Autopsy Round 10, 2020: Gold Coast v St.Kilda *RYDER 250TH*

[PostmanBish]

You know, I almost wrote that down at halftime, felt that the bounce of the ball was not really favouring us.
Glad to see a 250 gamer agrees with me

I said to my wife at one point that we were having a shocking run with the bounce of the ball - and we needed a bit of luck to go our way later in the game (which it did, eventually)

 

[AirWinmar]

I hate it, you would be better of waiting for someone else to pick it up. You reward the player standing back. Fiora would have ben a champion in today's game.

Drives me mad to, can't understand why they are doing it. Last game they weren't hot on it and now they are. Drove me nuts the commentators connecting it to high scoring as well. We've been high scoring all season ffs they only did this the last few weeks.

 

[Masquerade]

What do people make of the way we are setting up in the forward line in recent matches?

I remember, when we were playing back in Victoria, commentators pointed out how we were trying to isolate all our forwards 1-on-1 and confuse the opposition defence. [see Richmond match for a good example of this]. Whereas now it's more creating big packs up forward and looking for our crumbers to score or get out the back. Dew made a good observation of how he spent a while planning to stop us doing this.

 

[Munga]

Decision against Howard in the 2nd quarter was one of the worst ever made. Junior umpire overruled two umpires with GF experience from 100 metres away because of no to minimal contact.

Hodge said Howard making contact is great and how to defend but he needed to get back to the ball. Watching it live I thought King pinned Howard's arm so he couldn't get to the ball! I'll have to watch it again.

 

[AirWinmar]

I thought the Howard decision was justifiable but it was made to look worse when Ben King hooked his arm so he had no chance of getting back to mark the ball. But if they’re paying that there was one where Gresham tried to kick long to Ryder. The ball is dropping short and Collins is blocking him with both arms out and the ball falls 3m short of them both. Then he pays a free to Collins for who knows what as they chase the ball to the boundary.

For me it looked like Howard misread the flight of the ball. Looked like he eyes were on it the whole time

 

[AirWinmar]

More thoughts on last nights game, there was a clear plan B when the game shifted. How we scored in the first half was so different then how we did in the second. Ratts and Dew were like chess players last night, adapting, to each shift in control and planning when to stick to the plan and when to mix it up. If it was Richo I assume we would've stuck with the one plan all night. It's nice to see us be able to adapt this year, it's really been something that we've lacked for awhile.

This is so true, was very noticeable last night. In the 2nd half we started chipping it around the outside and then using different players to come through the centre from behind the ball. That play I think it was Wilkie to Members to King to Battle to goal. Awesome

 

[Human Person]

For me it looked like Howard misread the flight of the ball. Looked like he eyes were on it the whole time

Not accusing Bing of that, but I wonder if that's a flaw with non-adjudicating umpires being able to call it from down field. What if, hypothetically, the closer umpire noticed grabbing by both of them after the hit and though, "Doing it to eachother, playon" and the umpire from further down only saw the first action so called the free. The closer umpire can't then reverse it and say "no I was right, lets do a ball up instead because the play has stopped."

 

[tomjoad]

Hunter Clark is going to be our new Robert Harvey. Same humble demeanor, same ice cold class in the heat of battle, same evasiveness. Wait til we let him rip in the midfield properly and he starts getting more shots on goal.

We are watching a legend being formed.

That last 5 mins - we have watched the Saints play for years and seen our players always turn the ball over in congestion because we wanted fast movement. Not Hunter Clark. We have been crying out for someone like this since Lenny retired.

Remember his roles in these matches, you'll be describing them to people in the future.

He's got all the tools to be a Lenny/Harvey hybrid.
The thing I love about him is that he looks slow and almost heavy in his movements, yet it somehow makes time bend around him to the point where he can weave through traffic and calculate a pass, whilst leaving the opposition clutching at straws.
He is a very smooth operator.

