Autopsy Round 14 Adelaide vs Richmond

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I dont have a problem with us giving up a lead of 33 points..... I do have a problem when we are unable to turn it around again....
 
nut said:
I dont have a problem with us giving up a lead of 33 points..... I do have a problem when we are unable to turn it around again....
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I have to agree with this.
While I knew the Crows would come at us, I also wanted to see how we handled that and it's fair to say we didn't handle it well.
We played blistering footy for a quarter. A quarter of footy that would have put 16 other teams to shame.
But what happened after that was disappointing.
 
Am I gutted. **** yeah.
What I'm more ashamed of is the shameful utter nobs we have posting here blaming player x or player y It's obvious you toos have no idea about modern AFL.

At the players the posters here are calling into question are the players that are selected on their ability to follow the game plan, not talent.......... Ok so shit went wrong today. But for example, Miller is in the side because the plan dictates that, if the ball is in X spot then do Y, or if it's in Y do A, if you do A then do Z or if it's Y then do W... and that is very simple, in reality it is a lot more complicated than that. So Elton, Miller, Edwards, Nahas, Jackson ........ The eternally flamed, are doing better at following the game plan than those who do not play........

Yes we lost. No big deal, from what I saw we had players running to those X,Z,Y,A etc positions and not quite pulling of off.

We can really eat our own sometimes......
 

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savagelunchbox said:
I was at the game so i'll give a level-headed view if the Mods don't mind.

First off, this:
Too many times the players, but more importantly defenders would lose their footing sometimes unintentionally and sometimes on purpose. Put the players under more pressure than they should have been under.

2nd off, today showed why Richmond aren't quite a finals team yet. Today showcased how good Richmond can be (1st Q and a half) and how bad they can be (the rest of the game). When you can play that bad, especially after such a hot start, it shows that you're not quite ready for finals.
To make it worse, Adelaide didn't seem to make a whole lot of major changes. Porplyzia moved up the ground and got plenty of it. That was the biggest change IMO. It was mainly the skill errors and decision making that cost the game.

3rdly, how are Jackson and Edwards getting a game? Week after week I see these two making some of the biggest facepalm decisions and yet they continue to get games and get plenty of it. Less is more with these two.

Finally, you need another KPF other than Reiwoldt. I said this after rd1 when every forward thrust was directed to him and the same applies 14 rounds later. You won't beat any good teams regularly if this stays the same.
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Agree with the falling over, don't know why they do it but they need to address it. There has to be a reason why we constantly fall over and other teams don't. Or are we just that unco?

Disagree with your comment about how Edwards get's a game. He's been pretty good this year IMO.

OVerall very disappointed with the loss after letting that 5 goal lead slip, but if you told me before the game we lost by 19 points to Adelaide on their home turf, it wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world. We aren't ready for finals and today's game confirmed that.
 
A 5 goal lead isn't what people might think it is. It's nothing really in footy these days, especially at quarter time. If it was the last quarter, folks might have a point.

Anyway, disappointing to lose any game that you're a chance to win.

EDIT: missed the 5 in the first sentence.
 
tugga said:
I have to agree with this.
While I knew the Crows would come at us, I also wanted to see how we handled that and it's fair to say we didn't handle it well.
We played blistering footy for a quarter. A quarter of footy that would have put 16 other teams to shame.
But what happened after that was disappointing.
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yep.... I want to see how dimma reacted.....see what he tried to do to get us back..... and IMO he failed big time today.
 
Nuffers said:
Am I gutted. **** yeah.
What I'm more ashamed of is the shameful utter nobs we have posting here blaming player x or player y It's obvious you toos have no idea about modern AFL.

At the players the posters here are calling into question are the players that are selected on their ability to follow the game plan, not talent.......... Ok so shit went wrong today. But for example, Miller is in the side because the plan dictates that, if the ball is in X spot then do Y, or if it's in Y do A, if you do A then do Z or if it's Y then do W... and that is very simple, in reality it is a lot more complicated than that. So Elton, Miller, Edwards, Nahas, Jackson ........ The eternally flamed, are doing better at following the game plan than those who do not play........

