Preview Rnd 21 - Carlton v Richmond - Sunday 11th August 3:20PM @ MCG - Final Team - Post #399

[ESKIE]

I don't understand why plowman is such a whipping boy. People don't seem to notice the amount of times he is involved in a 2 on 1 in the backline as well as how often he beats his own opponent.

The reason he gets to those 2 on 1s is because of his workrate and read of the play. And he's not often outright beaten even though he gets the worst match up every week

Who else has had to guard both Charlie Cameron and Jack Darling.

His disposal and decision making can be suspect. But so has our whole team this year.

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He has a bit of mongrel too

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

Assuming Jones is playing this week? Just read the Weitering article (hard to believe he’s only 21!) and I took it as Jones to play.

 

[BlueAbroad]

 

[AB_Blue]

Jones (if ready)
McGovern
Kruz
Dow
Thomas

Goddard
Kennedy
Phillips
Lang
Shuey

Thomas - Weitering - Plowman
Simpson - Jones - Newman
Walsh - Cripps - O’Brien
Dow - Cas - McGovern
Gibbons - McGovern - DeLuca
Kruz - Murphy - Curnow
Setterfield- Fish - SPS - JSOS

5 ins better than the 5 outs makes us a 15% better team on paper

Kennedy stiff on form (haven’t seen last 2 weeks)



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[Funk]

I don't understand why plowman is such a whipping boy. People don't seem to notice the amount of times he is involved in a 2 on 1 in the backline as well as how often he beats his own opponent.
The reason he gets to those 2 on 1s is because of his workrate and read of the play. And he's not often outright beaten even though he gets the worst match up every week
Who else has had to guard both Charlie Cameron and Jack Darling.
His disposal and decision making can be suspect. But so has our whole team this year.
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Conveniently forgotten by many.
Plow taking the awkward matchups means other players get easier matchups.
Plow is way under appreciated.

 

[Funk]

Not liking the weather forecast.
Wet and cold at the G - perfect for the scrappy football the Tiggers love.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

I don't understand why plowman is such a whipping boy. People don't seem to notice the amount of times he is involved in a 2 on 1 in the backline as well as how often he beats his own opponent.

The reason he gets to those 2 on 1s is because of his workrate and read of the play. And he's not often outright beaten even though he gets the worst match up every week

Who else has had to guard both Charlie Cameron and Jack Darling.

His disposal and decision making can be suspect. But so has our whole team this year.

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Plowman has always been pretty solid defensively. His errors are generally with his disposal. I don't think he makes more mistakes than anyone else on the team but his mistakes tend to be complete howlers so they're more memorable.

 

[Blue By Blood]

Conveniently forgotten by many.
Plow taking the awkward matchups means other players get easier matchups.
Plow is way under appreciated.

The issue I have with Plow is that he's always on an awkward matchup because he's not tall enough to play on the key talls and not quick enough or agile enough to play on the third talls (most) or the smalls. That's his limitations. He busts his gut each week on these tough matchups and as such has some moments which look horrendous, and hence people pick him apart, but he battles away as best he can. I like Plow so it's a tough one given he's asked to take matchups which don't suit him, but unfortunately not many matchups do suit him.

The reality is we need to move past Plowman IMO. I'm just not sure we have someone suitable to step into that role. Maybe McGovern could work I'm not sure.

 

[Stamos]

The issue I have with Plow is not quick enough or agile enough to play on the third talls (most) or the smalls. That's his limitations.

This just isn’t true, has a great record

 

[Stamos]

Plowman has always been pretty solid defensively. His errors are generally with his disposal. I don't think he makes more mistakes than anyone else on the team but his mistakes tend to be complete howlers so they're more memorable.

I think it’s more that his mistakes occur in the backline (where he’s playing) and therefore can cost goals, rather than being bigger howlers than other players. People tend to focus on mistakes which cost goals defensively, rather than mistakes which cost goals offensively.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

I think it’s more that his mistakes occur in the backline (where he’s playing) and therefore can cost goals, rather than being bigger howlers than other players. People tend to focus on mistakes which cost goals defensively, rather than mistakes which cost goals offensively.

defense certainly has less margin for error. He just needs to play within his limitations.

I'm not sure why we don't give weitering more aggressive kicking duties in the back half. His kicking skills is why he was pick 1.

 

[Kruezing]

Can the boys do the unlikely and win this one ... thereby assuring that Teague gets the gig ...

 

[DamianBis]

I'm not sure why we don't give weitering more aggressive kicking duties in the back half. His kicking skills is why he was pick 1.

If there was any player in the back 6 id want kicking 40m into the corridor it is weitering. I just wonder if when he doesn't pull it off he loses too much confidence

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[Duigan Alley34]

I agree i thought plowman did a decent job. Darling got on the end of a few but it was their small forwards that really did the damage.