 

[tomjoad]

Rankine is clearly loaded with talent and is already having a real impact but the gushing from Bruce and co is already tiresome. He lays a normal tackle and gets raved about. There's also zero balance. The Battle goal in the last qtr comes from a Coffield intercept mark where Rankine is his direct opponent. Rankine lets Coffield fly unopposed to take an uncontested mark and Coff kicks it to Battle. No mention of Rankine's error from the commentarors.

Bruce's on air open orgasm when Rankine kicked a goal in the last quarter was an (hilarious) disgrace for which he should be outright suspended or arrested for...kids watch the game for Christ's sake.
It brings the game into disrepute.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Not accusing Bing of that, but I wonder if that's a flaw with non-adjudicating umpires being able to call it from down field. What if, hypothetically, the closer umpire noticed grabbing by both of them after the hit and though, "Doing it to eachother, playon" and the umpire from further down only saw the first action so called the free. The closer umpire can't then reverse it and say "no I was right, lets do a ball up instead because the play has stopped."

If the downfield umpire thinks theres a free he should use those microphones they have to communicate with each other.

 

[Munga]

After watching the replay it was amazing how many times we won the ball at a centre bounce only to have the kick or handless deflected straight to one of the GC mids.

I think Paddy even mentioned that it seemed nothing was going our way.

Same thing last week except at centre clearances we kept kicking it into our own man!

 

[Yawkey way]

I came in late in the first quarter of the replay and whilst the defence is zoning long is Definitely not standing sexton.

Four times he’s tracking or competing with Ainsworth, twice with Holman and whilst sexton is in the general area a couple of times the only guy standing shoulder to shoulder with him twice is Wilkie. Long is shown shoulder to shoulder with Ainsworth set up waiting for a centre bounce late in the second quarter where bruce comments on Ainsworth.

I’m off to do a few things but given we hear brown swapping longy off Ainsworth late, imo it’s a massive stretch to claim he did a job on sexton. At about 13.44 left in the third longy hung out to dry by a lousy hand pass from hill but gives up a stupid tripping free.

Really it looks like it just wasn’t his night at this point rather than him being awful he’s just getting beaten. Ok leaving with just under 8 minutes to play in the third and he’s laid a decent tackle attempt on Ellis.

PS. Drifted back in and late in one passage he competes with and is running with sexton. There are so many rotations that players are required to chop and change. He picks up a bog standard chain possession again it’s really just not his night with 3 quarters down. I’d be very surprised if he’s dropped and doubt he’d be under much pressure for not getting big numbers, clearly that wasn’t his role last night.

 

[gringo2011]

Witts second best on is a weird one, maybe Ratts making a point/not happy with Marshall and Ryder? Can't say I noticed him much. Billings was exceptional too. I would have had Butler, Billings, Miller clear top 3

He certainly gave them first use and had the better of 2 very good rucks.

 

[From 45]

You are very lenient. He had 3 marks and 5 possessions. He got 9 AF points. Each mark and possession gets points, you lose points for errors. To get that low he must have had very few effective disposals and the next worst player on the ground was 17 ahead of him and had 4 more possessions and he was an 18 year old kid in his first game. Sexton isn't the player he was 12 months ago, I doubt very much we left every other player on the ground unchecked and put a hard tag on Sexton.

I didn't really notice him even playing, the one play I remember he cannoned into the back of a player up on the wing and spoiled a mark, it looked frustrated and close to a free kick. I like Long but anyone that thought he played a good game is not using critical thinking. We all do it, you decide you like a player and you can't see a single mistake while others have one or two mistakes and we act like they eat babies. If Seb Ross had had Long's game people would want to burn him on the stake.

I really don't rely on fantasy points or how many stats player gets as that isn't a true reflection of a players performance. A player could have 30 touches and 100% efficiency and supporters would be jizzing all over the place, yet those possessions were nothing possessions that didn't have any impact. Yet that player would score x amount of fantasy points.

And if there was player who had no possessions but tackled and pressured which leads to turnovers, goal assist , score involvement, supporters would say hes no good and he should be dropped.