Yes we lost. No big deal, from what I saw we had players running to those X,Z,Y,A etc positions and not quite pulling of off.

We can really eat our own sometimes......
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you can follow a game plan as much as you like but if you cant do the basics of footy, then said plan is useless.my beef with miller is if all he did was lead up to the ball carrier then fine. but he hardly does that and thats his job.
 
peternorth said:
it appears hardwick has target on chest. do we have plan b or c?

from what i have read it appears thought is absent from mind during game.

also some say we eat our own.

but we as members and long time supporters cannot cease tongue.
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The thinking might be to try and get certain aspects of our game right before we go and try other things...... I dont agree with this approach
 
what id like to know is how brad miller got back in the side, he is a shocker. they will never win with him up forward.
 
theflea said:
you can follow a game plan as much as you like but if you cant do the basics of footy, then said plan is useless.my beef with miller is if all he did was lead up to the ball carrier then fine. but he hardly does that and thats his job.
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I don't expect him to kick 60 a year, or any more than 1 a game. I do expect him to perform his role though, and he simply hasn't done that. Whether he's confused as to what his role is, I don't know, but he needs to make himself much more dangerous, even as a lead up player so that teams will account for him. As it stands, they have all the time in the world to sag off and double team Jack.

It seemed he could do this job last year, but for whatever reason our forward structure with him in this side has gone to shit.
 

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Spagman said:
Completely agree. And like you say, a 5 goal lead these days can be destroyed by most teams if they get on a run. A 5 goal lead in modern AFL hasn't been a match winning position now (except for perhaps the last quarter) in at least 5, or more years.
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Not happy that we lost - Never am. But not totally gutted. Adelaide in Adelaide was always a big ask, especially after their performance last week. It's funny that the 5 goal lead that we "gave up" only took about 10 minutes to create when we were playing our best and even at our worst took about 2.5-3 quarters to lose. Yes, there is still a big gap between our best and worst, but gee the best gives me goosebumps. Been a long time since I could say that!

Also don't under estimate the impact of King's untimely departure today. Not only was he was having a very good game, but we were then stuck with Elton/Miller on for the entire game. Not having a crack at Elton (Wasn't expecting much more for a first gamer) I just don't think Dimma would have planned to have him out there for the entire game.
 
tugga said:
We lost by three goals to a side that is three to four goals better than us.
Yes, it was disappointing they way we lost. I am gutted about that.
But while players such as Miller, Jackson and King are getting games and the kids are still in their first and second years, this is going to happen.
I refuse to commit suicide over today like I know most on here will feel like doing.
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Welll said, I totally agree. Need to get better decision makers and better skilled players than these.
 
Does anyone have footage a cotchins interception in the second quarter, thats was another amazing piece of play by cotch.

I think it was in the second quarter and by footage i mean a gif.
 
turtle27 said:
A 5 goal lead isn't what people might think it is. It's nothing really in footy these days, especially at quarter time. If it was the last quarter, folks might have a point.

Anyway, disappointing to lose any game that you're a chance to win.

EDIT: missed the 5 in the first sentence.
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I agree, but its the fact that we absolutely dominated them in the first qtr then did a complete 180 and let them run all over us for the next 3
 
theflea said:
you can follow a game plan as much as you like but if you cant do the basics of footy, then said plan is useless.my beef with miller is if all he did was lead up to the ball carrier then fine. but he hardly does that and thats his job.
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And there is the problem.. according to our game plan NOBODY is doing that role as well as Miller
 
Does anyone think that their was a need for a clash jumper i went over to the adelaide board and a couple of poster were fuming about it. Personally i think their is a massive difference between our jumper and theirs and that there crying over nothing, and that the players simply made errors in assuming that their team mate was the relief option.
 

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