ROUND 1

[Thatsmyname]

I also like the move. Think he would be better defensively than Leon, but Leon’s foot skills were elite.

I don't think he's got the speed anymore, Leon was still lightning when he went back, think we need to push a Q before Varcs if we want to improve

 

[ClaytonM]

I don't think he's got the speed anymore, Leon was still lightning when he went back, think we need to push a Q before Varcs if we want to improve

Q is obviously the future and if his form is good you would picK him over Varcoe. But I think Varcoe provides a viable option and if form warrants should be picked. Hopefully Q’s form is irresistible, if not at the start of year, by mid year.

 

[jackcass]

I also like the move. Think he would be better defensively than Leon, but Leon’s foot skills were elite.

Not much between them defensively I'd have thought with Leon slightly ahead and a better contested mark. Varcoe has been played at HBF previously with mixed success. Get's caught out with the high footy coming in because he struggles to lift his arms above shoulder height but stronger on ground ball contested stuff.

 

[Thatsmyname]

Sen

Quaynor Roughy Howe
Maynard Moore Crispy

Grundy Pendlebury Treloar
Adams Sidebottom Phillips

Mihocek Kelly Stevo
De Goey Cox Elliott

Sier WHE C Brown Daicos


Res

Varcoe Keane Appleby
Noble Madgen Ruscoe

Lynch Brown Rantall
Mayne Wills Murphy

Wilson Tohill Thomas
Cameron Reid Bianco


Int/Inj

Bosenavulagi Scharenberg Broomhead Greenwood Langdon Beams Dunn*

 

[Maggie5]

Round 1?

Can't wait.

That's it.

 

[35Daicos]

Sen

Quaynor Roughy Howe
Maynard Moore Crispy

Grundy Pendlebury Treloar
Adams Sidebottom Phillips

Mihocek Kelly Stevo
De Goey Cox Elliott

Sier WHE C Brown Daicos


Res

Madgen Keane Dunn
Appleby Kelly Ruscoe

Lynch T Brown Wills
Mayne Rantall Noble

Murphy Wilson Thomas
Varcoe Cameron Bianco


Interchange/Unavailable

Bosenavulagi Tohill B Reid Langdon Beams Scharenberg Broomhead Greenwood

One Kelly too many?!

 

[Thatsmyname]

One Kelly too many?!

Yep dammit, Reidy takes FF in the magoos

 

[Soups]

Sen

Quaynor Roughy Howe
Maynard Moore Crispy

Grundy Pendlebury Treloar
Adams Sidebottom Phillips

Mihocek Kelly Stevo
De Goey Cox Elliott

Sier WHE C Brown Daicos


Res

Varcoe Keane Appleby
Ruscoe Madgen Noble

Lynch Brown Rantall
Mayne Wills Murphy

Wilson Tohill Thomas
Cameron Reid Bianco


Int/Inj

Bosenavulagi Scharenberg Broomhead Greenwood Langdon Beams Dunn*

I’d be surprised to see Daicos in there round 1. Thomas will be in there before him imo.

 

[Thatsmyname]

I’d be surprised to see Daicos in there round 1. Thomas will be in there before him imo.

I reckon Daics is the sleeper, was starting to get the ball a bit late last year before the inevitable injury curse got him, but yeah JT has first crack

 

[Nuwanda]

I’d like to see us try Madgen on a wing. The guy is strong and can take a grab. His pace isn’t too bad and he could be a difficult player to match up. He can’t play defense. Keeps getting caught off guard by the forwards. But I think he has the attributes be a weapon.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

I’d be surprised to see Daicos in there round 1. Thomas will be in there before him imo.

Agree with Thomas being there come round 1. Also don't think Sier plays round 1, want to see him get a few VFL games into him, after a very disappointing 2019. Can see Wills or Mayne playing ahead of Sier.
In saying that l am a huge Sier fan, and if he can get that 2018 form back, he will be a regular as the season goes on.

 

[Soups]

Agree with Thomas being there come round 1. Also don't think Sier plays round 1, want to see him get a few VFL games into him, after a very disappointing 2019. Can see Wills or Mayne playing ahead of Sier.
In saying that l am a huge Sier fan, and if he can get that 2018 form back, he will be a regular as the season goes on.

Seems to have come back in pretty good nick so far. I think if he continues and plays well in the pre season games he’ll find himself starting. Keeping him fit will be the key.

 

[jmac70]

Marvel stadium for round 1 is an abomination. I’ll be watching from my couch.

 

[Jelly Bean]

I’d like to see us try Madgen on a wing. The guy is strong and can take a grab. His pace isn’t too bad and he could be a difficult player to match up. He can’t play defense. Keeps getting caught off guard by the forwards. But I think he has the attributes be a weapon.

I don't see a single quality that Madgen has that would translate to being a wingman.