But i'm also keen to renew the weitering riewoldt rivalry.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

If there was any player in the back 6 id want kicking 40m into the corridor it is weitering. I just wonder if when he doesn't pull it off he loses too much confidence

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See above post. I definitely don't think it's a lack confidence!

 

[Funk]

The issue I have with Plow is that he's always on an awkward matchup because he's not tall enough to play on the key talls and not quick enough or agile enough to play on the third talls (most) or the smalls. That's his limitations. He busts his gut each week on these tough matchups and as such has some moments which look horrendous, and hence people pick him apart, but he battles away as best he can. I like Plow so it's a tough one given he's asked to take matchups which don't suit him, but unfortunately not many matchups do suit him.

The reality is we need to move past Plowman IMO. I'm just not sure we have someone suitable to step into that role. Maybe McGovern could work I'm not sure.

Completely disagree.

I’ve seen Geelong isolate Danger (at his absolute peak when he was unstoppable) deep forward against Plow a few years ago trying to get some easy goals.

Plowman repeatedly thrashed him in one v ones.

He is perfect against most 3rd talls and Danger/DeGoey types. But is often given the mismatch.

IMHO - often so Marchbank gets a softer opponent or because we don’t have a Neville Jetta/Nick Smith type small lockdown defender.

Surprised this is not obvious to people who pot him.

 

[Drexl 31]

Should be some nice ins this week. Verrrry nice indeed.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Jones I wish him all the best but really hope hes back! No rush tho of course

 

[Blue Dimension]

In: Jones, Kreuz, Thomas, Cunningham
Out: Goddard, Phillips (unlucky - has been good), Shu, Lang

Potentially Deluca out for Mcgovern also if Gov is ready to go.

 

[Jimmae]

Agree Plow did well in most of the 1 on 1's with Jack.

Suppose Lang might make way if Cunners comes in while Kennedy was quiet he has more form to fall back on.

Would like to see Deluca given some minutes in the middle to see how he goes, don't recall him there on weekend at all.

If McGovern and Jones return, it's hard to see Kennedy's role in the side. If Cuningham, Thomas and Kreuzer all return as well, he's surely out of the team. Giving his all, but needs to get fitter/more mobile.

Can't blame it all on his ankle niggles when it's been an issue since his junior days.

I don't understand why plowman is such a whipping boy. People don't seem to notice the amount of times he is involved in a 2 on 1 in the backline as well as how often he beats his own opponent.

The reason he gets to those 2 on 1s is because of his workrate and read of the play. And he's not often outright beaten even though he gets the worst match up every week

Who else has had to guard both Charlie Cameron and Jack Darling.

His disposal and decision making can be suspect. But so has our whole team this year.

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It's because he's not a true tall, and he doesn't provide a heap of rebound, so when he turns it over the people who watched McKay and Doull strut their stuff - but haven't learnt anything about football tactics for 20 years - lose their ****ing minds.

I mean yeah, we've not really been tactically decipherable for most of that, but if you're devoting 8+ hours a week for something, maybe you can start to put the pieces together a bit more consistently?

 

[Nori]

I think it’s more that his mistakes occur in the backline (where he’s playing) and therefore can cost goals, rather than being bigger howlers than other players. People tend to focus on mistakes which cost goals defensively, rather than mistakes which cost goals offensively.

True, but his worst games aren't good enough. His best games are first class through. I like the way he compliments Jones and Weits. Already a valuable player and still improving.

 

[Benaly28]

I’m tipping at least 4 changes this week.

 

[Duigan Alley34]

Yep.. im sure the triple coleman medalist is quaking in his boots!

Lachie Henderson used to lock him down for us. Sometimes a gun key forward will just get away from you no matter what you do. Have seen Reiwoldt beaten his fair share for a 3x Coleman.

Edit* now I see you're actually a Richmond troll you sad sad soulless creature. Adios mother****er.

 

[myblueroan]

What a loser. Just another example of how insecure Richmond supporters are. They have been so unsuccessful over time, they are desperate to get acknowledgment for every single thing they can. They know if they don't win this year 2017 will just be seen as a flash in the pan. God I hope it happens.

Don't have any feeling that Tiges will make Granny this year. I know I'm in the minority though.
Agree with Daisy Pearce that it will be Eagles V Lions.

 

[F_therest]

Don't have any feeling that Tiges will make Granny this year. I know I'm in the minority though.
Agree with Daisy Pearce that it will be Eagles V Lions.

Nah i'm picking Eagles vs Richmond.

Mainly due to their experience.

Finals are a different ball game and it would be rare and very impressive if Brisbane made the Grand Final despite not even having made finals for 10 years prior.