Preview Round 17, 2023 : Giants v Hawks, 4.35pm July 8th, Giants Stadium

[The Gotham Penguin]

Ramsden is nowhere near it currently.

I watched the VFL Suns vs BHH game - Moyle destroyed him.

I think Ramsden may need more time to bulk up a bit?

Regarding Meek & Reeves - when one has been subbed off, the other seemed to improve.

Maybe both thrive on being 'The Man' - There are at least 4 sides that single ruck, maybe that is an option going forward?

Choose one, and make it on the other to force a change via the VFL.

They've both been in the AFL system long enough to get their fitness up to solo ruck standards by now hopefully?

Watching the game, I couldn't figure out why Reeves or Meek weren't replaced when TDK went out - the extra class of McKenzie for example, may have evened the midfield contest up.

 

[Brishawk]

But what were the stats yesterday? We’re talking about Carlton not what they did in other games.
To be +35 on hit outs but -11 first possession can’t equally be all the mids fault. Clearances maybe but first possession? Fair play to Carlton - they tactically beat us around the contest .

If ned is hitting to the planned zones its on the mids to get to the zone and win it.

 

[MrPremiership]

Sam mentioned in the presser that we were +35 hitouts, but -11 for first possessions. Stating the Midfield was well beaten.
Why would Sam drop a ruck for that? They held up their end of the bargain in there.

It's highly unlikely that he does, to my eyes and ears.

I think guys like MacDonald, Chad, Butler, are far more likely to come under pressure to keep their spots, when Brockman, Impey and CJ are going to be available.

The midfield were well beaten, but the rucks being +35 up isn't a pass for them. They were 2 dedicated rucks up against 2 part timers. They had to be more effective with their taps.

If we're going to persist with 2 rucks, one of them needs to be more dangerous up forward.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

We should try one ruck + Kosi.

 

[threesixpio]

Changes all that in here.

Brockman, Jiath and Impey likely to be available.
Sicily 1 more week of suspension to serve.

Does DGB come in as a forward?

Go at it.

DGB kicks a bag in the seconds why not. Also would be nice to have a bit of mongrel up there imo

 

[threesixpio]

How far away is Serong as a defender inclusion ?

 

[RobHawk]

How far away is Serong as a defender inclusion ?

Perhaps when Sicily is back to help stabilise the backline he can come into the defence as the third tall defender.
He was arguably best on ground for Box Hill on the weekend.

 

[Jazzfan]

Giants are going to be feeling that slog yesterday, heavy legs.

In: run, speed, pressure

 

[Yardie]

I think I might neeed to step out of this thread.
The one stat we absolutely brained the opposition in today was hitouts. +35.

Yet we couldn’t capitalise on it, but instead of working on that or even questioning the mids part in that, we should omit one of the guys who gave us that advantage and weaken that strength.

I mean, Sam might surprise me and make a call to cut a ruck from the lineup because they’re not doing enough across the park, but I just can’t see why he’d want something that is a clear strength to build on, to be weakened by match selection, unless he thinks there’s a very strong counter somewhere else on the ground.

One thing is certain, this board sure does not miss our ruck division when we lose a game.

I think Sam made a mistake in playing the two established rucks against Carlton given the outs they had in the ruck department. Was an opportunity to play Ramsden as he could have been a better match up for Silvagni.

However, that does not mean we have to change for the upcoming match.

 

[Sturty]

Reeves out
Offers a good tap and that's it. Gives us nothing else around the ground

 

[RoughysMullet]

Ramsden is nowhere near it currently.

I watched the VFL Suns vs BHH game - Moyle destroyed him.

I think Ramsden may need more time to bulk up a bit?

Regarding Meek & Reeves - when one has been subbed off, the other seemed to improve.

Maybe both thrive on being 'The Man' - There are at least 4 sides that single ruck, maybe that is an option going forward?

Choose one, and make it on the other to force a change via the VFL.

They've both been in the AFL system long enough to get their fitness up to solo ruck standards by now hopefully?

Watching the game, I couldn't figure out why Reeves or Meek weren't replaced when TDK went out - the extra class of McKenzie for example, may have evened the midfield contest up.

