucks but he is more than handy. His problem is that he has had limited opportunities and injuries in the past thats prevented him. Last year he came in a battled hard against the hawks duo of Hale and Macevoy and ended up beating both of them by him self. This year he nullified the influence of Both Gawn, Goldstein, Luenburger and Grundy. All of them had a truckload of ineffective hitouts. But back to the point, We can get by with lycett and Giles/vardy/mcinnis (mcgovern if needed) next year and i believe that we don't need to pick another ruckmen from now.

Its our midfield that needs to get better and with Priddis/mitchell not having much time left we need to bring in some quality midfield talent in. The lack of contested ball mids have hurt us in the last few years and theres a huge reason why we have had a huge reliance on NN and its one reason why we failed this year. But we don't need more once paced/one dimensional mids. We need a few dynamic mids. At the moment we only have Sheed, Duggan, Partington and maybe Nelson that show some promise of stepping up and being an integral part of our midfield. Only two of them i trust to being solid contributors in the middle in the immediate future. We have also delisted 5 midfielders so our midield depth is pretty thin at WAFL level as well. I really hope someone good slips through but i also like the look of Florent and berry and don't mind reaching for SPP at all.

Another glaring need is a small crumbing forward and its imperative that we get one(if not a few of) Bolton, Ryan, lebois or rioli. None of of our smalls crumb that well and hence our forward line lack the versatility some of the other better forward lines.

If we do end up picking up a project ruckmen it should be someone like Goddard or Cameron late or via the rookie draft. We have had a good success rate of developing talls (in fact a lot of rucks get picked up late or via the rookie draft) later in the draft or via the rookie draft so i can see us doing that.
Enjoyed this, good read.

Firstly with Lycett, his injuries are part of the reason why I think he'll be moved on at the end of next year. He's a second ruck, at best, his ruck work is sub par and he doesn't get enough of the ball around the ground to be an effective ruckman. As a second ruckman/3rd tall forward he doesn't mark the ball enough or kick enough goals, that's all I mean with him being moved on to accommodate someone else. I do think you need another ruckman for next year. Giles hasn't played a full season for 3 years now, he's a pinch hit ruckman. Vardy isn't a ruckman by any means so he only helps your forward line. McInnis is on the rookie list now if I'm not mistaken? He has nice size but I haven't seen him ruck much, he was drafted as a KPP so he strikes me as a Vardy type too. Lycett will have no pre season at all and potentially will miss the start of the season which means Giles and Vardy will have to do the bulk of the ruck work, that's a lot of pressure on both of them with no depth in the position until Lycett becomes fit and automatically hits peak form straight away.

Secondly I do agree with the midfield but in saying that don't underestimate the impact Sam Mitchell will have on this team. Age irrelevant with Mitchell he can do it all, he creates space and opportunities for guys all over the ground. Mitchell I think will be even better at West Coast because the midfield group is a lot stronger and deeper than he ever had at Hawthorn which will allow him to facilitate across half back at times too. I'm mouthwatering over him and Priddis together, Mitchell has never had that kind of contested ball help before. I agree on the one paced though. Guys like Masten, Sheed, Gaff, Yeo, Duggan and Hutchings are all basically the same pace, Lewis Jetta and Luke Shuey are really the only pace in the team. Partington I still think is a way off playing regularly and I don't think Nelson is anywhere near AFL level.

There will be a lot of those small forward types later draft and rookie draft so that wouldn't be the issue.

I think SPP is a great fit at West Coast, ideal actually of any team with him but he'd just be far too much of a reach at 12 and as much as I think he'll slip I don't think he'll make it to 34. Rotham is the other guy I think West Coast could use well. If Florent makes it through to 12 that would be a good fit also. I just think English makes sense at West Coast. I'll stand by that, originally I had English sliding to the Bulldogs at 18, if news of interest in one of those later guys like Cameron or Goddard comes through then obviously English won't go to West Coast, I just like the fit and being a WA boy makes sense too.
 

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