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I meant that they have in the past, or at least West Coast has.Umm, no we don't, neither do Fremantle.
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I meant that they have in the past, or at least West Coast has.Umm, no we don't, neither do Fremantle.
Pretty sure it was a very late decision to get Michael to the club, he had announced his retirement and only decided really close to the PSD that he wanted to keep going
Purely speculative.
.How do you know it is a list management decision, and what are other said options? Once again omitting the LTI as it has already been stated you can SIMPLY NOT know Polak's mental state and the affect him still being on the senior list will have on him.
He's not trying to stop Richmond taking Cousins, he's trying to stop them gaining an unfair advantage right before the draft in the form of an added pick.
I agree with Ed.
Yes it can be omitted, for the very fact that nobody but the club/doctors/family/friends actually knows the mental state of Graham Polak, therefore not knowing the full impact that leaving him on the Senior list may create and how it may hinder his rehabilitation.The other options are maintaining him on the main list which the club thought was a great idea before the draft or putting him on the LTI, which cant be ommitted just because it's been stated before.
I don't have inside information on Polak's condition, which is why I have not made a comment on him being in the right mind or not.What inside information do you have on Polak's CURRENT mental state that makes you suggest that the only fair option is the 1 that benefits the Tigers the most?
The thing is how the hell would you know that it isn't in the best interests of Polak, what has happened to Polak was a shocking thing and the VERY first thing stated was that he should be put onto the Rookie list, the club denied it at first because they thought it would help in his recovery, but now, possibly due to circumstances in his rehabilitation the club has chosen to seek permission.Dont be so naive to think that this decision is based 100% on what's good for Polak. The Tigers are trying to exploit a precedent set in the Rama case and the President of another club seems to be calling them on it.
Yes it can be omitted, for the very fact that nobody but the club/doctors/family/friends actually knows the mental state of Graham Polak, therefore not knowing the full impact that leaving him on the Senior list may create and how it may hinder his rehabilitation.I don't have inside information on Polak's condition, which is why I have not made a comment on him being in the right mind or not.
I couldn't care less if we do or don't get another player(In fact I have been against getting Cousins from the get go), but if it is in Polak's best interests to go onto the Rookie list then so be it.The thing is how the hell would you know that it isn't in the best interests of Polak, what has happened to Polak was a shocking thing and the VERY first thing stated was that he should be put onto the Rookie list, the club denied it at first because they thought it would help in his recovery, but now, possibly due to circumstances in his rehabilitation the club has chosen to seek permission.
I hardly think the club(Or any club for that matter) is going to exploit the fact they have a brain damaged player on their list, just to add one more player to the senior list, it is just plain stupid.
There was a precedent set in the Ramanauskas case that if a player has an illness/injury that is bad enough as it is then they can be moved to the rookie list to allow for that player to not have any unnecessary pressure brought about by being on the senior list, simple as that.
The vote to allow Rama to go onto the Mature Age Rookie list was made before the other clubs knew that they planned on replacing him with the newly retired Mal Michael. It would be interesting to see what the vote would've been had the other clubs known this.
This is a list management decision as opposed to a fundemental concern for Polak's wellbeing seeing as there are other, legal options available to the club which would have the same result in regards to Polak's rehabilitation.
That's not what you were getting at?
Polak did have a part to play in his injury AS OPPOSED to Rama who clearly did not.
That's what most posters who are going down that path seem to be suggesting, even TFT.
All irrelevant in any case.
All these arguments can be interpreted as rorting the system.
The biggest rort in AFL today is the LTI list but you asking Richmond to place Polak on the LTI list so as not to rort the system.
At least we could safely say that POlak is medically incapacitated and truly meets the criteria of the LTI list.
But you want Richmond to place Polak on the LTI list.
I suppose Polak will be one of the few cases of genuinely injured players being SUITABLE for the LTI list.
OMG.
What a midfield
FOLEY, DELEDIO, COTCHIN, COUSINS, TUCK. Throw browny in there occasionally too.
ROUND 1 WILL BE A SELLOUT!!!!
Polak belongs on the LTI list due to the fact that he has a long term injury.
Noone, least of all me, would sanely suggest that this is any way, shape or form constitutes a rort.
In reality, this argument has little to do with Polak, nothing at all to do with Cousins and everything to do with Richmond.
If anyone were to put up even 1 good reason why and how the best interests of Polak's rehabilitation would be served by being placed on the MRL only then will I look at this issue differently.