No evidence of being able to get midfield ball (loose or contested), not ability to be part of possession chains and on the end of handball recieves or running to space, poor speed, poor endurance, poor skills. No evidence of being able to find the ball. I also don't think he can really take a grab, although that isn't really even a requirement for a strong wingman anyway.

I'd prefer to use the wings for midfield-types who can get 20-15 higher quality possessions and be links from defence an attack, and/or future mids who can get game time without yet being ready for the guts. Phillips, Sidebottom, Adams, Pendles, Treloar (when not on ball), Daicos, Mayne, Sier, Brown, even Rantall, Maynard, Crisp, etc. And there are probably 10 others I'd play on the wing before him.

 

[Lime22]

It would be good if one of the draftees made his debut. Rantall keeps winning the time trial but I think that Bianco might surprise and end up playing first.

 

[Nuwanda]

It would be good if one of the draftees made his debut. Rantall keeps winning the time trial but I think that Bianco might surprise and end up playing first.

We have a good record with later picks. Maybe Ruscoe surprises and plays AFL footy before the other 2.

 

[Nuwanda]

I don't see a single quality that Madgen has that would translate to being a wingman.

No evidence of being able to get midfield ball (loose or contested), not ability to be part of possession chains and on the end of handball recieves or running to space, poor speed, poor endurance, poor skills. No evidence of being able to find the ball. I also don't think he can really take a grab, although that isn't really even a requirement for a strong wingman anyway.

I'd prefer to use the wings for midfield-types who can get 20-15 higher quality possessions and be links from defence an attack, and/or future mids who can get game time without yet being ready for the guts. Phillips, Sidebottom, Adams, Pendles, Treloar (when not on ball), Daicos, Mayne, Sier, Brown, even Rantall, Maynard, Crisp, etc. And there are probably 10 others I'd play on the wing before him.

I think you are being a little harsh. He has been in the system for 2 years and has played basically at full back. He definitely isn’t a full back.
He has a leap, size and strength. I don’t think he is slow. I think he doesn’t watch his man at full back and so is often caught flat footed. Probably needs to develop a tank.
Why couldn’t he be a link between defense and forward? If the ball gets kicked out to the wing and he is one-on-one, he could have an advantage in the air.

Anyway, it’s looking at something different and obviously a trial in the VFL. It couldn’t hurt. Maybe it doesn’t work out. But really you are never going to know unless you are willing to try something different.

 

[jackcass]

I don't see a single quality that Madgen has that would translate to being a wingman.

No evidence of being able to get midfield ball (loose or contested), not ability to be part of possession chains and on the end of handball recieves or running to space, poor speed, poor endurance, poor skills. No evidence of being able to find the ball. I also don't think he can really take a grab, although that isn't really even a requirement for a strong wingman anyway.

I'd prefer to use the wings for midfield-types who can get 20-15 higher quality possessions and be links from defence an attack, and/or future mids who can get game time without yet being ready for the guts. Phillips, Sidebottom, Adams, Pendles, Treloar (when not on ball), Daicos, Mayne, Sier, Brown, even Rantall, Maynard, Crisp, etc. And there are probably 10 others I'd play on the wing before him.

Hmmm, interesting. Happy to play Mayne on a wing yet don't see wing traits in Madge. I'd say they're very similar in terms of what they'd bring to the position only Madge is quicker, taller, and more intent in taking the game on. Mayne clearly has senior experience in the position which gets him the nod.

 

[Horaceg]

Round 1 vs Western Bulldogs

B: Jeremy Howe - Jordan Roughead - Matthew Scharenberg
HB: Jack Crisp - Darcy Moore - Brayden Maynard
C: Tom Phillips - Scott Pendlebury - Steele Sidebottom
HF: Jamie Elliott - Brody Mihocek - Chris Mayne
F: Jaidyn Stephenson - Mason Cox - Will Hoskin-Elliott
R: Brodie Grundy - Taylor Adams - Jordan De Goey
I: Adam Treloar - Callum Brown - Josh Thomas - John Noble

E: Isaac Quaynor - Ben Reid - Rupert Wills - Travis Varcoe

Unavailable: Tom Langdon, Dayne Beams, Levi Greenwood

Without the preseason games to guide us, this team looks on the mark.

 

[Johno9911]

I think you are being a little harsh. He has been in the system for 2 years and has played basically at full back. He definitely isn’t a full back.
He has a leap, size and strength. I don’t think he is slow. I think he doesn’t watch his man at full back and so is often caught flat footed. Probably needs to develop a tank.
Why couldn’t he be a link between defense and forward? If the ball gets kicked out to the wing and he is one-on-one, he could have an advantage in the air.

Anyway, it’s looking at something different and obviously a trial in the VFL. It couldn’t hurt. Maybe it doesn’t work out. But really you are never going to know unless you are willing to try something different.

