Preview rnd 13 Crows Vs Kangaroos (Away) under the roof

[Coopers]

people have short memories regarding symes. he's a good sanfl player but cant cut it at AFL level.

Symes is tearing up the SANFL like he has never done before.
For that effort, he deserves his chance to prove us wrong again.

 

[Mismatched]

Look I don't necessarily disagree with that. It's been a strange old year though when you consider maric, Reilly , Armstrong etc....were prob in same basket as symes....cards marked.

Who can say for sure he won't step up as well

What is it exactly that people expect Symes to do that is different to what he's already done? He will run around collecting a heap of cheap touches but at the end of the day will be largely irrelevant to the outcome. He won't be bad, he's shown that he can play to an adequate level in the AFL and is probably good as an emergency. We are currently 2nd on the ladder, with a good chance of moving into first place this weekend and a legitimate chance of making a Grand Final, we can't go round giving average 27 year old footballers a spot in the side for the off chance that they might suddenly turn into superstars. We have plenty of blokes waiting for a spot who offer similar or more than Symes and have far greater futures. I respect the bloke, he's been able to make a pretty decent career out of limited talent, but I would like to think that as a club we've moved beyond requiring the Brad Symes of this world, especially when we've pretty much got a full squad to choose from.

 

[Mismatched]

Symes is tearing up the SANFL like he has never done before.
For that effort, he deserves his chance to prove us wrong again.

You obviously have a bad memory, Symes form in the SANFL is nothing new, he's always averaged well in excess of 25 touches a game for Centrals. This just happens to be the first year he's had an extended run at SANFL level, previously his stints for Centrals have been broken up by either injury or AFL duties. Even when he was back playing with Port his form was pretty good for Centrals and yet we chided them not playing him in their League side and they chided us for thinking he'd be anything but an average AFL footballer. Turns out they were probably right, he's been okay, but never far from being cut for a superior model.

 

[Paladin]

What is it exactly that people expect Symes to do that is different to what he's already done? He will run around collecting a heap of cheap touches but at the end of the day will be largely irrelevant to the outcome. He won't be bad, he's shown that he can play to an adequate level in the AFL and is probably good as an emergency. We are currently 2nd on the ladder, with a good chance of moving into first place this weekend and a legitimate chance of making a Grand Final, we can't go round giving average 27 year old footballers a spot in the side for the off chance that they might suddenly turn into superstars. We have plenty of blokes waiting for a spot who offer similar or more than Symes and have far greater futures. I respect the bloke, he's been able to make a pretty decent career out of limited talent, but I would like to think that as a club we've moved beyond requiring the Brad Symes of this world, especially when we've pretty much got a full squad to choose from.

I think the way the game has changed (our game style in particular) with more contested ball, higher pressure, longer kicking and less pin point passing could suit Brad. If Sloane or Danger pull out he fully deserves a game. If Lyons was fit i would play him. But he has a foot problem so Symes it is. Good move having Brad fly around the country to be emergency several times this year and not robbing one of our young guns of a game every weekend.

 

[radiojake]

Just as long as thge roof is SHUT.

No chance of that not happening - Has been raining all week in Melbourne and Sunday is expecting no different...

 

[Mismatched]

I think the way the game has changed (our game style in particular) with more contested ball, higher pressure, longer kicking and less pin point passing could suit Brad. If Sloane or Danger pull out he fully deserves a game. If Lyons was fit i would play him. But he has a foot problem so Symes it is. Good move having Brad fly around the country to be emergency several times this year and not robbing one of our young guns of a game every weekend.

I have no problem with him being an emergency at all, he's a good choice as you know he'll come in and play a role to an acceptable level. What he shouldn't be is a part of our first 22, as we need to look beyond "acceptable".

 

[Tex200]

What is it exactly that people expect Symes to do that is different to what he's already done? He will run around collecting a heap of cheap touches but at the end of the day will be largely irrelevant to the outcome. He won't be bad, he's shown that he can play to an adequate level in the AFL and is probably good as an emergency. We are currently 2nd on the ladder, with a good chance of moving into first place this weekend and a legitimate chance of making a Grand Final, we can't go round giving average 27 year old footballers a spot in the side for the off chance that they might suddenly turn into superstars. We have plenty of blokes waiting for a spot who offer similar or more than Symes and have far greater futures. I respect the bloke, he's been able to make a pretty decent career out of limited talent, but I would like to think that as a club we've moved beyond requiring the Brad Symes of this world, especially when we've pretty much got a full squad to choose from.