It's too a simplistic view( I'm not trying to be condescending) just to go by stats and fantasy points to determine if a player had a good performance.

Again not saying Longy had a good performance but what I saw without looking at stats, was he was pretty good defensively by shutting down Sexton . I'm sure Ratts would be happy with his performance.

 

[gringo2011]

I'm really surprised Billings only got votes from 1 coach.

This means Steele moves to outright second on the leaderboard with 44 votes and has polled in 9/10 games - still polling in the most games this year.

He's funny Billings, he seems to do it easily and under no real pressure, He's not overly contested. He can have 30 possessions and you hardly notice him. I thought he was particularly good last night but he wasn't the one doing the heavy lifting when the game needed breaking open so wasn't front of mind.

 

[gringo2011]

I really don't rely on fantasy points or how many stats player gets as that isn't a true reflection of a players performance. A player could have 30 touches and 100% efficiency and supporters would be jizzing all over the place, yet those possessions were nothing possessions that didn't have any impact. Yet that player would score x amount of fantasy points.

And if there was player who had no possessions but tackled and pressured which leads to turnovers, goal assist , score involvement, supporters would say hes no good and he should be dropped.

It's too a simplistic view( I'm not trying to be condescending) just to go by stats and fantasy points to determine if a player had a good performance.

Again not saying Longy had a good performance but what I saw without looking at stats, was he was pretty good defensively by shutting down Sexton . I'm sure Ratts would be happy with his performance.

But he didn't even have a tackle stat recorded. Someone said he was on Sexton but I'm not even sure he was. I heard Tony Brown saying he was moving on to Rankine. It might have been half time. I thought Rankine was pretty invisible for a half then started playing better straight afterwards. I noticed him twice run past a player who goaled. I really can't see how any one can honestly believe that he played well. I give him that he's rusty and probably won't ever play a worse game but there is no way anyone can think Ratts would have been happy with his game unless he's lacking any kind of ability to critically think as well.

People are backing their opinion over their logic. Just to see if I was crazy I rewatched the first quarter. He's only come in about half way through the quarter and stuffed up everything he touched. Looks loose on a wing with no opponent.

 

[CursingFijian]

True, and take what I say with a grain of salt cause it's based on personal observation and opinion which as we all know is unreliable, but I think there's a big difference between one-on-one contested footy and the in-and-under contested footy when the ball is in dispute. Steele and Jones would have great numbers for beating their man one-on-one, particularly Steele, but it's not the same as say Cripps, Oliver, Greenwood and the Rockcliffe of old who win it in heavy traffic and shoot it out, Steele can do that now and then but, from vision at least, not all game. That's the kind of player who can even the contest when the clearances aren't going our way.

If we can get any A-grader in, then who cares if that's their thing or not, just bring in talent. but if we go the money ball route again, that's what I'd be looking for. That's what Bytel was known for as a junior, so it'd be great if he came good and could be serviceable in that role, but I don't wanna hedge our bets on that given our window may be open against expectations.

Credit where credit was due...Greenwood was exceptional in the clinches against us.

We have a really explosive team with serious scoring power on the fast break. Like Dew said in his post match conference. "Their fall of ball method is really impressive. We knew it was coming. We trained it, talked about it. But it's one thing knowing it. You know they're predictable to themselves, and its pretty impressive how they're playing at the moment. They're playing a great brand."

That power running though must be extremely fatiguing and I worry a little that the shortened breaks will really hamper our ability to continue to be explosive toward the end of quarters and matches in the next two weeks. I think the team is going to have to play more tempo football against Geelong and Essendrugs and we may need to ensure we have a larger endurance running brigade. Phillips, Ross, Geary, possibly even Langlands and McKenzie may be required to make a cameo soon to ensure we don't run out of steam.

We need to remember that the bombers have two games in hand so could potentially be above us on the ladder. That game is going to be massively critical.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

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So both coaches agree that Butler was best on. Both had Steele and Miller for either 3 or 2.

