Play Nice Referendum - Indigenous Voice in Parliament - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Link to the proposed Referendum, from the Referendum Working Group:

(Edited 6 April 2023)

These are the words that will be put to the Australian people in the upcoming referendum as agreed by the Referendum Working Group (made up of representatives of First Nations communities from around Australia):

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

As well as that, it will be put to Australians that the constitution be amended to include a new chapter titled "Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples".

The details would be:


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The Prime Minister has committed to the government introducing legislation with this wording to parliament on 30 March 2023 and to establishing a joint parliamentary committee to consider it and receive submissions on the wording, providing ALL members of Parliament with the opportunity to consider and debate the full details of the proposal.

Parliament will then vote on the wording in June in the lead up to a National Referendum.

The ANU has issued a paper responding to common public concerns expressed in relation to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice here:

Indigenous Voice to Parliament | Australian National University

Responding to common concerns about an aboriginal and torres strait islander voice First Nations portfolio Background

www.anu.edu.au

Summary details of the key points from this paper may be found in Chief post here:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart:

Not specifically No. In any case it does not form part of the Referendum proposal.

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Seeing as things have gotten a bit toxic in here, let's try to return things to a more civil tone.

The following will result in warnings to begin with, and if said behaviour continues will be escalated:

• referring to another poster as racist without direct provocation.
• dismissing or deriding another poster's lived experience.
• personal attacks or one line posts designed solely to insult or deride.

You might notice that the final rule is from the board rules. Thought we should probably remember that this is against the rules in case it's been forgotten.

Let's play nicely from here, people.

 

[peetoo]

In my town in Far North Qld, many indigenous people were strongly against this referendum. In fact in the weeks leading up to it, there were tents for both sides, not one indigenous people in the 'yes' tent. The opposite was true. I'm guessing most of the yes people are southerners who've moved up. It's a small community, did not recognise any of them at all.

We even had ********s drive door to door trying to convince people to vote 'yes'.

Most people won't report it but the 'yes' vote received hostile treatment in these parts of the country. And the common reason was that it would create an even further divide.

Everyone is equal and face the same struggles and opportunities these days, regardless of heritage. It's absolutely ridiculous to try to differentiate voices in parliament based on people groups and not where you live.

Good riddance to this referendum.

You seem to dismiss the vote of people wh arrived recently, but voted to retain the imposisition of martial law by the arrivals in the 1770s?

 

[peetoo]

We have to be open to the possibility boomers are vile racists.

Listening to them speak the last few months has been illuminating. In person and in a wider sense.

Personally I don't blame them as it's perhaps generational

All the yes campaigners I saw were retirees

 

[Cmarsh]

One can only assume that there are a greater number of 'racist whites' skewing that result, as the Yes Campaign repeatedly told us that 80% of the indigenous population were voting Yes.

Same must go for Maranoa with 84% No.

I really think there needs ro be alot more accountability and honesty from the yes campaign of the proportion of Aboriginal people that supported yes.

The oft quoted 80% seems bs.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Yeah exactly. What was the point of the Voice? To listen to Aboriginal people wasn't it?

An advisory body enshrined in the constitution so that the LNP can't disband it if/when they next get voted in. It's also a step towards reconciliation and self determination that indigenous people have a right to, a form of respect and recognition that we want to include them moving forward despite the crimes committed against them in the past. If it was such a non-issue then why the hand-wringing over how problematic it would be?

 

[sherb]

The result of this referendum not only saw Australia tell First Nation people where their place in our society is, but also to well and truly stay there.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I really think there needs ro be alot more accountability and honesty from the yes campaign of the proportion of Aboriginal people that supported yes.

The oft quoted 80% seems bs.

Well it was based off early polling, and the entire 10+ year process was established by the largest assembly of Indigenous groups ever seen in this country.

 

[Home Alone]

The current Liberal Party couldn't run a chook raffle, they are widely unpopular as is their leader, but somehow they were able to persuade 60% of the population to vote No.

LNP are very good at being negative. It has won them a couple of elections recently. Never been good at policy creating positive voter change.

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[Gibbke]

Says it all about how much of a sham it was when safe Labor seats in Adelaide's north were strongly in the No camp.

Shoots down the far left cries of racism when that part of Adelaide is very multicultural.

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Some of the most Conservative voters you'll find anywhere are in our multicultural communities. You will find huge undercurrents of Chinese, Italian, Greek, a huge range of nationalities - immigrants who historically came to the country for their own progression, studied up only on the history questions pertaining to their admission, and then proceeded to live their lives knowing what they know and stereotypically working hard with no background knowledge of aboriginal Australia. They don't see aboriginality throughout their upbringing, they just see their entrance requirements which have a huge Australian flag stamped all over them, and the second generation grows up with those inherent values - their idea of a cultural balance is their old country v mainstream Australia. So when it's pitched that one group allegedly will get perks ahead of them, it takes little effort to convince newer Australian arrivals to reject it because the political pitch doesn't delve into why that group is inherently a totally different case...

