Roast Ross Lyon: Man on the plank.

[Sully111]

All this talk of giving Ross the boot and I seriously think it's our assistants that need a real look at.

Unfortunately they won't make any mid-season changes there but BJ and Harvs are not exactly making their respective lines look good.

From all reports it sounds like RTB is happy for his assistants to take the reigns way more than in previous years and to me it's not working. Those 2 either need to be moved on or whatever they are telling their players needs to be changed up.

Speaking of assistants, we dearly need to hang onto Enright as I genuinely think he'll be our next senior coach.

And also speaking of people to hang onto. We really really need to hang onto Battle.

Couldn't agree more

I'm not happy with the overall coaching performance, but I don't think we should be considering moving Lyon on.

Enright is the only one of the 3 assistants who should be safe

 

[kernelT]

All this talk of giving Ross the boot and I seriously think it's our assistants that need a real look at.

Unfortunately they won't make any mid-season changes there but BJ and Harvs are not exactly making their respective lines look good.

From all reports it sounds like RTB is happy for his assistants to take the reigns way more than in previous years and to me it's not working. Those 2 either need to be moved on or whatever they are telling their players needs to be changed up.

Speaking of assistants, we dearly need to hang onto Enright as I genuinely think he'll be our next senior coach.

And also speaking of people to hang onto. We really really need to hang onto Battle.

It's hard to know how they're going from the stands, you hear Harvs should be culled a lot but are the terrible inside 50's his fault or Goddards or just the list?
I'm sure Ross is getting involved pretty heavily with all line coaches with the current state of play, hopefully he can sort it out and sack whoever needs the arse and/or tweak the game plan to get a better return from what we have.
Butler & Higgins missing half the games hasn't helped and I don't feel like our (tall) forward set-up has done much for our pressure in their absence.

 

[stavro#4]

The list was good enough to get with in a game of 8th spot with injuries under Ratts and play finals the next year. To me the list has actually significantly improved since then but still lacks depth in the midfield. I'd say this is the most disappointing season in ages as far as results go and on top of that we are playing such a depressing style of footy it's hard to feel any enthusiasm for the future.

It probably isn't as bad as it all looks but talk of losing good players and going harder at the draft isn't a positive to me. It's more pain and a a further off horizon. I'd rather be a Hawk right now.

Our start to the year when we had a plethora of injuries will ultimately be what costs us.

No one is advocating letting a good player like Battle go. But we also have no control of the situation.

Like any season, when your club is towards the bottom of the ladder - there is only one glimmer of hope and that’s the draft. It always has been and always will be.

That’s not to say the club thinks, oh **** it let’s rebuild… again. But it could be as simple as a blessing from a bad hand we were dealt.

The worst thing possible is a faint pulse that means we won’t make the finals but sticks us in that 9-12th dead zone.

 

[Saintbloke]

It’s all water under the bridge now, but there was no point in giving Ratten an extension to his contract then giving him the boot- very amateurish. We can only hope we get Enright in the driver’s seat before it’s too late, and let Lyon go back to his retirement

 

[Brian Oblivion]

It’s all water under the bridge now, but there was no point in giving Ratten an extension to his contract then giving him the boot- very amateurish. We can only hope we get Enright in the driver’s seat before it’s too late, and let Lyon go back to his retirement

Respectfully disagree. Ratten’s extension was to give him some encouragement but his and the teams performance in the second half of the 22 season clearly showed to me he wasn’t up to it and there is nothing wrong once you realise that, whenever you do, to cut your losses and make a change. The club has a right to act.

Ratts got a 6 month payout for doing nothing and walked straight into an assistants gig at Norf in 23 - even coaching the seniors when it got too much for his mate Clarko. So I don’t feel sorry for Ratts. It’s a ruthless business or at least it should be, if you're doing it properly. It’s a much more professional environment now.

 

[kernelT]

…he wasn’t up to it and there is nothing wrong once you realise that, whenever you do, to cut your losses and make a change. The club has a right to act.

I guess that's the same deal with anyone, if our quality younger players are still going backwards or asking for trades three years in then we'll need to re-assess the current set-up.
We don't need any knee-jerk sackings but also should avoid the blind faith rhetoric.

