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will Jack Henry start fwd this week ? hes been shifted around a lot the last couple of weeks.
With sav out he has to play back and with rohan back we dont need him fwd.
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will Jack Henry start fwd this week ? hes been shifted around a lot the last couple of weeks.
Don't think we will win this, but we can, and it will be huge if we do.
Just remember how much their midfield smashed us last year at Docklands. Oddly enough it was Parfitt with a great game of keeping the dam wall from bursting that night. With our midfield as weak as it is now, they could really destroy us there.
If the Dogs use the ball well and hit up leads ~40m out we are seriously cooked. We need a game plan that combines defensive midfield pressure with back half intercepts. And the forwards to make the most of opportunities.
I'm not confident, but we have to have belief.
We played like that for the first 15 minutes or so of the Bulldogs game at KP last year. Smack bang in the middle of our good run of form. (We promptly changed to a higher pressure approach and win comfortably)The recurring nightmare has been watching the ball in opposition hands flying down the length of the ground with every one of our players 12 metres off the pace.
No doubt from the clubs perspective they will be reflecting on Hawthorn and Richmond experiences and trying to apply it to cats. Asking themselves is it irrelevant or a sign post not to ignore. If you get that wrong like Hawthorn (under clarko last couple of years) you fall to bottom for years…Richmond I reckon might go same way. Maybe it was worth the risk because both of them could have snagged one more flag.This is strong logic, as I still think that at full strength our list is good enough to contend in 2024. We won the premiership at an absolute canter only 11 games ago, so it's not delusional to suggest we're capable of bouncing back from this season.
That said, I think the fly in the ointment is that if we miss finals, I'm concerned it may cause several of our older guys to pull the plug on their careers on the basis of thinking that our time in premiership contention is over. Which could become a self-fulfilling prophesy. We need the high-performing 30+ guys like Hawkins and Smith to go around again if we want to bounce back into the flag race, but I reckon it'll be harder to convince them to do so our ladder position screams "falling out of contention" more than it does "genuine 2024 flag contender."
We played like that for the first 15 minutes or so of the Bulldogs game at KP last year. Smack bang in the middle of our good run of form. (We promptly changed to a higher pressure approach and win comfortably)
It's never been a good strategy. So it Saturday and we'll lose by plenty.
I’m not saying tank to improve our draft pick... I’m saying once it gets to the stage that it’s pretty unlikely we will be winning the flag that we move to do things that’ll help us next year more than this year.We arent going to finish bottom 4 and there isnt enough difference between say pick 8 and pick 11 so bother doing that.
As long as we're not throwing away first round picks for guys on the wrong side of 30 (or even 28,29) then we'll be fine.No doubt from the clubs perspective they will be reflecting on Hawthorn and Richmond experiences and trying to apply it to cats. Asking themselves is it irrelevant or a sign post not to ignore. If you get that wrong like Hawthorn (under clarko last couple of years) you fall to bottom for years…Richmond I reckon might go same way. Maybe it was worth the risk because both of them could have snagged one more flag.
for us we have a choice to believe we can snag one more out of this group and take the risk of consequences? Or not risk that complete bottom and begin building youth whilst using the experience we have to accelerate that before they go? Does Tasmania team impact views? Etc. Lots of very hard choices and will be judged in hindsight.
for now they have to have a crack at 23 given we know if everything goes right we can do it with this group. if it becomes impossible they then worry about choices? But for 24 the club will be having very interesting discussions I reckon!
What were your expectations?
Bowes has been pretty good he just needs better durability.
You're forgiven. I'll let you know how we go after this weekend and at the end of the season.Sorry to say it but I think we are done for the year. Even when we get players back they will take a few weeks to find form. We will probably fly home looking like good things beaten but I think after this week finals will be a bridge too far.
Dropping Parfitt does not make a lot of sense when there is no replacement mid for the midfield rotation.
Sorry to say it but I think we are done for the year. Even when we get players back they will take a few weeks to find form. We will probably fly home looking like good things beaten but I think after this week finals will be a bridge too far.
Dropping Parfitt does not make a lot of sense when there is no replacement mid for the midfield rotation.
Assume they have the view that Parf has been given a chance and isn’t up to impacting. With Danger and Guthrie not available they can’t just continue same as last two weeks
They will change it up with Close playing through midfield to inject speed and Knevitt will have a crack inside mid as they have options for wing (Smith, 2E and even O Henry can have a crack now Rohan back)
We can’t beat them in the midfield for talent - in particular inside mids…so need to change it up to have a shot? Could backfire but think we lose until take some risks
Think you could be right on the money, I'm guessing mind set has changed from all in to let's make sure these older guys have got enough in the tank for an all in next year, plus the bonus of getting game time into the kids for added depth. Still reckon they may roll the dice (M. Hardie) if we can scrap into the 8 but we're simply missing to much.I mentioned It last week and I'll say it again.
I wouldn't be disappointed if we started planning for next year and putting things in place to be in better shape to have another crack in 2024 than busting our balls to just scrape into the 8 and not really be a threat (might not even crack the 8 either going full throttle).
Of course, there is the "once in a blue moon" situation where people think we can just do what we did last year and get on a huge roll after the bye with a few guys back in the side, but with Selwood gone, our senior players one year older and the kids just not ready to step up yet... I'm not expecting it to be our year.
Personally, I'd be happy to keep playing the kids.
Fast track Mullin so he is a chance to be a real weapon next year... get him the games under his belt to be ready to explode in 2024 (midfield time also for him).
Give Knevitt, Dempsey and Bruhn the games... Sure they are getting them now but when some guys come back they may slide out of the side.
If Neale/Conway are ready later in the year... Play them.
Give this Hardie dude a run of games to see if he can handle the top level once settled in here and be a real asset next season.
Try guys in different positions so if needed it can be a helpful experience next year.
DO NOT FLOG the older guys to death and give them a spell so they don't burn out (Smith, Blitz, Hawkins... even Cameron)... Obviously guys like Henry, Danger and Duncan are already having time off but when they come back don't be scared to give them more time off.
Sure we will lose plenty more games but we will be in a better position for next year and probably have a top 6, 7, or 8 draft pick to put to use on another top young kid to help build for the future.
Yes I have given up hope this year... I doubt the club has but if we lose a few more maybe they do start thinking about optimizing for 2024.
Going B2B is very hard... especially with a bazillion injuries and an aging list.
I’m not saying tank to improve our draft pick... I’m saying once it gets to the stage that it’s pretty unlikely we will be winning the flag that we move to do things that’ll help us next year more than this year.
If a better draft pick comes with doing so then that’s a bonus.
I also think that most people (even you) were pretty happy with the player we used pick 8 on last year.
Moderately confident we win. CS has had two games to digest the s**t sandwich to our midfield, time to pull something clever. Can we throw atkins, oconnor and blitz as hard tags at every stoppage, try and turn it into a contested outside aerial game that will suit or available cattle better?
That's why he likely sub this week.
I think Bowes was a mid in he's rookie year.
Then moved to HB ..
I think we need to use him as a mid at times he's a good user .
Dont see how we possibly win to be honest, their midfield is going to dominate and their forward line will ask plenty of questions of an underdone defence.Not confident
Needed danger
I think he's in the backline again but don't quote mewill Jack Henry start fwd this week ? hes been shifted around a lot the last couple of weeks.
I think he's in the backline again but don't quote me
What we have to try and do is get it so their f50 entries are high and long so we can intercept (ie prevent groundballs in our d50) and we can generate attack from there (rather than midfield). How we do that with 6-6-6 im not sure though because if they smash clearances it will be hard for us to get numbers behind the ball.