If Albo had his time again, he'd make that clear. It was all emotion and rainbows...

 

[sherb]

We have to be open to the possibility boomers are vile racists.

Listening to them speak the last few months has been illuminating. In person and in a wider sense.

Personally I don't blame them as it's perhaps generational

I suspect that the real beauty of this referendum for many people was that it gave them the chance to express their racism (via vote) without them ever having to outwardly display it.

 

[Tyrohad]

You seem to dismiss the vote of people wh arrived recently, but voted to retain the imposisition of martial law by the arrivals in the 1770s?

What are you going on about?

 

[Toump Ass]

Why you change my user name Albert?

It’s Toump arse.

Who playing funny buggers?

Toump A-S-S

Edit: Swear filter, what the **** is that.

 

[mcnulty]

There wasn't much evidence from the No campaign, apart from "we don't know." And they manipulated many people's fear of the unknown.

It’s not really up to No to provide evidence though. Quite simply, the Yes campaign fundamentally failed to convince voters that this was likely to accomplish anything.

As time goes by and the temperature cools I’ve no doubt this will be the prevailing analysis.

 

[LewisHall]

All the yes campaigners I saw were retirees

But if oz is like a 1/4 or 1/5 boomer.

Chances are you saw small sample size?

 

[Demonic Ascent]

you are missing the entire point.

it is not people's jobs to research referendums. Its up to each side to clearly outline their stance so people can vote. That is why the yes vote failed. They didn't clearly spell it out for people.

People aren't lazy for not doing research. its not their job too. Thats the campaigns job.

no wonder the yes vote failed rofl. People on the yes side dont know how the basic voting system in Australia works, no less a referendum like you have shown.

Garbage on both counts.

Firstly there was plenty of information available, they sent a pamphlet explaining it to every household in the country from what I can gather.

Secondly it is absolutely the responsibility of each person to make sure they are informed on a subject when voting. If you think it's not your job to inform yourself no wonder this country is as stuffed as it is.

At least have the courage to stand by your convictions instead of blaming others for your ignorance.

 

[Cmarsh]

Watch for rise of the Blak Sovereignty movement in this country now.

The things that were lablled as 'misinfomation' like land back, reparations amd and abolishing police and prisons will become more prominent.

 

[VicPark Bitter]

We're now lumped in with the MAGA and Brexit crowds as people prepared to kick massive own goals at the ballot box.

what's it like waking up on the wrong side of history this morning Gough ?

 

[Chief]

It’s not really up to No to provide evidence though.

They made plenty of claims. No evidence. AKA flooding the zone with shit. People discussing in good faith were run ragged with the need to debunk the bullshit.

That's the LNP way these days.

Lies. Misinformation. Disinformation.

It's an inescapable conclusion that this works. We see the type of people taking advantage of this human fallibility and credulity. We see them.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

If 40% support for YES can be converted to senate seats at the next election, it will scare the shit out of both major parties.

 

[Tadpole]

Mmmmm. Potatoes. Taste good.

So versatile too.

 

[Gibbke]

In my town in Far North Qld, many indigenous people were strongly against this referendum. In fact in the weeks leading up to it, there were tents for both sides, not one indigenous people in the 'yes' tent. The opposite was true. I'm guessing most of the yes people are southerners who've moved up. It's a small community, did not recognise any of them at all.

We even had ********s drive door to door trying to convince people to vote 'yes'.

Most people won't report it but the 'yes' vote received hostile treatment in these parts of the country. And the common reason was that it would create an even further divide.

Everyone is equal and face the same struggles and opportunities these days, regardless of heritage. It's absolutely ridiculous to try to differentiate voices in parliament based on people groups and not where you live.

Good riddance to this referendum.

I'm on the Cassowary Coast, also FNQ, and that isn't the impression I had at all. I'm a high school teacher, and the community I see, long term local indigenous, are quite strongly in favour of reform.

Not trying to diss...I'd be very interested to know which town you're in and why you say there's hostility from local aboriginals...?

 

[Gralin]

The result of this referendum not only saw Australia tell First Nation people where their place in our society is, but also to well and truly stay there.

And now the public will loudly proclaim it wasn't their fault that they did that and that racism had nothing to do with it

 

[Footy Is The Win]

Yes, we are!

 

[Tadpole]

Please unscramble your brain before you reply to me lol

What’s scrambled is almost impossible to unscramble.

 

[Chief]

Watch for rise of the Blak Sovereignty movement in this country now.

The things that were lablled as 'misinfomation' like land back, reparations amd and abolishing police and prisons will become more prominent.

The lie was that the Voice was some secret, powerful stealth bomber that would lay waste to suburban back yards.

It was no lie that many people DO want to see more land returned to indigenous people, better policing, better options over incarceration.

But the voice was not an automatic veto or law-making body as the regressive no campaign made it out to be.

 

[St 07]

Well that's a ****ing depressing result.