Preview Round 17, 2023 : Giants v Hawks, 4.35pm July 8th, Giants Stadium

[Lymbo]

Long should come in. Brings in a bit of physical strength and intensity.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

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Sam mentioned in the presser that we were +35 hitouts, but -11 for first possessions. Stating the Midfield was well beaten.
Why would Sam drop a ruck for that? They held up their end of the bargain in there.

It's highly unlikely that he does, to my eyes and ears.

I think guys like MacDonald, Chad, Butler, are far more likely to come under pressure to keep their spots, when Brockman, Impey and CJ are going to be available.

cause Reeves has no ability to craft a tap, you can read where it’s going live from 100m away
It’s amateur shit

 

[f4zz]

Was at the game today, Lewis was double teamed all game. Dropping Kozi ruined any little structure we had.

 

[burner1]

Expect a few changes.

-a mid from BH - either Long or Stephens - as our mids have looked flat. Maybe Nash needs a rest.

-A 2nd tall target. Greene’s stats look okay but Carlton have him no respect. I’d even go as far as being in both Ramsden and Ryan for Greene and a ruck.

-Impey and brockman straight back in if fit. Probably back for Morrison and chad. Both weren’t bad but just lack footspeed. MacDonald has also been average and butler didn’t do a heap.

Don’t think DGB or Serong have done enough in their new roles. CJ needs more time at BH. Thought Finn was okay when he came on but probably didn’t do enough.

 

[H00t]

I only watched the first half but during that time greene’s opponent pealed off him every single time we went forward. Lewis found life a lot harder because greene just isnt a big enough threat.

Greene got a few marks inside fifty just standing on his own but greene couldn’t convert and his opponent did far more damage the other way. He cant play as a second tall. I dont see him in out best aide but if we are going to play him it has to be as a third tall and we play another genuine kpf.

For me our second kpf most important role is getting to a heap of contests and keeping the ball inside 50 by preventing intercept marks and drawing defenders away from Lewis.

Goals are secondary to this. Greene sneaks out the back and knows how to find goals. He just can’t provide the consistent contest which means the ball heads out at a million miles hour most times we get it forward.

 

[MasterSamurai]

Kozi workrate was ok at bhh , although only 1 goal but he did get it 18 times. Kozi/Lewis combo has a lot more presence about it than Lewis / Greene.
Chad stays in as he was a lot better than Butler. Harry was also an upgrade on bramble so he stays in as well.
Just quietly, Dylan isnt providing much ATM either but stays for bit of leadership I guess.
If these margins keep ballooning out, we DO have to have a bit of a minor shake up in the coming weeks as so that our higher rated talented players don't get too comfortable with " we're still very young "excuse time and again. Losses are one thing, non competitiveness is another.

 

[naysayer]

Was at the game today, Lewis was double teamed all game. Dropping Kozi ruined any little structure we had.

Another key forward is a must. Frost: you just can't cop that from a leader, 3 howlers. The midfield group who were doing the cakewalk a month ago are suddenly vulnerable. 1 more week to turn their form around, or we'll see a change.

Serong, Brockman, Denver, Impey and CJ all in the frame

 

[The hands of stone]

GWS game was in pretty tough conditions . Reckon it might be a good opportunity for us here despite our poor record there .

Brockman and Impey must ins and need a KPF to give Lewis a chop out .

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

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cause Reeves has no ability to craft a tap, you can read where it’s going live from 100m away
It’s amateur s**t

This literally makes no sense.

If Reeves is so easy to read, and we know that’s he’s elite for winning percentage why can’t our mids read his taps?

 

[Walshawk]

In: Ramsden, Kosi, Impey, Brockman
Out: Finn, Butler, Greene, Meek or Reeves, Wingard to sub.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I think I might neeed to step out of this thread.
The one stat we absolutely brained the opposition in today was hitouts. +35.

We are 4th in the comp for average hitouts per game, btw.

Yet we couldn’t capitalise on it, but instead of working on that or even questioning the mids part in that, we should omit one of the guys who gave us that advantage and weaken that strength.

I mean, Sam might surprise me and make a call to cut a ruck from the lineup because they’re not doing enough across the park, but I just can’t see why he’d want something that is a clear strength to build on, to be weakened by match selection, unless he thinks there’s a very strong counter somewhere else on the ground.

One thing is certain, this board sure does not miss our ruck division when we lose a game.

 

[hardway]

Mentioned earlier this season that Frost is not a player you want in a young developing side. Yes he gives it his all but his all doesn’t provide reliability that youth look towards from the experienced heads.

 

[Sixpence]

I think I might neeed to step out of this thread.
The one stat we absolutely brained the opposition in today was hitouts. +35.

Yet we couldn’t capitalise on it, but instead of working on that or even questioning the mids part in that, we should omit one of the guys who gave us that advantage and weaken that strength.

I mean, Sam might surprise me and make a call to cut a ruck from the lineup because they’re not doing enough across the park, but I just can’t see why he’d want something that is a clear strength to build on, to be weakened by match selection, unless he thinks there’s a very strong counter somewhere else on the ground.

One thing is certain, this board sure does not miss our ruck division when we lose a game.

I like comments about how 2 rucks doesn't work. Never mind that we had 2 rucks in all our wins this year. Seemed to work fine in those.

