Play Nice Referendum - Indigenous Voice in Parliament - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Link to the proposed Referendum, from the Referendum Working Group:

(Edited 6 April 2023)

These are the words that will be put to the Australian people in the upcoming referendum as agreed by the Referendum Working Group (made up of representatives of First Nations communities from around Australia):

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

As well as that, it will be put to Australians that the constitution be amended to include a new chapter titled "Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples".

The details would be:


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The Prime Minister has committed to the government introducing legislation with this wording to parliament on 30 March 2023 and to establishing a joint parliamentary committee to consider it and receive submissions on the wording, providing ALL members of Parliament with the opportunity to consider and debate the full details of the proposal.

Parliament will then vote on the wording in June in the lead up to a National Referendum.

The ANU has issued a paper responding to common public concerns expressed in relation to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice here:

Indigenous Voice to Parliament | Australian National University

Responding to common concerns about an aboriginal and torres strait islander voice First Nations portfolio Background

www.anu.edu.au

Summary details of the key points from this paper may be found in Chief post here:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart:

Not specifically No. In any case it does not form part of the Referendum proposal.

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Seeing as things have gotten a bit toxic in here, let's try to return things to a more civil tone.

The following will result in warnings to begin with, and if said behaviour continues will be escalated:

• referring to another poster as racist without direct provocation.
• dismissing or deriding another poster's lived experience.
• personal attacks or one line posts designed solely to insult or deride.

You might notice that the final rule is from the board rules. Thought we should probably remember that this is against the rules in case it's been forgotten.

Let's play nicely from here, people.

 

[Chief]

Dutton has already promised another referendum hasn’t he?

He reversed that promise about 3 minutes later. World record.

 

[nut]

He reversed that promise about 3 minutes later. World record.

I’m shocked….

 

[Chief]

I’m shocked….

Not even in power and breaking election promises already.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I agree with a lot of that. The Voice is a good initiative.

Where I disagree primarily is that the financial cost of the referendum isn't important. I'm confident that a large percentage of Australians do not view the economic cost as "simpleton talk". If the 'yes' side gets up, it's worth the cost. Given you agree the outcome is quite certainly 'no', the cost cannot be justified. The better course of action would be to have started with the outcome you see happening: legislate the voice and allow the public to see it's benign, then bring it to a referendum.

Is it cynical to think Albo expected this to be the crowning achievement of his political career, with that being his main motive?

While the 'no' campaign has played on fear, the 'yes' campaigned has played emotional blackmail. Neither side comes out of this looking rosey. The best course of action is an approach that focuses on results. Spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a losing proposal is not good fiscal management.

Costs less than the Great Barrier Reef foundation grant or grants to paladin so not much in the scheme of things

 

[Rotayjay]

Tony Abbott was the wrecker who wrecked (among orher things) a Labor government and the carbon tax that was legislated to become an emissions trading scheme. Dutton is the one who looks all but certain to wreck constitutionally-enshrined Indigenous consultation, and possibly the Coalition's electoral prospects.

It's the metaphorical equivalent of blowing your enemy (Albo's) eardrum ... at the cost of blowing yourself to smithereens because the dynamite was strapped to you. Nice job, Peter.

 

[Gralin]

I’m shocked….

yeah he left it out there just long enough for the full news cycle to report on it on their front pages

then walked it back which most of them ignored funnily enough

 

[Chief]

ABC Perth Live Audio - ABC listen ?

 

[Rob R]

Tony Abbott was the wrecker who wrecked (among orher things) a Labor government and the carbon tax that was legislated to become an emissions trading scheme. Dutton is the one who looks all but certain to wreck constitutionally-enshrined Indigenous consultation, and possibly the Coalition's electoral prospects.

It's the metaphorical equivalent of blowing your enemy (Albo's) eardrum ... at the cost of blowing yourself to smithereens because the dynamite was strapped to you. Nice job, Peter.

Agree wtih everything you did except for the impact on Duttons electoral chances because

1) He has already ruined his chances.
2) The Voice isn't going to change anyone's vote at the next election as for most people it is a very low priority issue for them personally.

On SM-A125F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Gralin]

I do not believe this sort of thing happens by accident.

 

[phantom13]

I do not believe this sort of thing happens by accident.

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They’ve been fined for it I believe

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

They’ve been fined for it I believe

They got told to move them.

