Roast Ross Lyon: Man on the plank.

[pluggeranddoc]

Wonder if Port would do a straight swap for Hinkley?
Even in their worst defeat they posted a score we can only dream of!

 

[SG34]

Perhaps we can agree, it was a long Spring of optimism starting in Oct 22, and the last puddle of spring rain has evaporated.

But now we are back to square one, I think it’s kinda good that RTB is our coach.
Edit: I think he should stick to his guns.

 

[Saintbloke]

Rome wasn’t built in a day.
Yea I know, we’ve been waiting for decades, but you can only judge Ross on 1 and a half seasons.

Agree with your last sentence.

Dunno, our team stats in the comp in various areas are heading down, we are not playing a good brand of football, and right now at a pretty low ebb down the bottom end of the ladder. If Lyon was manager in business, he would have got the flick on that kind of outcome- as a coach in 2024 he is no better than Ratten who wasn't great, but he is no upgrade, and the further behind a club gets, the harder it is to turn around ,and Lyon wont be the man who does it.

 

[SG34]

Dunno, our team stats in the comp in various areas are heading down, we are not playing a good brand of football, and right now at a pretty low ebb down the bottom end of the ladder. If Lyon was manager in business, he would have got the flick on that kind of outcome- as a coach in 2024 he is no better than Ratten who wasn't great, but he is no upgrade, and the further behind a club gets, the harder it is to turn around ,and Lyon wont be the man who does it.

I disagree., well, in so far as the Lyon regime is better than the Ratts regime. (Man-for-man, that’s a different convo)
Ratts regime…was too nice and uncompetitive- crimes include letting our spare full back Nathan Brown walk mid season when he had signed on fully knowing he’d be a spare man in the seconds. When Jake Carlisle goes home for baby, we are left with no big defender…and it is a semifinal…I know it is subjective, but I just can’t see that happening in a Ross Lyon camp. Seb Ross also walks before a crucial game against Sydney. Which we narrowly lost. Again, can’t see it happening under RTB.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Dunno, our team stats in the comp in various areas are heading down, we are not playing a good brand of football, and right now at a pretty low ebb down the bottom end of the ladder. If Lyon was manager in business, he would have got the flick on that kind of outcome- as a coach in 2024 he is no better than Ratten who wasn't great, but he is no upgrade, and the further behind a club gets, the harder it is to turn around ,and Lyon wont be the man who does it.

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[True Believer]

Lyon is the retiree who had a lot of money thrown at him- he coaches like it's 2010

The first part is irrelevant.

The second part is bollocks....

 

[ScrappyDo]

Dunno, our team stats in the comp in various areas are heading down, we are not playing a good brand of football, and right now at a pretty low ebb down the bottom end of the ladder. If Lyon was manager in business, he would have got the flick on that kind of outcome- as a coach in 2024 he is no better than Ratten who wasn't great, but he is no upgrade, and the further behind a club gets, the harder it is to turn around ,and Lyon wont be the man who does it.

Difference is Ratten thought everything was going well, and Lyon says the opposite.

 

[gringo2011]

Rome wasn’t built in a day.
Yea I know, we’ve been waiting for decades, but you can only judge Ross on 1 and a half seasons.

Agree with your last sentence.

Same with Ratts is the point. Nearly identical form lines. One good season but Ratts won his final. A bit of an injury disappointment follow up. I'm not saying we should sack Lyon but we turned quick on Ratts and the master coach has hardly come in and sprinkled fairy dust on us. I used to crack the shits because Ratts couldn't;t get our forward line transition functioning.

New coach, new players and same shit but somehow even more boring to watch until last week where we lost in a more exciting way than usual. I might shit people off but only because I set high standards that I expect a pro sports club to have as a baseline.

I championed Lyon's appointment and think he's structured up a footy department that looks AFL standard for the first time in...... maybe forever. I still expect him to be maximising performance and guiding the youth. If he doesn't do it to a standard he should under the same pressure as any other coach.

 

[SG34]

Remember the Ratts mid-season re-appointment? I was livid. Shouldn't have happened. How did t happen?

 

[austinnn]

I disagree., well, in so far as the Lyon regime is better than the Ratts regime. (Man-for-man, that’s a different convo)
Ratts regime…was too nice and uncompetitive- crimes include letting our spare full back Nathan Brown walk mid season when he had signed on fully knowing he’d be a spare man in the seconds. When Jake Carlisle goes home for baby, we are left with no big defender…and it is a semifinal…I know it is subjective, but I just can’t see that happening in a Ross Lyon camp. Seb Ross also walks before a crucial game against Sydney. Which we narrowly lost. Again, can’t see it happening under RTB.

Tim Membrey Elimination final?

 

[Saints43]

Remember the Ratts mid-season re-appointment? I was livid. Shouldn't have happened. How did t happen?

I suppose it was an opportunity to say to a coach 'you can make your own decisions and be master of your own destiny' while watching how it panned out, while watching the market for replacements if required, while knowing the pay out if sacked was exactly the same amount as his wages when recontracred.

 

[Saintbloke]

The first part is irrelevant.

The second part is bollocks....

Ok..

