Play Nice Referendum - Indigenous Voice in Parliament - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Link to the proposed Referendum, from the Referendum Working Group:

(Edited 6 April 2023)

These are the words that will be put to the Australian people in the upcoming referendum as agreed by the Referendum Working Group (made up of representatives of First Nations communities from around Australia):

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

As well as that, it will be put to Australians that the constitution be amended to include a new chapter titled "Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples".

The details would be:


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The Prime Minister has committed to the government introducing legislation with this wording to parliament on 30 March 2023 and to establishing a joint parliamentary committee to consider it and receive submissions on the wording, providing ALL members of Parliament with the opportunity to consider and debate the full details of the proposal.

Parliament will then vote on the wording in June in the lead up to a National Referendum.

The ANU has issued a paper responding to common public concerns expressed in relation to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice here:

Indigenous Voice to Parliament | Australian National University

Responding to common concerns about an aboriginal and torres strait islander voice First Nations portfolio Background

www.anu.edu.au

Summary details of the key points from this paper may be found in Chief post here:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart:

Not specifically No. In any case it does not form part of the Referendum proposal.

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Seeing as things have gotten a bit toxic in here, let's try to return things to a more civil tone.

The following will result in warnings to begin with, and if said behaviour continues will be escalated:

• referring to another poster as racist without direct provocation.
• dismissing or deriding another poster's lived experience.
• personal attacks or one line posts designed solely to insult or deride.

You might notice that the final rule is from the board rules. Thought we should probably remember that this is against the rules in case it's been forgotten.

Let's play nicely from here, people.

 

[dropbear101]

"I have a monorail to sell you" may be more relevant to certain age groups

nah, its this meme

 

[Chief]

At one level the government could choose to write into departmental guidelines the need to consult with First nations people where relevant and if you don't know to consult.

Then there's the argument about who gets consulted. But it's a start.

 

[Gough]

"I have a monorail to sell you" may be more relevant to certain age groups

"I have an energy polariser to sell you" would work for a certain demographic too.

 

[Gavin Excell]

"I have an energy polariser to sell you" would work for a certain demographic too.

Peter Brock and crystals?

 

[Gavin Excell]

For some reason that passed me by at the time, but I only recently read about it. It's an entertaining story. I'm not sure if Brocky genuinely believed in the product or was looking to make $$$

 

[killtaker1993]

"I have a monorail to sell you" may be more relevant to certain age groups

A guy I know texted me and used the term 'nothingburger' and I deleted his number straight away

 

[burge13]

A guy I know texted me and used the term 'nothingburger' and I deleted his number straight away

Seems a nothingburger response

 

[ElectricG]

So exactly which part of that do you take issue with?

Just emotional blackmail and bad analogies. Just a bit of a nothingburger. Like the Yes campaign.

 

[Festerz]

You know the Anglo part is also Germanic right?

You've missed my point entirely.

Or, more to the point, it seems I missed yours, given yours was the post I was responding to.

I thought you were making a pithy point about identity and didn't realise you were giving a European history lesson - apologies. Happy to admit it is not my area of expertise and bow to your better grasp of the subject.

 

[1990crow]

You used your critical thinking and comprehension skills hopefully - all of which are honed and fine-tuned at university

He's spot on. No voters simply aren't smart enough to be a part of this debate.
Australia is getting dumber by the year.

 

[Coolangatta]

So, here's my take after the referendum result.

I reckon there's a large chunk of "don't know, don't care" when it comes to a whole plethora of political issues.

People are more concerned about themselves. Cost of housing, cost of living, their salary, their tax bracket.

The Yes Campaign failed in engaging this majority, which has never been an easy feat.

It was mostly just a loud dogfight online between the race politics of yes and no enthusiasts.

I voted yes, but not for a second do I think 60% of the country is racist. I do think the Palmer/Hanson/Latham/religious right types tend to be, but they aren't the majority of the country.

Maybe in 20-30 years time they'll give this another go with a stronger campaign and messaging and perhaps a more engaged electorate, a bit like the Republic referendum which is due in the next few years for another crack.

 

[1990crow]

So, here's my take after the referendum result.

I reckon there's a large chunk of "don't know, don't care" when it comes to a whole plethora of political issues.

People are more concerned about themselves. Cost of housing, cost of living, their salary, their tax bracket.

The Yes Campaign failed in engaging this majority, which has never been an easy feat.

It was mostly just a loud dogfight online between the race politics of yes and no enthusiasts.

I voted yes, but not for a second do I think 60% of the country is racist. I do think the Palmer/Hanson/Latham/religious right types tend to be, but they aren't the majority of the country.

Maybe in 20-30 years time they'll give this another go with a stronger campaign and messaging and perhaps a more engaged electorate, a bit like the Republic referendum which is due in the next few years for another crack.

