Play Nice Referendum - Indigenous Voice in Parliament - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Link to the proposed Referendum, from the Referendum Working Group:

(Edited 6 April 2023)

These are the words that will be put to the Australian people in the upcoming referendum as agreed by the Referendum Working Group (made up of representatives of First Nations communities from around Australia):

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

As well as that, it will be put to Australians that the constitution be amended to include a new chapter titled "Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples".

The details would be:


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The Prime Minister has committed to the government introducing legislation with this wording to parliament on 30 March 2023 and to establishing a joint parliamentary committee to consider it and receive submissions on the wording, providing ALL members of Parliament with the opportunity to consider and debate the full details of the proposal.

Parliament will then vote on the wording in June in the lead up to a National Referendum.

The ANU has issued a paper responding to common public concerns expressed in relation to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice here:

Indigenous Voice to Parliament | Australian National University

Responding to common concerns about an aboriginal and torres strait islander voice First Nations portfolio Background

www.anu.edu.au

Summary details of the key points from this paper may be found in Chief post here:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart:

Not specifically No. In any case it does not form part of the Referendum proposal.

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Seeing as things have gotten a bit toxic in here, let's try to return things to a more civil tone.

The following will result in warnings to begin with, and if said behaviour continues will be escalated:

• referring to another poster as racist without direct provocation.
• dismissing or deriding another poster's lived experience.
• personal attacks or one line posts designed solely to insult or deride.

You might notice that the final rule is from the board rules. Thought we should probably remember that this is against the rules in case it's been forgotten.

Let's play nicely from here, people.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Heaps of aboriginals, more than a sprinkling

and not all working

It's a more urbanised area. 100k people. More inclined to not be impacted as much either way.

 

[Tyrohad]

I'm on the Cassowary Coast, also FNQ, and that isn't the impression I had at all. I'm a high school teacher, and the community I see, long term local indigenous, are quite strongly in favour of reform.

Not trying to diss...I'd be very interested to know which town you're in and why you say there's hostility from local aboriginals...?

Mareeba. Indigenous guys were running the 'No' tent a couple weeks ago. That probably sparked some of the 'yes' campaign organisers up here to go around knocking on doors asking to speak to indigenous people if there were anyone living in the residence etc. They had their yes cars and were going as far out to farm properties as well.

And hostility was from all locals. I personally don't know anyone that voted yes.

Part of the reason might be due to who our Shire Mayor is. She was my high school principal and she was all about pushing opportunities for indigenous students and that's carried to her Mayor role and into the community.

Like I said, reform starts locally and is driven by a voted in government for everyone within that governments jurisdiction.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

So, you have nothing other than Mundine (an indigenous folk) said this and that so

Mundine is one of the main prominent spokespeople for the NO vote. It's his obligation to provide a decent alternative solution which he hasn't.

 

[ElectricG]

Mundine is one of the main prominent spokespeople for the NO vote. It's his obligation to provide a decent alternative solution which he hasn't.

i don’t think that’s how it works mate

 

[LewisHall]

It's a more urbanised area. 100k people. More inclined to not be impacted as much either way.

Well they are apparently quite political and there was a camp- thought of view either way, which I found interesting to hear.

I have little to no idea but I assume the no camp wants the more radical option. Treaty or whatever is higher up the ladder.

Perhaps they just want the 'no' but I'd be surprised from my white outside perspective

 

[Cmarsh]

Mundine is one of the main prominent spokespeople for the NO vote. It's his obligation to provide a decent alternative solution which he hasn't.

Mundine wants Treaty.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

i don’t think that’s how it works mate

Really so what do you think his role in this should entail. " Just say No" and walk away?

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Mundine wants Treaty.

Which his colleagues don't want. So how is he going to convince his own party to change their view?.

 

[Cmarsh]

The lie was that the Voice was some secret, powerful stealth bomber that would lay waste to suburban back yards.

It was no lie that many people DO want to see more land returned to indigenous people, better policing, better options over incarceration.

But the voice was not an automatic veto or law-making body as the regressive no campaign made it out to be.

You think there is an appetite for abolishing police and prisons?

Because that is what the Blak Sovereignty movement stand for.

 

[Proud New Father of 3]

They don’t just “identify” they were literally born there according to the last census.

