Review Round 19, 2023 vs Collingwood

[VineValerian]

Probably because we just lost our biggest test of the year, after getting smashed last week and put a top 2 finish in serious doubt.

Yep.
And demonstrated the exact same fakibilities we have for the past 20 years in big games.

I had almost lost all hope going into this season, after a decade of Hinks and an ordinary 8 or so years prior to that.

Then, as we started winning, showing composure in tight finishes, and playing dynamic, appealing footy, I got invested again, getting back the passion. Even starting to enjoy it once more.

But watching last night I had a sense of deja vu envelop me. I watched us burn significant opportunities many times, and we couldn't get a gap on the scum.

We crapped the bed in the 3rd quarter.
6 straight forward shots on goals for 3 points and 3 more no scores despite dominating.

What should have been a 7 goal lead going into the last stanza was less than 3 goals.

I knew we were gone! Was just an air of resignation about me as the quarter unfolded.

And so it happened. We lost as I expected.

Our loss tonight was because of softness and zero edge when games are close.

It is magnitudes worse than the Carlton loss because at least that game was legitimately because we didn't try.

But our issues of last night's loss are not fixable. That's why it hurts. And it will continue hurting until a big change in the guard and culture.

Did you just compare 3 time premiership coach, 7 time grand final coach, all time coaching games record holder, premiership player and hall of famer Mick Malthouse to career loser, hillbilly, greyhound slaughterer Ken Hinkley?

And quite fairly too, I may add

 

[theouthouse]

Butters,rozee and jhf and drew is our fab 4

Boak and wines showed tonight why we never win big games,, hack merchants

Hugh Jackson and maybe sinn should play over boak and wines there cooked

Free up Narkle to play some more midfield minutes, but Wines (form and disposal) or Boak (banged up) shouldn't be in the same team on current output.

Does SPP get a run as a bull midfielder?

Can't see Sinn or Hugh getting midfield minutes at this end of the season.

 

[jdeezy]

And it's a theme of this groundhog day regime.

Hinkley's words mirror all of the opposition supporters in this thread and even some of our own supporters talking about unluckily losing a coin flip of a game.

We've already lost three knockout finals under this loser by a goal or less. Two prelims. Two at home. To go with the mountain of similar high stakes home and away losses, mostly at night, at home, against good teams. It's not luck when it happens again and again and again.

Just sack this loser.

No arguments with sacking Donuts.

But this is the first game this year we've dropped in the close ones. Since Round 3, we've gotten up in every other big game this year, home against Melbourne away Friday nights, jagged wins when the opposition came at us hard late, stolen wins when we've been down late.

I absolutely agree this loss wasn't due to luck, but we're pointing that comment in the wrong direction - this result was because Collingwood know how to win, not because we don't. What we need to do is work out how Collingwood manage to do it every time and what we need to do to stop it, then back ourselves in to do that. I'm not sure if we will, bit we're close.

Still, sack Hinkley

 

[Palpatine_Power]

How ****ing bad is that Elliot goal where he changes direction outside the boundary and isn’t called? Aliir ran in a straight line, as per the rule, and got pinged. Should have been a throw in.

Garbage umpiring as usual.

 

[JimmyBC]

He didnt duck. It was a s**t tackle

Lurched forward did the Selwood arm raise so the tackle slipped high. Plain as day.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Elliotts wasnt against the rules. You are allowed to do what he did. Players do that every game, every week

Players do what Aliir did every game every week too.

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

How ******* bad is that Elliot goal where he changes direction outside the boundary and isn’t called? Aliir ran in a straight line, as per the rule, and got pinged. Should have been a throw in.

Garbage umpiring as usual.

The aliir one was the correct call. He wasn't called out of bounds because he didn't run in a straight line, he was called out of bounds because he went past the mark outside the boundary.

If you watch it closely it's clear that's the case. It sucks but it is the rules.

The Elliot one happens a million times a game and is never paid. What you need in that scenario is someone rushing the kicker coming from the side and we didn't have that.

 

[Del165198]

Let's not forget Marshall had a clear throw to Evans which resulted in a goal.

Umpiring wasn't great but we didn't get screwed imo.

The last 5 minutes they did the usual "free kicks don't exist" thing. You still need to pay the obvious ones that are there.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I'd prefer Jones to just become a solid reliable defender who makes correct decisions 90+% of the time.

Granted but they are coached to provide cover defence and he is selfless in that role. He will get the balance right and has improved out of sight over the year. Another 10 year player we have found.

 

[Chewy316]

He’s really not. He’s a sharp shooting forward. Played his junior footy as a forward. But Hinkley only sees half backs so here we are

No he didn't - played exclusively down back as a junior. Only started playing forward after he was drafted by Port.

 

[edgie]

You played better on the night and thought you were harder generally at the ground balls. Rozee great, Houston very good and SPP great. Butters attack on the footy is insanity for a man of his size. A truly remarkable footballer.

For those of you who hate Hinkley, you can't be wrong. Either he wins the big games this year and as fans you will be delirious, or he doesn't and you can say told you so. From my view you're clearly going in a new direction with new, young, very impressive players. And as our Malthouse experience shows, it's not always a good thing to shake up the team when its heading in the right direction. I know head coaches carry baggage, but they should also get better over time too.