I like the idea of moving one of our HB types up the ground as a mid, but not sure Madge would be the one I would lean for. Granted I agree with you that he doesn't look like a best 22 KPD, but I don't mind him developing, and being a back up option if and when injuries rise.

Of our current backs I think any of Maynard, Crisp (granted we know he was a mid previously), Shaz or Quaynor would be the best fits to move up the ground. I'd be hesitant on moving Maynard, as he would be a more contested, "in and under type mid", of which we already have the likes of Adams, Sier, Wills and even JDG when he is in there, and Crisp I think will remain as the rebounding HBF, a role he excels at (and in many eyes is actually at, without getting enough credit for).

That leaves Shaz and IQ in my opinion as the best options to move up the ground. Myself and others have raised Shaz moving to a wing in the past, where he's defensive mindset would help balance our more attacking minded mids, and he is elite ball use would also be a big asset for us up the ground. IQ is a bit more a speedy running option, which I also don't mind. He'd a more physical/contested type mid compared to Shaz or Phillips, but also has the pace and run to break the lines higher up the ground.

 

[Nuwanda]

I like the idea of moving one of our HB types up the ground as a mid, but not sure Madge would be the one I would lean for. Granted I agree with you that he doesn't look like a best 22 KPD, but I don't mind him developing, and being a back up option if and when injuries rise.

Of our current backs I think any of Maynard, Crisp (granted we know he was a mid previously), Shaz or Quaynor would be the best fits to move up the ground. I'd be hesitant on moving Maynard, as he would be a more contested, "in and under type mid", of which we already have the likes of Adams, Sier, Wills and even JDG when he is in there, and Crisp I think will remain as the rebounding HBF, a role he excels at (and in many eyes is actually at, without getting enough credit for).

That leaves Shaz and IQ in my opinion as the best options to move up the ground. Myself and others have raised Shaz moving to a wing in the past, where he's defensive mindset would help balance our more attacking minded mids, and he is elite ball use would also be a big asset for us up the ground. IQ is a bit more a speedy running option, which I also don't mind. He'd a more physical/contested type mid compared to Shaz or Phillips, but also has the pace and run to break the lines higher up the ground.

Fair enough. I just worry that Shaz doesn’t seem to have the penetration in his kicking and our forward line looks so much better when we get the ball in quickly.
I agree we need to keep Maynard in defense where he is playing great footy. Also Crisp off half back is important in running the ball out as well.

 

[Johno9911]

Fair enough. I just worry that Shaz doesn’t seem to have the penetration in his kicking and our forward line looks so much better when we get the ball in quickly.
I agree we need to keep Maynard in defense where he is playing great footy. Also Crisp off half back is important in running the ball out as well.

Yeah his kicking might not be the most attacking, in terms of getting the ball in quick, however he can certainly hit up a leading target I think, which with natural leading forwards like JDG and Elliot and even Cox to an extent, suits our forwards fine as well. At worst I wouldn't mind his general field kicking, hitting the obvious 'safe' target at times has proven tricky to some of our other mids.

In regards to Maynard and Crisp, I agree that part of my reason for preferring Shaz or IQ, is because of how good Maynard and Crispy are at the role they play.

 

[OniAu]

I think you are being a little harsh. He has been in the system for 2 years and has played basically at full back. He definitely isn’t a full back.
He has a leap, size and strength. I don’t think he is slow. I think he doesn’t watch his man at full back and so is often caught flat footed. Probably needs to develop a tank.
Why couldn’t he be a link between defense and forward? If the ball gets kicked out to the wing and he is one-on-one, he could have an advantage in the air.

Anyway, it’s looking at something different and obviously a trial in the VFL. It couldn’t hurt. Maybe it doesn’t work out. But really you are never going to know unless you are willing to try something different.

I dont think its harsh at all. Madgen was under whelming in the backline. Happy to be proven wrong , but i feel we have many more players ahead of him that could play a great wing role. Stephenson, Maynard, Quaynor. We let Aish go who seemed made for the wing.

Sidey, Phillips have the wing positions locked in currently . Madgen doesnt get near them

 

[Nuwanda]

I dont think its harsh at all. Madgen was under whelming in the backline. Happy to be proven wrong , but i feel we have many more players ahead of him that could play a great wing role. Stephenson, Maynard, Quaynor. We let Aish go who seemed made for the wing.

Sidey, Phillips have the wing positions locked in currently . Madgen doesnt get near them

Yeah I understand but I didn’t mean round 1. My view was about seeing whether they can give him some game time in the VFL to learn that position. It will be his 3rd year actually playing AFL football so who knows he may have some upside in a position other then FB which I agree he was very ordinary at. Otherwise why are we keeping him on the list if we are bringing Dunne in? How much depth do we want for 1 position?

 

[Scodog10]

It’s backline or bust for Madge, IMO. In general I think some of the criticism levelled at him is unfair, but he doesn’t have midfield or forward potential.