Ramsden isn’t really a standalone ruckman at the next level- he should be played as a forward that can pitch hit in the ruck, but assume Box hill didn’t have any other ruckman so going up against Moyle who’s an AFL ready ruck it’s no surprise he was beaten…

His performances when played as a forward have been much better and the side was comprehensively beaten so I wouldn’t take too much stock out of that game…

Agree with your other points- not too many sides in the league are playing two rucks atm and Reeves+Meek don’t seem to be performing well together so I’m keen to see how we fare with just the one ruckman in the side…

 

[Buttonsticher]

Nothing to do with this game but replacement tickets are available now for R19 tigs game via rippatek

 

[almuz]

Going to this game, just want to see us have a crack. The dub would be an added bonus, just be competitive.

The one remaining game I’d love us to circle is Round 19 v Tiges. We’ve been their bunnies for way too long.

 

[TazHawk15]

Reeves out
Offers a good tap and that's it. Gives us nothing else around the ground

What exactly does Meek give us around the ground?

Reeves is a much better tap ruckman as well.

 

[westhawk]

This is it. I think Kosi needs to play until we find an upgrade on Kosi.

DGB and even Ryan are instant upgrades on Kosi .

 

[westhawk]

I think Sam made a mistake in playing the two established rucks against Carlton given the outs they had in the ruck department. Was an opportunity to play Ramsden as he could have been a better match up for Silvagni.

However, that does not mean we have to change for the upcoming match.

I think our rucks missed a golden opportunity yesterday to punch the ball forward at every centre bounce. We could have gained so much territory, missed a golden opportunity against very undersized rucks.

 

[smish]

What exactly does Meek give us around the ground?

Reeves is a much better tap ruckman as well.

Reeves gives us mongrel. Reeves is too soft IMO.

 

[SSSSSS]

Reeves gives us mongrel. Reeves is too soft IMO.

 

[grumbleguts]

Reeves gives us mongrel. Reeves is too soft IMO.

This seems to contradict itself.

 

[Yardie]

I think our rucks missed a golden opportunity yesterday to punch the ball forward at every centre bounce. We could have gained so much territory, missed a golden opportunity against very undersized rucks.

Although I do agree with the approach we didn't set-up for this and the few time that we did do it they hit it straight to a Carlton player.

 

[Gday1]

This seems to contradict itself.

Think he might have meant to say Meek gives us mongrel

 

[hawkers10]

Changes that have to be made this week:
in: Brockman, Cj, DGB
Out: Fergus greene

26

Fergus Greene

Age

27

Ht

187cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.8

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.8

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.0

4star

, sam frost

8

Sam Frost

Age

31

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.4

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

191.6

3star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.3

3star

HB

4.3

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

191.6

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

4star

, harry Morrison

1

Harry Morrison

Age

26

Ht

184cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

0.9

3star

D

13.4

3star

K

9.8

4star

HB

3.6

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

3star

CL

0.8

3star

D

18.4

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

7.0

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.2

4star

CL

2.0

4star

I've also heard that jai serong has had a really good game in the Vfl and he could possibly come in. I think it would be good considering he is a tall defender.

 

[hawkers10]

Changes that have to be made this week:
in: Brockman, Cj, DGB
Out: Fergus greene, sam frost, harry Morrison
I've also heard that jai serong has had a really good game in the Vfl and he could possibly come in. I think it would be good considering he is a tall defender.

I've totally forgot about impey. He is a straight in aswell. Impey in instead of dgb.

 

[TassieGrown]

I think our rucks missed a golden opportunity yesterday to punch the ball forward at every centre bounce. We could have gained so much territory, missed a golden opportunity against very undersized rucks.

Been banging on about this, we have a 7 footer who refuses to jump.

I used to blame The Monkey for this but nothing has changed since Hale has taken over

 

[arupist]

Changes that have to be made this week:
in: Brockman, Cj, DGB
Out: Fergus greene, sam frost, harry Morrison
I've also heard that jai serong has had a really good game in the Vfl and he could possibly come in. I think it would be good considering he is a tall defender.

I think Serong might need a few more games as a defender before he is considered. Just as DGB needs a few more as a forward.

Not sure why Morrison is always on the chopping block. He did pretty well.