Yep. Unfortunately in that time indigenous people will continue to be disadvantaged and there will not be reconciliation.

 

[western royboy]

So, here's my take after the referendum result.

I reckon there's a large chunk of "don't know, don't care" when it comes to a whole plethora of political issues.

People are more concerned about themselves. Cost of housing, cost of living, their salary, their tax bracket.

The Yes Campaign failed in engaging this majority, which has never been an easy feat.

It was mostly just a loud dogfight online between the race politics of yes and no enthusiasts.

I voted yes, but not for a second do I think 60% of the country is racist. I do think the Palmer/Hanson/Latham/religious right types tend to be, but they aren't the majority of the country.

Maybe in 20-30 years time they'll give this another go with a stronger campaign and messaging and perhaps a more engaged electorate, a bit like the Republic referendum which is due in the next few years for another crack.

What % of the 60% do you think are racist or bigoted? I’m down here in red neck wonderland and I’m tipping it’s close to full house, what was once casual racism isn’t so casual atm

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

"I have a monorail to sell you" may be more relevant to certain age groups

A lot of Sydneysiders would swear up and down that there aint no monorail and there never was. Only the first part is true. Watch the early Heath Ledger fillum Two Hands. You'll learn some about monorails... and wet bullets.

Oh, and Pando's a good bloke

 

[KeilorUnder9s]

Yep. Unfortunately in that time indigenous people will continue to be disadvantaged and there will not be reconciliation.

Can you PM me this weeks winning Powerball numbers of wise wizard? I'll donate half to Noel Pearson so he can extend his Noosa Villa.

 

[phantom13]

Can you PM me this weeks winning Powerball numbers of wise wizard? I'll donate half to Noel Pearson so he can extend his Noosa Villa.

You reckon predicting that what’s happened for 250 years will continue to happen whilst nothing changes is the same as predicting the powerball.

I’m tipping you excelled at school with that deductive reasoning.

 

[KeilorUnder9s]

You reckon predicting that what’s happened for 250 years will continue to happen whilst nothing changes is the same as predicting the powerball.

I’m tipping you excelled at school with that deductive reasoning.

Ah yes shower me in your personal attacks and faux grief, you keep telling yourself how morally better and correct you are vs the rest of the world.

 

[phantom13]

Ah yes shower me in your personal attacks and faux grief, you keep telling yourself how morally better and correct you are vs the rest of the world.

Actually in this instance I’m just pointing out how ridiculous “same thing will continue occurring is the same as a one in 100 million event occurring” is but by all means wallow in the big bad yes voter being mean to you.

 

[South of the Yarra]

I am now resigned to the fact that Reconciliation will not take place in my lifetime. I will have long returned to our ancestors. My hope is that my kids, grandkids and foster kids will live to see the 5 dimensions of reconciliation in race relations, equality and equity, institutional integrity, unity and historical acceptance embedded into our country for Aboriginal people. .

 

[South of the Yarra]

Ah yes shower me in your personal attacks and faux grief, you keep telling yourself how morally better and correct you are vs the rest of the world.

Ah you're the one that doesn't recognise that Aboriginals have suffered as part of a war.

 

[KeilorUnder9s]

Ah you're the one that doesn't recognise that Aboriginals have suffered as part of a war.

No you are making assumptions (another wonderful lefty trait), plenty of Aboriginal folks suffered in WW1 & 2. I can say hand on heart zero suffered at the hands of my ancestors.

 

[phantom13]

No you are making assumptions (another wonderful lefty trait), plenty of Aboriginal folks suffered in WW1 & 2. I can say hand on heart zero suffered at the hands of my ancestors.

… not what he said but cool.

Deadset, are you a bot?

 

[Toump Ass]

No voters simply aren't smart enough to be a part of this debate.

Bit of truth in this but the whoever was behind the Yes Campaign probably should have realised it too and targeted their messages accordingly.

The No campaign had a nice catchy slogan "Don't know, vote No!", muddied the water a bit, that was pretty much all they needed to do to score a win.

 

[South of the Yarra]

No you are making assumptions (another wonderful lefty trait), plenty of Aboriginal folks suffered in WW1 & 2. I can say hand on heart zero suffered at the hands of my ancestors.

Seems you said 'there never was a war'

 

[Cap]

Bit of truth in this but the whoever was behind the Yes Campaign probably should have realised it too and targeted their messages accordingly.

The No campaign had a nice catchy slogan "Don't know, vote No!", muddied the water a bit, that was pretty much all they needed to do to score a win.

If you are not racist, vote yes!

Given our RWNJ brethren are getting upset about statistics about who voted yes, I feel like they'd be in complete meltdown at that