For the more unknowns, I'm going to guess that Ratten gave Greenwood 1 and Dew gave Lukosious 1. Could be wrong but Ratts spoke a fair bit about how we got beaten at stoppages and Greenwood was a big part of that.

Interesting that one coach had Billings as second best on, one had Witts as second best on while the other coach gave them no votes.

That's if my brain is working right.

Yet old mate in the Age gave Bing 6 votes based on his 3 goals


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[Diehard Saint]

Hunter Clark is going to be our new Robert Harvey. Same humble demeanor, same ice cold class in the heat of battle, same evasiveness. Wait til we let him rip in the midfield properly and he starts getting more shots on goal.

We are watching a legend being formed.

That last 5 mins - we have watched the Saints play for years and seen our players always turn the ball over in congestion because we wanted fast movement. Not Hunter Clark. We have been crying out for someone like this since Lenny retired.

Remember his roles in these matches, you'll be describing them to people in the future.

If you listen to his radio interview today ( someone posted it on here a couple of pages back) you’ll find, in the best way possible, that he isn’t as humble and self-effacing as Harves was.

He’s good, he knows he more than belongs and if has any say in it he’ll be in the midfield sooner rather than later. He knows his strengths and wasn’t backward about saying so.

The confidence, without cockiness, was just great to listen to. I loved it.

 

[bird_man]

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So both coaches agree that Butler was best on. Both had Steele and Miller for either 3 or 2.

For the more unknowns, I'm going to guess that Ratten gave Greenwood 1 and Dew gave Lukosious 1. Could be wrong but Ratts spoke a fair bit about how we got beaten at stoppages and Greenwood was a big part of that.

Interesting that one coach had Billings as second best on, one had Witts as second best on while the other coach gave them no votes.

That's if my brain is working right.

Thought Billings's game was better than that. I was expecting to see Butler 10, Billings 8

 

[bird_man]

Just watched the game again.

Sun's really put a lot of effort into Jones. They were blocking his run at every stoppage and really smashing into him every time he got near it. Hopefully that's a good learning curve for him, I doubt he's had to cope with that before.

Billings efforts were so good. If there was one bloke out there just trying to will us over the line it was him.

How the **** did Jobe Watson get a media gig? He really sounds like he's about 4 sandwiches short of a picnic

 

[Diehard Saint]

Last thing about this game.

Anybody else notice the total disrespect of the GC players toward Paddy Ryder.

It has been a thing over the past years that players of both sides line up to honour milestone games.

They just trudged off with a look back. Pretty piss weak but you will hear nothing from the AFL aligned media about their darlings.

Yep, noticed that too.
Pretty poor in my opinion, especially when there were very few spectators left.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Just watched the game again.

Sun's really put a lot of effort into Jones. They were blocking his run at every stoppage and really smashing into him every time he got near it. Hopefully that's a good learning curve for him, I doubt he's had to cope with that before.

Billings efforts were so good. If there was one bloke out there just trying to will us over the line it was him.

How the fu** did Jobe Watson get a media gig? He really sounds like he's about 4 sandwiches short of a picnic

jobe was as dull as they come but he was like commetti compared to James Brayshaw .... Oh my ... for a preson who is paid to talk he certainly fails at it a hell of a lot .... there was the referance to it being "saturday night footy" ..... calling Roma "bruce" .... hes constant attempt to bring in cricket refferances that dont fit the actual moment being discussed ... then at the end of the game saying "after the break we will have all the highlights of the Collingwood vs St Kilda game" .... ummm dud you just spent the entire night calling St Kilda Gold Coast ...
i do think some wires in that brain of his are not connected

 

[Diehard Saint]

Bruce's on air open orgasm when Rankine kicked a goal in the last quarter was an (hilarious) disgrace for which he should be outright suspended or arrested for...kids watch the game for Christ's sake.
It brings the game into disrepute.

It’s cringeworthy and not a little salacious.
I actually can’t listen to him.

 

[triggering bro]

It’s actually cringeworthy and not a little salacious.
I actually can’t listen to him.

He makes my skin crawl. He’s a creep