Yes23 campaign warned over signs which could 'mislead' voters at polling stations

The Yes23 campaign has been asked to keep signs for the Yes vote coloured in purple and white away from Australian Electoral Commission signage.

www.abc.net.au

I reckon at this point political signage needs standards. Especially after the libs tried that stunt.

Simple rules.
No Purple/White.
Logo/person responsible to be big enough to easily identify.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I do not believe this sort of thing happens by accident.

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They learnt to do it from the lnp signs in the Chisholm (gladys Liu) 2019 federal election.

 

[peetoo]

I largely agree but it seems people need a serious reality check of what the general community care about. They dont sit there and unpack it with nuances like you are. A huge portion of Australia are actually quite stupid.

I dont agree with it but the reality is that most people vote selfishly and when they dont gain from it they vote with spite.

There will be an utterly huge amount of people, like you said who dont care about this vote, who are suffering a cost-of-living crisis, rates keep going up and they are hurting in their own pockets, all they see is their Prime Minister pushing a "yes" vote, instead of addressing cost of living.

Which way do you think they are going to vote?

I really think the timing of this referendum is terrible for the yes campaign.

The same ‘anti labor’ forces put as much effort into attacking labor when they do address pressing needs

Take senator price now leading the charge to save the slum towers in melbourne

‘Why cant they be renovated? We hear… they’ve been renovated countless times

 

[peetoo]

He reversed that promise about 3 minutes later. World record.

2 dollar shop howard

 

[peetoo]

They got told to move them.

Yes23 campaign warned over signs which could 'mislead' voters at polling stations

The Yes23 campaign has been asked to keep signs for the Yes vote coloured in purple and white away from Australian Electoral Commission signage.

www.abc.net.au

I reckon at this point political signage needs standards. Especially after the libs tried that stunt.

Simple rules.
No Purple/White.
Logo/person responsible to be big enough to easily identify.

Last election I notice an absence of any signs. I thought they were now banned?

 

[peetoo]

Tony Abbott was the wrecker who wrecked (among orher things) a Labor government and the carbon tax that was legislated to become an emissions trading scheme. Dutton is the one who looks all but certain to wreck constitutionally-enshrined Indigenous consultation, and possibly the Coalition's electoral prospects.

It's the metaphorical equivalent of blowing your enemy (Albo's) eardrum ... at the cost of blowing yourself to smithereens because the dynamite was strapped to you. Nice job, Peter.

Beep beep

 

[HirdsTheWord]

The same ‘anti labor’ forces put as much effort into attacking labor when they do address pressing needs

Take senator price now leading the charge to save the slum towers in melbourne

‘Why cant they be renovated? We hear… they’ve been renovated countless times

Have no idea what point you are trying to make here by quoting me?

There will always be people attacking the man and not the message. That goes on both side of politics. Labor do it just as well as the Liberals.

Like i said i think the main issue for the YES vote is the timing. The Majority of people dont care about this vote and they want their government focusing on cost of living, not a vote that means nothing too them. They will likely vote with spite. That is how the general public think rightly or wrongly.

 

[the_interloper]

I'm going to vote this arvo I reckon, feel like walking in in a No tshirt for a laugh

 

[Chief]

I'm going to vote this arvo I reckon, feel like walking in in a No tshirt for a laugh

I don't know who would laugh

Are you voting no?

 

[Gough]

Vox pop of the voters at Oz House in London found the dude voting no to be exactly the middle aged, hollow eyed meathead that you'd expect to reject this idea.

 

[the_interloper]

I don't know who would laugh

Are you voting no?

I'm voting yes, that would be the joke. Walk in, get abused, show them my ballot paper, hysterics probably ensue.

 

[Chief]

I'm voting yes, that would be the joke. Walk in, get abused, show them my ballot paper, hysterics probably ensue.

Livestream it for clout with the racists!

 

[the_interloper]

Livestream it for clout with the racists!

I might ring up my mates Avi Yemini and Blair Cottrell and get them to come in with me, they'd love the plot twist!

 

[Chief]

"Yes voter hysteria exposed! They even attack their allies! Dangerous Communist Party agents cancel man over t-shirt!"

Viral. Bank.

 

[NSWCROW]

There's actually people handing out " HOW TO VOTE " cards for the referendum at early voting places lol.

Like, i know how to spell, you ****en numpty

Just tipping petrol on a fire.