 

[True Believer]

It’s all water under the bridge now, but there was no point in giving Ratten an extension to his contract then giving him the boot- very amateurish. We can only hope we get Enright in the driver’s seat before it’s too late, and let Lyon go back to his retirement

I've got to hand it to you, you are relentless.



That's not a compliment.

 

[Saintbloke]

I've got to hand it to you, you are relentless.



That's not a compliment.

Water off a duck's back..been a Saints supporter for way too long, and put up the continual sh*t that this club throws up to the faithful, some of whom lap it all up like gospel, and mate.. enjoy your day.

 

[True Believer]

Water off a duck's back..been a Saints supporter for way too long, and put up the continual sh*t that this club throws up to the faithful, some of whom lap it all up like gospel, and mate.. enjoy your day.

Thank you, I will. Going to put the feet up tonight and watch another promising youngster debut for the Saints from a nice, warm lounge room, with a Balvenie double-wooded on ice.

Despite the obvious drain that following the Saints is causing you, enjoy your day as well........

 

[gringo2011]

Our start to the year when we had a plethora of injuries will ultimately be what costs us.

No one is advocating letting a good player like Battle go. But we also have no control of the situation.

Like any season, when your club is towards the bottom of the ladder - there is only one glimmer of hope and that’s the draft. It always has been and always will be.

That’s not to say the club thinks, oh **** it let’s rebuild… again. But it could be as simple as a blessing from a bad hand we were dealt.

The worst thing possible is a faint pulse that means we won’t make the finals but sticks us in that 9-12th dead zone.

Well as I said you can meet market rates minus what a stay at home player would accept etc.

That's a list managers job to work with the player to make both happy. Not many sides let good players go through FA still.

If we let go the good players we are back rebuilding another line hoping that Schoenmaker, Van Es and Keeler aren't like the last 15 KPs we've drafted and actually make it.

You generally don't improve your list by losing good players. Been saying this for 15 years and every year the club is too smart to listen.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Well as I said you can meet market rates minus what a stay at home player would accept etc.

That's a list managers job to work with the player to make both happy. Not many sides let good players go through FA still.

If we let go the good players we are back rebuilding another line hoping that Schoenmaker, Van Es and Keeler aren't like the last 15 KPs we've drafted and actually make it.

You generally don't improve your list by losing good players. Been saying this for 15 years and every year the club is too smart to listen.

Our issue isn't letting good players go, it's been bringing in better players to replace them.

 

[gringo2011]

Our issue isn't letting good players go, it's been bringing in better players to replace them.

Still the same thing. We can't replace as quickly as we lose them because we never have a surfeit of quality to lose. It's like a problem gambler taking their pay cheque down to the casino.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Respectfully disagree. Ratten’s extension was to give him some encouragement but his and the teams performance in the second half of the 22 season clearly showed to me he wasn’t up to it and there is nothing wrong once you realise that, whenever you do, to cut your losses and make a change. The club has a right to act.

Ratts got a 6 month payout for doing nothing and walked straight into an assistants gig at Norf in 23 - even coaching the seniors when it got too much for his mate Clarko. So I don’t feel sorry for Ratts. It’s a ruthless business or at least it should be, if you're doing it properly. It’s a much more professional environment now.

This.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Still the same thing. We can't replace as quickly as we lose them because we never have a surfeit of quality to lose. It's like a problem gambler taking their pay cheque down to the casino.

Its a bit depressing to think we’re still paying the price for poor drafting & shitty luck from a decade ago.

Its hard to rebuild just through the draft… its harder when you don’t have the tradeable talent to get more quality in.


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[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Jungle drums are beating for Ross with our small turnouts to home games and weekly pressure coming from the media, the general perception is that we are terrible to watch.

His biggest Achilles as a coach has always been scoring which continues to plague him, can he pull a rabbit out of a hat and reignite this group or will die by the sword of defence?

If Battle follows Gresham out the door then we are staring down the barrel of a mini-rebuild while we wait for draftees to come on, how many years of 7 goal games will we see while we keep the faith in Ross?

Discuss.

piss off with this rubbish, pathetic

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Why the hell did Lyon coach Butler to hit a post. Surely it would be easier to kick a goal than hit a post.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

the anti lyoners will be made to look like idiots in a few years

 

[Saintbloke]

the anti lyoners will be made to look like idiots in a few years

I think President Bassat will be the one looking like an idiot.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

the anti lyoners will be made to look like idiots in a few years

I think President Bassat will be the one looking like an idiot.