 

[BrutThough]

I disagree., well, in so far as the Lyon regime is better than the Ratts regime. (Man-for-man, that’s a different convo)
Ratts regime…was too nice and uncompetitive- crimes include letting our spare full back Nathan Brown walk mid season when he had signed on fully knowing he’d be a spare man in the seconds. When Jake Carlisle goes home for baby, we are left with no big defender…and it is a semifinal…I know it is subjective, but I just can’t see that happening in a Ross Lyon camp. Seb Ross also walks before a crucial game against Sydney. Which we narrowly lost. Again, can’t see it happening under RTB.

I'd hope Ross had evolved like most of society to be understanding about family issues during covid lockdowns and realise that's way more important than a game of football.

 

[SG34]

I'd hope Ross had evolved like most of society to be understanding about family issues during covid lockdowns and realise that's way more important than a game of football.

St Kilda was obviously extremely unlucky to be the only team affected by Covid.
Uncompetitive.
You get the respect you demand.
That’s what I heard.
Just saying.

Now, if St Kilda is in the compassion business I agree, we are the best candidate to be compassionate.
Especially, given our handouts.
Don’t expect to win.
Often.

 

[BrutThough]

St Kilda was obviously extremely unlucky to be the only team affected by Covid.
Uncompetitive.
You get the respect you demand.
That’s what I heard.
Just saying.

Now, if St Kilda is in the compassion business I agree, we are the best candidate to be compassionate.
Especially, given our handouts.
Don’t expect to win.
Often.

You do realise other clubs also worked around personal issues during the hub situation.

I don't know what decade you are living in if you think we'd be respected for preventing players from being present at their birth of their child or for keeping them locked in states away from their children while the are struggling but thankfully, most of society has progressed beyond it.

 

[SteeleSaints]

After last season I thought Lyon was the man to take us to finally break our drought. But I get the feeling he is not as loved by our current list as he was by the senior group back in 2009 etc. Perhaps his coaching style is not as well received in 2024?

 

[littlecreatures]

It would be deflating if you’re in the 26+ age range knowing this group hasn’t cut the mustard and won’t be around when this club moves forward. Perhaps there’s some truth to prior reports in terms of players like Steele pushing back to Rat because they had been drinking their own bath water.

It’s pretty clear the younger core of players (Mitchito, Windy, Pou, Wilson, NAS, Henry, etc) is where this list is at, once they all hit 23-25 that’s when we’ll really move forward, and players like Marshall, Steele, etc will realistically be transitioning out.

Ro I’d be a little more worried about, as we don’t have another ruck ready to take the reins, that said he’s contracted and it’d need to be a huge offer.

 

[kernelT]

It would be deflating if you’re in the 26+ age range knowing this group hasn’t cut the mustard and won’t be around when this club moves forward. Perhaps there’s some truth to prior reports in terms of players like Steele pushing back to Rat because they had been drinking their own bath water.

It’s pretty clear the younger core of players (Mitchito, Windy, Pou, Wilson, NAS, Henry, etc) is where this list is at, once they all hit 23-25 that’s when we’ll really move forward, and players like Marshall, Steele, etc will realistically be transitioning out.

Ro I’d be a little more worried about, as we don’t have another ruck ready to take the reins, that said he’s contracted and it’d need to be a huge offer.

We say the same thing about 'our core' every 3-4 years and means we're in a perpetual cycle of rebuilds.

Look at the last couple of flags - heaps of players in the 28 - 30+ range.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Remember the Ratts mid-season re-appointment? I was livid. Shouldn't have happened. How did t happen?

It was Finnis' parting legacy decision.

 

[Brian Oblivion]

It was Finnis' parting legacy decision.

Think it was the Prez actually.

 

[SG34]

You do realise other clubs also worked around personal issues during the hub situation.

I don't know what decade you are living in if you think we'd be respected for preventing players from being present at their birth of their child or for keeping them locked in states away from their children while the are struggling but thankfully, most of society has progressed beyond it.

I don’t have any opinion about it at all. And I have absolutely no inside knowledge of the personal struggles and sacrifices of anyone. And you have misrepresented me, in addition to playing the man and not the ball.

Of course Jake coming back for the birth of his child is unquestionably his right and a matter of course. Ditto Ross.
Ross wasn’t going back for a birth. He’d already had a game off for that.
Jake went back as he should. But where was our backup fullback, for our semi final?
Gone. Walked.
As I said, ‘uncompetitive’

I am just calling it from where I see it, as we all can and as we do.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Think it was the Prez actually.

My mail was Satan was against it.

Finnis pushed hard & got his way.

Prez wasn't quite ready to put his foot down.

 

[gringo2011]

We say the same thing about 'our core' every 3-4 years and means we're in a perpetual cycle of rebuilds.

Look at the last couple of flags - heaps of players in the 28 - 30+ range.

Not many kids come in and dominate either. Sinclair seemed to be mid 20s when he hit his straps.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Not many kids come in and dominate either. Sinclair seemed to be mid 20s when he hit his straps.

Hawks managed to trade Kennedy before he became one of the best mids in the game.

 

[Saint Watto]

Enright is the only one of the 3 assistants who should be safe

I don't think it was an amazing Coincidence that Enright was the only assistant to survive the "great purge of 2022"

In fact.....I'm tipping that he'll be sitting in "the big chair" when RTB finishes up.