The bottom line is that Richmond are basing this decision from a list management perspective rather that a "what's best for Polak" perspective.
That in itself doesn't upset me to any great extent but let's please call a spade a spade here and drop all the emotional crap.
Richmond have one pick full stop. They cannot recruit a rookie. They will have two picks if Polak is moved to a mature age rookie list. They won't be able to follow your suggestion unless that occurs.I know that.
But they can just put him on the LTI list and pick up Cousins with the PSD pick. And the youngster they woudl have taken in the PSD can simply be picked up instead, in the rookie draft.
How do you know? Do you have access to his medical reports?That doesnt mention anything about his condition suddenly deteriorating over the past couple of weeks.
It just states his condition as at now.
Nobody's denying he's not in a good way, what we're arguing about is that it didnt just suddenly get worse after the National Draft.
Please provide a link which states that the club will be taking Cousins.Most of the young players eligible for the PSD are also eligible for the rookie list, except bottom aged pimply 17 year olds, and of course mature aged players above 22 or so. I'm sure whoever Richmond has their sights on (and they'd have a list of 5 or 6) with their PSD pick 6 would still be available with their first rookie pick.
So all they have to do is take Cousins with their PSD pick, then take the youngster with the rookie pick. The rookie is then free to be promoted as soon as Round 1, as Polak will be on the LTI list.
It would have been immoral, if Richmond had of come out as soon as Polak got injured and said too bad so sad seeya. Instead we have kept a player with little chance of actually getting back to football on the list.Geelong have lost Egan for the season.
St Kilda lost Jarryd Allan for the season.
What should we do about their "disadvantage"?
Lets face it. This isn't about Richmond being disadvantaged. Its about Richmond using the unfortunate circumstances of Graham Polak to gain a benefit.
Its actually immoral when you think about it, isn't it?
And to see the Richmond supporters trying to justify it is just as bad.
But they did apply after Mal Michael agreed to come out of retirement and join their club.Ok firstly, I dont see how a football injury is any less important than a non football injury. Injury is injury.
Secondly, all clubs want 40 fit players. Geelong included. But they dont always get what they want, and thats why there are lists of 40 in the first place.
To answer your question, no I did not agree with the Ramanaskus rookie listing. But I can see two major arguments that made Essendon's case a slightly stronger one than Richmonds - (1) Rama's illness was not self inflicted, and (2) Essendon gave a bit more than 3 days notice and did not apply after lists were closed.
Lets hope that Carlton or any other club never has to approach the AFL in the same situation then. Unfortunately odds are that another club will have to approach the AFL because a player will suffer a serious non football injury in the future.Lets hope the other 15 clubs let the AFL know in no uncertain terms that they do not endorse Richmond trying to operate outside the rules .
If Polak is unable to play football again then delist him ..it's that simple..people get hurt every day of the week and are unable to continue their careers, being a footballer makes no difference whatsoever.
The rules are there and should be ahered too...if there was no cousins in the draft then the tigers wouldn't even bother.
Richmond can pick a rookie just not until the rookie draft, where they have 5 live picks. If Polak gets moved to the rookie list we lose one of our rookie picks.Richmond have one pick full stop. They cannot recruit a rookie. They will have two picks if Polak is moved to a mature age rookie list. They won't be able to follow your suggestion unless that occurs.
they'll still come 9th
If Eddie has come out that quickly to state that he will vote against putting Polak on the longterm injury list, he must be the most gutless, arrogant and selfish peice of shyte on the face of the planet!!! An act like that this far into this saga could only come from a man who epitimizes the word that begins with C and ends with T!!!
Never thought his condition could've gotten worse?
The club isn't going to be asking this just to pick up Cousins, it will be in the best interest of Polak, first and foremost.
Can't be allowed to happen. Ramanaskus was given permission due to to exeptional circumstances. Polak is in this position because of his own stupidity. Why should he be treated any different than a knee victim.
If Richmond think he is capable of playing as a rookie, then he is capable to stay on the list as an injured player. If the AFL allow this one, it could open up a dangerous precedent.
what a uniquely idiotic position. well done
Of course Polak qualifies under the precedent set, and no the timing should not matter.
Uniquely idiotic. Why? because you don't agree?
How does Polak compare to Ramanaskus?
Hope Cousins gets a chance but can't see why Richmond don't just take him with PSD pick 6. Which they might do anyway if they are knocked back with this ploy.