It may not be this year, it still might be, but that Drew, JHF, Butters and Rozee mix should take you very far in the next 4-6 years.

The irony of your message about Hinkley compared to the quote in your signature.

 

[Sewer de Lance]

Not all is lost, we still have a wildcard up our sleeves if Orazio can stay fit. Yes, there’s a lot of hope attached to the thought, but a forward line consisting of Rioli, DBJ, & Fantasia at the expense of McEntee & Evans reads so much better.

 

[JimmyBC]

Let's not forget Marshall had a clear throw to Evans which resulted in a goal.

Umpiring wasn't great but we didn't get screwed imo.

The last 5 minutes they did the usual "free kicks don't exist" thing. You still need to pay the obvious ones that are there.

What annoyed me more than picking out a few which you can do every week, was JHF apparently not having a head for 4 quarters he copped at least three clear high hits/tackles.

 

[carnthemaggies]

would be even better if he could kick goals

 

[EskimoPAFC]

How ******* bad is that Elliot goal where he changes direction outside the boundary and isn’t called? Aliir ran in a straight line, as per the rule, and got pinged. Should have been a throw in.

Garbage umpiring as usual.

Elliot's was absolutely fine.

AA they got wrong. Not one fan wants to see that.

 

[Portmagpies36]

Fair call on the umps, there were a few things that annoyed me, but I'm sure there were things that annoyed Collingwood supporters. We did have at least one free in the second half, JHF's tackle on Maynard.

Lachie Jones will take mark of the year one day. Some of those leaps would have set off NORAD. He does make mistakes, but mainly when he is providing cover defence for team mates. And he is our best cover defender with his pace and athleticism. He's played a handful of games and some were already considering him a bust not so long ago. His game has improved exponentially and looks to be continuing.

Our defence with these young guys looks so much stronger than when Jonas is there. Sorry TJ.

Our backline looks good (still need a big defender) Midfield is excellent but our forward line? Can’t ever seeing us making a GF with that forward line.

 

[Jojay]

Darcy Cameron had 20 hit outs to advantage. His previous best was 13. Put in a decent ruck like Hayes and you get a different result.

Yep stood out like dog's balls. We got smashed at stoppages

 

[1954]

I thought the free against Aliir was extremely technical, and probably shouldn't have been paid.

The way I saw the Elliott situation though is unless the siren has blown to end a quarter or the game, the player is entitled to run sideways to improve the angle once he re-enters the field, and all the ump can do in that situation is call play on, which under the current `stand' rule gives the bloke on the mark sfa chance to apply pressure and possibly effect the kick.

If he did it after the siren then it would have had to have been called, resulting in no score.

 

[tribey]

Wines is our biggest problem. He can only get more useless on a dry day and at the MCG.

He and Boak are a reminder of our piss blasting past. But at least Boak has the tank to run all day, and sometimes uses his experience to think through situations. Wines offers zero and the coaches won't dare drop him.

Wines clearly isn’t right.

Whether it’s a chronic or acute problem (knee? heart? hip?), he’s just not at the races.

Send him to surgery or sit him next to Jonas.

 

[Pt Augusta Power]

What’s the difference here….

One is a great pick up by a boundary umpire and the other is not. The boundary umpire on Elliott’s side must have been an inferior boundary umpire.

The wacky world of afl officiating.

 

[Del165198]

Get ****ed your w***er. I am not a happy clapper. Anyone on this board that dares to respond to some of the w***ers gets called a happy clapper. So go * yourself w***er.

Bloody well said

 

[Handyandy]

I’m starting to worry about his place in the side.

Boak has never been versatile enough to play any position other than pure mid.

 

[Del165198]

Wines clearly isn’t right.

Whether it’s a chronic or acute problem (knee? heart? hip?), he’s just not at the races.

Send him to surgery or sit him next to Jonas.

Send him to where Kenny's greyhounds that are too slow end up

 

[tribey]

And it's a theme of this groundhog day regime.

Hinkley's words mirror all of the opposition supporters in this thread and even some of our own supporters talking about unluckily losing a coin flip of a game.

We've already lost three knockout finals under this loser by a goal or less. Two prelims. Two at home. To go with the mountain of similar high stakes home and away losses, mostly at night, at home, against good teams. It's not luck when it happens again and again and again.

Just sack this loser.

Sounds like someone needs some tried and tested good good gaslightin’!:

• guess you forget how bad things were when he arrived
• you loved him when we won 13-in-a-row
• it’s not the SANFL anymore, we’re a widdle fish in a huge pond
• many clubs haven’t played finals in decades and would kill to be in our position
• we’re still in it, let’s calm the farm and see what happens

Feel better? I know I do!

 

[Portwon]

Was a lot to like.Good game of football. Close, lots of pressure. Some genuine highlights.

We are playing some good football, coaches are making some reasonable calls with what is at their disposal and there is a want to get back into the game when things are tight.

For us to win a game like this though and a final that matters we would have to have everything go right and have a list of players that execute under pressure, make the right choice.

We have too many players that don't and can't.