Preview RND 21 - Carlton v GC Suns Sat 7th August 1.45PM @ Etihad - Team - Post #366

[Love the Drake]

TDK won’t play. Owies has hit a flat spot so goes out.
We will pick someone else who can assist in the ruck, so Gov comes in to the 22 with Murph.

Fog or SPS as sub (or Kemp if they select a tall side).

 

[Accidental genius]

Feeling very confident of a win.

I think our poor performance against roos is going to come back to bite us

 

[Accidental genius]

I know Owies hasn’t been scoring as much as when he first came into seniors but his efforts/pressure/tackling has been good. I’d prefer he stays but ok if he goes back to vfl/scratch matches for some fine tuning perhaps.

 

[Stamos]

Hopefully Owies recaptures some form if he remains in the side.

That's why being ready for selection shouldn't be viewed on the back of 1 game or a small sample size

12 goals in 7 games, then only 3 in 6 games

But does add pressure which is always a good sign, or just good for structure

I think he just needs a break.
He's played a lot of games for his first proper senior season, and was meant to be out managed a couple of weeks ago, but ended up playing when H was out.

 

[ferrisb]

Sub is always Murphy.

Murphy will be named in the 22 for his 300th IMO. It would be publicly humiliating if we didn't.

They might even name him in the squad proper for 299 so it's not so blatant that we are gifting him games.

Personally, I would have preferred to end on 293 than it be obvious my team was reluctantly carrying me to 300.

 

[CJMB]

Thinking Gov for TDK and possibly SPS, Fogarty or Kemp for Owies who needs a rest. If one of those three comes in for Matt there might have to be some adjustments, other players moving further forward up the ground, def>mid/wing or mid>fwd

 

[Beyond Blue]

TDK won’t play. Owies has hit a flat spot so goes out.
We will pick someone else who can assist in the ruck, so Gov comes in to the 22 with Murph.

Fog or SPS as sub (or Kemp if they select a tall side).

I’d take Owies over Murphy any day of the week at the moment. If Owies has a quiet game against the Suns he can come out for Betts when we play Port.

 

[Red Bull]

In : McGovern SPS Kemp
Out : TDK Murphy Newnes

Stocker Jones Plowman
Saad Weitering Williamson
Fisher Cripps O’Brien
Martin Curnow Honey
Owies McKay McGovern

Silvagni Walsh Dow

Kennedy SPS Curnow Kemp

Sub : Newman

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Kemp does not deserve a run. Make him really work for it and bust on to the scene in 2022

Kemp has worked hard to come back from 2 long term injuries and has been pretty good in his VFL time, even having to play KPD.
He absolutely deserves a debut this year.
I'm not sure what you think he's been doing the past couple of years.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Hopefully Owies recaptures some form if he remains in the side.

That's why being ready for selection shouldn't be viewed on the back of 1 game or a small sample size

12 goals in 7 games, then only 3 in 6 games

But does add pressure which is always a good sign, or just good for structure

For me it’s more about the tackling pressure Owies brings. No coincidence our best team performance of the year was also our best tackling game of the year. Owies had 4 tackles so he played his role. I don’t think you get that if we shift the magnets around to bring in Samo and play Fisher in that role.

 

[Arr0w]

I think he just needs a break.
He's played a lot of games for his first proper senior season, and was meant to be out managed a couple of weeks ago, but ended up playing when H was out.

You and others are really overstating this managed thing. When the teams were named, he was an emergency

 

[Arr0w]

For me it’s more about the tackling pressure Owies brings. No coincidence our best team performance of the year was also our best tackling game of the year. Owies had 4 tackles so he played his role. I don’t think you get that if we shift the magnets around to bring in Samo and play Fisher in that role.

I agree, but of his 6 disposals he had 3 clangers and a turnover, along with 6 disposals the week before and only 1 goal in the last 5 games

His pressure has been good though

 

[bmaurizio]

TDK won’t play. Owies has hit a flat spot so goes out.
We will pick someone else who can assist in the ruck, so Gov comes in to the 22 with Murph.

Fog or SPS as sub (or Kemp if they select a tall side).

Yup agree with you.

 

[Aphrodite]

Kemp does not deserve a run. Make him really work for it and bust on to the scene in 2022

In: Kemp, Carroll

Out: Murphy, Newnes.

Best moves I can think of to improve on last nights 22, which IMO was the best 22 the club have fielded this year.

Edit in case - In: McGov, Out: TDK

FB: Plowman - Jones - Stocker
HB: Saad - Weitering - Newman

C: O’Brien - Cripps - Walsh
OB: Silvagni - Kennedy - Dow

HF: Fisher - McGovern - Martin
FF: CCurnow - McKay - Honey

Interchange
Kemp (D)
SPS (OB)
Williamson (W)
ECurnow (F)

Sub
Murphy (dragging him to 300 aha)


De Koning (inj) for McGovern
Owies (rest) for SPS
Newnes (omit) for Kemp

I’d go
TDK to Gov
Owies to SPS
Plow to Kemp. It’s time.