You were the one that claimed the 90% number

I didn't claim anything, I took the 90% stat from a site with information on ethnic demographics in Australia.

The statistic I quoted was 90% of Australians identify as white. You brought up expats, not me, and I pointed out grouping the large majority of people who identify as being white from Europe or elsewhere as "expats" is very untrue. Lots of people identify ethnically from a country they haven't directly migrated from.

Regardless, whether the stat is 75%, 80%, 85% or 99%, my point still stands that voting in Australia is decided by white people. Shifting the blame of a fairly poor outcome from white people to minorities because they also voted no, is a very white person thing to do.

 

[Footy Is The Win]

Mundine is one of the main prominent spokespeople for the NO vote. It's his obligation to provide a decent alternative solution which he hasn't.

So you cannot offer anything other than blame.

 

[Millky95]

Mundine wants Treaty.

Which will never happen now

Voice would have been a logical step to it.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Oh well, at least Gina is happy

 

[sherb]

Mundine wants Treaty.

Good luck getting a treaty over the line when 60% of the country doesn't even want a non-binding advisory body in place.

 

[JackFlash]

Don’t you know it’s avocado toast not lattes these days? I like how you devalued an inner city vote. It’s the same.

People simply weren’t motivated by this issue. And Dutton is still the lazy useless prick he was yesterday. But 35% approve. Their vote is as relevant as mine

Nobody can affford avocado toast!

 

[LewisHall]

I didn't claim anything, I took the 90% stat from a site with information on ethnic demographics in Australia.

The statistic I quoted was 90% of Australians identify as white. You brought up expats, not me, and I pointed out grouping the large majority of people who identify as being white from Europe or elsewhere as "expats" is very untrue. Lots of people identify ethnically from a country they haven't directly migrated from.

Regardless, whether the stat is 75%, 80%, 85% or 99%, my point still stands that voting in Australia is decided by white people. Shifting the blame of a fairly poor outcome from white people to minorities because they also voted no, is a very white person thing to do.

I think wogs identify as white

Post england letting them into oz

 

[sherb]

Which will never happen now

Voice would have been a logical step to it.

Exactly.

 

[Festerz]

I personally don't know anyone that voted yes.

Part of the reason might be due to who our Shire Mayor is.

Or maybe because of some other reason.

 

[JackFlash]

How many cliches can you jam into a RW rant?

Mmm, missing the point, just as the YES campaign did all along. I only had one vote, but the majority of Australians had their say and were conclusive in it. Campaigns of bullying and intimidation will never win over the Australian public.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Good luck getting a treaty over the line when 60% of the country doesn't even want a non-binding advisory body in place.

Bitten his nose off to spite his face. Good luck to him from here on in he's going to need it.

 

[tandino]

Mundine wants Treaty.

He's against a national treaty.

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

I personally don't know anyone that voted yes.

I know many, and they sure told you about it.

 

[ElectricG]

Really so what do you think his role in this should entail. " Just say No" and walk away?

Ahh, a bit? What are you even saying? Unless they can solve all indigenous issues, they have to support a bad idea?

 

[Cmarsh]

I didn't claim anything, I took the 90% stat from a site with information on ethnic demographics in Australia.

The statistic I quoted was 90% of Australians identify as white. You brought up expats, not me, and I pointed out grouping the large majority of people who identify as being white from Europe or elsewhere as "expats" is very untrue. Lots of people identify ethnically from a country they haven't directly migrated from.

Regardless, whether the stat is 75%, 80%, 85% or 99%, my point still stands that voting in Australia is decided by white people. Shifting the blame of a fairly poor outcome from white people to minorities because they also voted no, is a very white person thing to do.

Its a very white left wing thing to criticize white people generally for political results they dont like, while ignoring ethnically diverse minorities for the political decisions they make.

The ethnically diverse heavy Western Sydney seats were all strongly no, but you won't hear labels of racism about them. Those same seats were also strongly no for the same sex marriage plebiscite. Didnt hear left wing criticism about it though.

 

[Footy Is The Win]

So the other half of the problem is right wingers?

That's the half we need to address.

Most yes voters being city dwellers really reflects how far out of touch they are.

I suggest you leave your comforts and go chat with the locals in Alice Springs, if you really give a squirt of piss.