 

[dropbear101]

I actually think keep him.

freo currently have what i consider our most talented list. half assembled by ross. hes developed a lot of guns. brayshaw, cerra, darcy, pearce, luke ryan, cox, langdon, lachie neale

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Lachie Neale

Age

31

Ht

178cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.0

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

15.5

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.7

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

28.3

5star

K

13.9

5star

HB

14.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

7.4

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

, fyfe, walters, shultz etc were all developed by ross. contained in that list is a lot of all australians. 4 brownlows.
your best talent is either mid-career or very young. he will keep a culture of hard work and defensive ethic. let him do the rebuild. replace him after.

however, over time he creates a culture of yes men. so, replace him once the rebuild is complete.

 

[Murraj1966]

You either believe Ross is shit or the list is shit

I’m firmly in the list is shit camp because if Brisbane won clearance 13-1 in Q1 they would’ve smoked us even harder but we couldn’t use it

Fix our midfield and it’s a whole different proposition

 

[Jade Buddha]

Seriously! Quoting Ben Dixon

Ben Dixon

Age

47

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.8

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.4

3star

G

1.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.4

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.4

5star

, Brad Johnson

Brad Johnson

Age

48

Ht

182cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

14.1

5star

HB

5.6

4star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.5

5star

No current season stats available

D

12.8

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

2.6

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.6

3star

and Kane Crones. These 3 are journalistically and cognitively challenged. All 3 are total scatter brains.
FM I’d rather quote Donald Trump if I was making an argument.

 

[Sully111]

You either believe Ross is shit or the list is shit

I’m firmly in the list is shit camp because if Brisbane won clearance 13-1 in Q1 they would’ve smoked us even harder but we couldn’t use it

Fix our midfield and it’s a whole different proposition

Don't agree it has to be either or.

Our list has deficiencies but our coaching group haven't been getting the best out of the current group of players.

It doesn't mean either is shit.

 

[Verdun]

the anti lyoners will be made to look like idiots in a few years

I am not 'anti Lyon' but I would say I am yet to be convinced. Lot more comfortable after the game last night than ironically a win the week before. Also liked his press conference. Did not get the rapture on here when we nabbed him as coach but I will reserve my judegement.

I understand where we are at list wise and having NWM out last night highted again what we need classy disposers of the ball and midfielders.

We need to be able develop the kids we have ie Windhager, Phillipou, NWM, Wilson, Garcia, Owens, Ari, Hastie is good bunch of kids. We need Battle, Row, Steele, Sinc etc to be able to support this transition. Have been let down by injuries with Crouch, Howard and Hayes but should be able to deal with that.

Not one of the camp who thinks Ross is the messiah and I hope my cynicism re his coaching is proven wrong in the next few years.

Crucial draft trade period coming up for us again this year, have done well the last year or two but still paying for the busts before that.

 

[kernelT]

I am not 'anti Lyon' but I would say I am yet to be convinced. Lot more comfortable after the game last night than ironically a win the week before. Also liked his press conference. Did not get the rapture on here when we nabbed him as coach but I will reserve my judegement.

I understand where we are at list wise and having NWM out last night highted again what we need classy disposers of the ball and midfielders.

We need to be able develop the kids we have ie Windhager, Phillipou, NWM, Wilson, Garcia, Owens, Ari, Hastie is good bunch of kids. We need Battle, Row, Steele, Sinc etc to be able to support this transition. Have been let down by injuries with Crouch, Howard and Hayes but should be able to deal with that.

Not one of the camp who thinks Ross is the messiah and I hope my cynicism re his coaching is proven wrong in the next few years.

Crucial draft trade period coming up for us again this year, have done well the last year or two but still paying for the busts before that.

Well said Verdun, beat me to it.

I'm not anti-lyon either, not every opinion can be boiled down to a binary for or against.

I'm anti garbage football.

The list is middling with obvious deficiencies, but it's not 7-goals-a-week-terrible either.

Lyon is a smart fella, I'm sure he's working hard to get us kicking a few more goals.