 

[barbster]

Brocky & Impey should be back in.
Jiath adds a lot more run if ready.
Would like Ramsden forward instead of one of our rucks.
Ryan or DGB should be considered ahead of Greene. Greene wasn't bad but his game doesn't help Lewis in any way, he was double teamed while they just ignored Greene.
Long/Mackenzie should also be considered. Something stinks about our midfield mix defensively, they let their opponents put the backline under siege too often.
No-one ready to replace Frost especially if we persist with DGB forward. Sicily will be the natural transition.

If Greene is getting on his own and just being ignored it’s not his issue, but those delivering it into the Fwd 50. He should be commended on getting on his own and giving an option.

 

[hawkguru]

2 rucks can work but 1 must contribute as a foward which neither Reeves or Meek can do, Bring in Ramma to prevent Lewis from getting tripled teamed and to give Reeves a reprieve in the ruck like we did against the dogs.

I would also consider playing Dgb as a 3rd tall or defender. The worst case scenario is they both get some games under their belt and we still get the 3rd draft pick .

In: Impey, Brockman, Ramma, Dgb
Out: Meek, Frost, Finn, Greene

 

[Big Hotdog]

2 rucks can work but 1 must contribute as a foward which neither Reeves or Meek can do, Bring in Ramma to prevent Lewis from getting tripled teamed and to give Reeves a reprieve in the ruck like we did against the dogs.

I would also consider playing Dgb as a 3rd tall or defender. The worst case scenario is they both get some games under their belt and we still get the 3rd draft pick .

In: Impey, Brockman, Ramma, Dgb
Out: Meek, Frost, Finn, Greene

I agree with the theory of the second ruck needing to be a forward threat but Ramma will get monstered in the ones.

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[Dewwwww]

I think I might neeed to step out of this thread.
The one stat we absolutely brained the opposition in today was hitouts. +35.

Yet we couldn’t capitalise on it, but instead of working on that or even questioning the mids part in that, we should omit one of the guys who gave us that advantage and weaken that strength.

I mean, Sam might surprise me and make a call to cut a ruck from the lineup because they’re not doing enough across the park, but I just can’t see why he’d want something that is a clear strength to build on, to be weakened by match selection, unless he thinks there’s a very strong counter somewhere else on the ground.

One thing is certain, this board sure does not miss our ruck division when we lose a game.

Couldn‘t be happier with how our midfield has transformed this year. The days of the one paced Tom / JOM show are long gone. However like all young sides they do look fatigued. Maybe it’s time give Some guys a spell / rotate a few through there for a couple of weeks (Stephens / CMacs / Long etc) to freshen the guys up and then have our starting mids back refreshed for the final 4 games?

 

[burger09]

I think I might neeed to step out of this thread.
The one stat we absolutely brained the opposition in today was hitouts. +35.

Yet we couldn’t capitalise on it, but instead of working on that or even questioning the mids part in that, we should omit one of the guys who gave us that advantage and weaken that strength.

I mean, Sam might surprise me and make a call to cut a ruck from the lineup because they’re not doing enough across the park, but I just can’t see why he’d want something that is a clear strength to build on, to be weakened by match selection, unless he thinks there’s a very strong counter somewhere else on the ground.

One thing is certain, this board sure does not miss our ruck division when we lose a game.

Wople, Newk and Nash got badly beaten and it had little to do with our rucks.

Did they just have a bad day or is that combination decidedly C grade?

That's what we must work out quickly.

Day, Ward, McKenzie , Hustwaite offer hope of improvement. Stephens and Long look more of the same.

Nash and Worps bring good physicality but have limited offensive weapons and zero class. When Newk isn't at his best they are a bog average combo. Day being needed elsewhere doesn't help but his connection with the forwards is also limited.

One more A grade smart, classy, damaging mid could change everything. Is it Ward or McKenzie? Or are they just neat no.3-4s. Hopefully once they mature it all come together.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

This literally makes no sense.

If Reeves is so easy to read, and we know that’s he’s elite for winning percentage why can’t our mids read his taps?

Wins taps

Puts them in poor positions

Pretty simple

 

[Brishawk]

Wins taps

Puts them in poor positions

Pretty simple

Ned is easily a top ten tap ruck in the league and has played less than 30 games. Has better hit out to advantage percentage than players like witts and obrien who are the top to players for total hitouts to advantage in the comp.

 

[lethalselbow]

Both ruckmen aren't performing around the ground. Both ineffectual up forward. Winning taps is one thing, but they looked a liability as soon as that was done.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Wins taps

Puts them in poor positions

Pretty simple

As Bris pointed out you don’t have the hits to advantage percentage that Ned does if he’s putting them in poor positions like you’ve said.

 

[burner1]

As Bris pointed out you don’t have the hits to advantage percentage that Ned does if he’s putting them in poor positions like you’ve said.

But what were the stats yesterday? We’re talking about Carlton not what they did in other games.
To be +35 on hit outs but -11 first possession can’t equally be all the mids fault. Clearances maybe but first possession? Fair play to Carlton - they tactically beat us around the contest .

 

[Leather Poisoning]

idk exactly what it is but our mids are falling into a similar trap they did in the past few years where they get too sucked into contests and don't defend the outside effectively, leading to easy transitions for the oppo

wouldn't be surprised if we take a look at our structure around the ball this game. not sure what that'll look like, but i imagine CJ, Impey and Brockman all come in

I think this was actually us outsmarting ourselves. We expected to easily win the ruck contest and so tried to play to it, but crowded ourselves in.

In the third we started knocking the ball forward at contests and we looked a lot like we did before the bye.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Was at the game today, Lewis was double teamed all game. Dropping Kozi ruined any little structure we had.

This is it. I think Kosi needs to play until we find an upgrade on Kosi.