What is it exactly that people expect Symes to do that is different to what he's already done? He will run around collecting a heap of cheap touches but at the end of the day will be largely irrelevant to the outcome. He won't be bad, he's shown that he can play to an adequate level in the AFL and is probably good as an emergency. We are currently 2nd on the ladder, with a good chance of moving into first place this weekend and a legitimate chance of making a Grand Final, we can't go round giving average 27 year old footballers a spot in the side for the off chance that they might suddenly turn into superstars. We have plenty of blokes waiting for a spot who offer similar or more than Symes and have far greater futures. I respect the bloke, he's been able to make a pretty decent career out of limited talent, but I would like to think that as a club we've moved beyond requiring the Brad Symes of this world, especially when we've pretty much got a full squad to choose from.

James I respect your posting so don't take this as a smart arse response, but honestly what did you expect from Ivan or Reilly this year ....to be AA at the half way mark. For AFC to be 9-2. For Armstrong to slot seamlessly into a top defence. All I'm saying is there are a lot of indicators that a number of players with cards marked in our old regime have subsequently blossomed.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The thing that worries me most about the Kangaroos game is that they might be ordinary, we win easily and Douglas and Symes dominate and become lock selections for the season

 

[JP Sauce]

Symes should only be used as a last resort.

People saying he could improve as Reilly has if given the chance are forgetting one thing - Reilly always had good skills, Symes does not. Positive influence on the game and value to the team can improve when players are played in more appropriate positions/roles. Skill can not.

 

[StiffyJohnny]

Agree with most except, Goodes was having an absolute shocker and was right to be subbed off in his own right

well did you see how the doggies used clay smith as sub today? perhaps it was because he was fresh and interested in the game whereas everyone else had lost interest. nahh nothing to do with him playing for his spot in the team when others already knew they have secure spots in the team. mind you he had no affect on the end result either, just like christensen. everyone else was disinterested.

 

[Vader]

The thing that worries me most about the Kangaroos game is that they might be ordinary, we win easily and Douglas and Symes dominate and become lock selections for the season

Douglas is already pretty much a lock selection. It's highly unlikely that Symes will be, unless our injury list suddenly expands.

 

[StiffyJohnny]

Douglas is already pretty much a lock selection. It's highly unlikely that Symes will be, unless our injury list suddenly expands.

Chris Knights BOG for Eagles against Port. Almost 40 possesions. Has to be recalled to the Crows this week and given a full game, not sub. Johncock, 10 kicks only...

 

[StiffyJohnny]

Wow...

Christensen was so good that he was all out of puff when crunch time arrived with two minutes to go. Everitt for Goodes would have been considered a dismal failure had he not marked and goaled - it was clear Longmire thought he could 'rest' Goodes while five goals ahead and not feel any ill effects.

More often than not, the success of a sub on any given day comes down to luck rather than smart selection, given how difficult it is too get into a game when you've only got 20mins left.

I don't think Sando can be blamed for not picking the absolute perfect sub every week given our strong and healthy list, and a need to squeeze one player out to 22nd man.

Chris Knights BOG today, has to be recalled next week. If Sando doesn't then he truly is a douchebag

 

[skoobydoo]

Completely agree with this however as said before in this post we need to be smarter about our contested work. Instead of all of our players going in I would like perhaps 2 going in and the others wait for them to get it out, knowing we usually win these contests instead of the opposition getting cheap easy clearances. This is probably why our goals seem so difficult n the other teams looks quite easy. Perhaps Mackay should start focusing on the outside work again a bit more?[/quote

Also agree....I can't figure out if we are our own worst enemy with our clearance movements. In terms of quick movement from the contest to outside players I have a vague feeling we have lost something here. Just reckon for all our current hard work inside we have less outside fluency. So many more short scrubby kicks from inside the crush? I'm hoping it is still a work in progress.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Chris Knights BOG today, has to be recalled next week. If Sando doesn't then he truly is a douchebag

What a stupid thing to say. Knights has had one great game in how long?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Chris Knights BOG today, has to be recalled next week. If Sando doesn't then he truly is a douchebag

I'm going to go out on a limb and call troll account.

Boak's leaving and you don't have any other good players, sucked in.