First 2 make sense, but not Gov in the ruck. Plow won't be dropped, but Kemp would be well ahead of Murphy

Owies needs to come out, 1 goal in 5 weeks from a small forward is well below output

Out: TDK (inj)
In: Kemp
Kemp to play intercepting KPD, Jones to play #1 ruck.
Maybe Willow for Gov also.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Creative, and it could work, but I'm loathe to go breaking up that Weitering/Jones partnership down back as I think it's working pretty well. GC aren't massive up forward, but coming off a game against Max King I think Weiters benefits from having an experienced and athletic supporting tall to help manage the other twin. Kemp looks the goods, but he won't have that synergy with Weiters that Jones has developed.

Smith's first game back for GC today, so reckon we'll have a good look at him and see how he's moving. If he's labouring a bit, or just out of touch, we may get away with a JSOS/Gov pairing, and could even roll Harry through a small number of centre bounces to mix it up. Would still have Charlie/Gov/JSOS up forward, so our structure wouldn't be shafted.

The way teague referenced having to play plowman reluctantly as third tall I would not be surprised if this week or definitely against port we out Newman or Williamson to bring kemp in as the third tall let plowman go back to what he does on the small forwards ..

 

[Jimmyonesix]

If Murphy was a sub, he'd be twelve inch bun with eight inches of filling.

Mayo or mustard for topping ( to much ?)

 

[Stamos]

You and others are really overstating this managed thing. When the teams were named, he was an emergency

He's looking tired and his form has dropped away

 

[Arr0w]

He's looking tired and his form has dropped away

Not disputing that, but let's just drop the narrative

 

[choo]

Out:
DeKoning (Inj),

In:
Kemp,

FB	Plowman	Weitering	Newman
HB	Williamson	Kemp	Saad
C	O'Brien	Kennedy	Walsh
HF	Honey	Silvagni	Martin
FF	Owies	McKay	Curnow
FOL	Jones	Cripps	Dow
BENCH	Newnes	Fisher	Curnow
	Stocker
SUB	Murphy

• Jones to cover TDK in the ruck and Kemp to take his spot
• If JSOS doesn't get up for the game, McGovern to take his spot

Why a doubt on sos?


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[Dadda Dave]

Given we’ve just had our best win of the season I’d be keeping any changes to a minimum. I hear the arguments for Owies dropping out but neither Samo or Fog truly knocked the door down in the 2s and neither are a true like for like swap with Owies so I’d rather we play players in their best positions. In my view neither nobody else deserves to be dropped nor is there anyone else knocking the door down to come in for a such an important game so if TDK gets up then I think we make no changes.

In the event TDK doesn’t play then I think we make just one change keeping it as close to like for like as possible, which is difficult when the other two ruck options are not available, so I’ll contradict myself by saying we‘ll need to improvise with a makeshift back up ruckman to partner Jack. We are very fortunate we are playing Gold Coast who are without Witts otherwise this would be a massive issue because he's a step up from Marshall and I fear he’d monster us. Even against Zac Smith and Corbett though, it’s impossible to expect Jack to ruck alone. I don’t mind the idea of Cripps providing Jack a chop out, however that could go very badly so I’d prefer to have a solid plan B. I really don’t like the idea of Harry or Charlie rucking, so the only other option is Jones, in which case we‘ll need cover for him down back. It would be a huge risk for either Kemp (on debut) or Parkes (6 games) to cover for Jones as an undersized KPD. The more palatable option is Gov who for all his faults provides some capacity to act as a back up ruck and/or back up KPD.

Its far from ideal but desperate times call for desperate measures! I’m not an overly religious man but I’ll be praying for TDK all this week!

Gov to come in and play back ,Jones in the ruck if TDK diesnt get up..

 

[Smegger]

Gov to come in and play back ,Jones in the ruck if TDK diesnt get up..

Kemp to come in and play back, Jones & Jack to ruck. Gov to come in as 3rd tall fwd?

If Kemp struggles put Jones back and have Jack & Cripps share ruck.

 

[Zlatan]

Watching GC now, and they’re getting mauled by Melbourne. We may not make finals, but it will be unacceptable if we cannot beat them.

 

[carlton4lyfe]

What Gold Coast are serving up right now is absolutely putrid, if we cannot beat them ... well

 

[LemmingMaster]

Why are people still calling for Newnes head? Not sure he's even close to missing out for me.

I've got more concerns with a Newman at times.

 

[Manhattanite]

What Gold Coast are serving up right now is absolutely putrid, if we cannot beat them ... well

Gold Coasts capitulation also makes it more likely the AFL looks to Clarkson to replace Dew

Meanwhile it’s a relief that Melbourne is back in some form as we need them to defeat West Coast next weekend...


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