 

[Wright Away]

Chris Knights BOG today, has to be recalled next week. If Sando doesn't then he truly is a douchebag

No I'd say he and the selection committee are correctly judging the players on their merits and understand that the players in the side that are in Knights' role are performing at a level that Knights is at this time not capable of.
When you are sitting where the Crows are on the ladder you don't bring in unproven players like Knights unless the players in his position are underperforming.

As for what you called our coach, I'd suggest that given your posting it is a more accurate description of yourself and you should stop projecting.

 

[CrowAboutIt]

Just as long as thge roof is SHUT.

Danger loves the roof closed! But why is it? No rain/wind? Crowd sounds louder?

 

[Wright Away]

Danger loves the roof closed! But why is it? No rain/wind? Crowd sounds louder?

It is called the Danger Dome.

 

[CrowAboutIt]

It is called the Danger Dome.

Haha was this where he ran into the goal post and flipped over an oppositions back?

 

[Mismatched]

James I respect your posting so don't take this as a smart arse response, but honestly what did you expect from Ivan or Reilly this year ....to be AA at the half way mark. For AFC to be 9-2. For Armstrong to slot seamlessly into a top defence. All I'm saying is there are a lot of indicators that a number of players with cards marked in our old regime have subsequently blossomed.

Fair question, here's my assessment of each

Reilly: Did I expect this? No. But that wasn't because I didn't think he was capable, but because I'd given up hope that at his age he would actually develop into the player he could have been. Always had potential to be a very good outside player, unfortunately we spent too much time trying to turn him into an inside midfielder to replace the likes of Roo, Goodwin, McLeod and Edwards. Always had a bit of a weapon in his kicking skills, just a question as to whether he'd ever learn to use it.

Ivan: Almost chose him as my lead ruckman in DT/SC teams, sadly I chickened out at the last minute for Kruezer. Always thought he was better than most on here gave him credit, a bit of a confidence player though and sometimes I think Craigy didn't quite understand how to get the most out of him. Has really only followed the typical form line for developing ruckman, unfortunately had too much pressure lumped on him too early with the defection of Hudson. His tapwork has always been technically pretty good, it was just a matter of him learning to overcome his relative lack of height against the giants of the ruck. Had the potential to become a Jamar style/level ruckman, which he's now done and was probably unlucky that Jacobs arrived last year, otherwise he'd probably be doing the same for us.

Armstrong: I wouldn't say he's seamlessly slotted into their defense, has only played 4of a possible 12 games with only 1 game over 13 touches... Was initially drafted as a 3+ year development player and showed pretty good progression throughout his 4 years with us. Unfortunately had a brain fart and got caught DUI and from that point on Craigy had marked his cards and no matter how well he played for North Adelaide he wasn't going to get a game. However Bickley gave him a shot and he actually played some really good footy and it was a shame to see him leave last year as we don't have a heap of blokes with his level of skill. Sydney obviously felt he had a place in their side as well, otherwise they wouldn't have targeted him. I'm actually surprised he hasn't played more footy for them.

The big difference between Symes and those blokes is potential, I think Symes has showed his best footy and has been shown as nothing more than an average footballer. The others had potential to be more, the question was whether they'd ever fulfill it. Its a shame that a bloke like Symes who has such a great attitude and always plays to his best can't get a game, but this is the elite level of AFL, a good attitude just isn't enough.

 

[StiffyJohnny]

No I'd say he and the selection committee are correctly judging the players on their merits and understand that the players in the side that are in Knights' role are performing at a level that Knights is at this time not capable of.
When you are sitting where the Crows are on the ladder you don't bring in unproven players like Knights unless the players in his position are underperforming.

As for what you called our coach, I'd suggest that given your posting it is a more accurate description of yourself and you should stop projecting.

just out of curiosity who is flying over as the emergency> symes?

 

[StiffyJohnny]

What a stupid thing to say. Knights has had one great game in how long?

he has had a couple of good games, hence his recall last week

 

[StiffyJohnny]

I'm going to go out on a limb and call troll account.

Boak's leaving and you don't have any other good players, sucked in.

hey im a crows supporter anyway, sando's allright just wish the guy hadnt had spent so much time at geelong thats all...he will come good, its his first year and all. hope he give knights another chance. knights can get 100DT points easily if he had a full game

 

[FR0GGY]

sando's allright just wish the guy hadnt had spent so much time at geelong thats all...he will come good, its his first year and all.

WTF? Are you serious, spent to much time at Geelong? Are you on this planet?