Preview Round 2 2018, Brisbane Lions vs Melbourne

[Lionsrbest2]

Such a confusing inclusion Bewick is! Apparently Cuts had a great game last week in the NEAFL practice match so maybe it's something other than form keeping him out of the side? Because I think most of us would agree he's much more talented than Bewick.

I believe Cuts should be in before Bewick.Cuts confidence would be sky high after his performance so worth a try at FF to see how he goes. So agree good post.

 

[briztoon]

... and McStay’s return as a forward was 1 goal and 1 behind. McStay has kicked 5 goals since the start of 2016, while Walker has kicked 33 over the same period. Fagan has got this one very wrong.

What I meant was, that last year McStay was regularly named as a forward, but started and played the game down back.

It got to the point where I just looked who was in the name and didn’t always take notice of who was named where.

 

[Comeback Lions]

I believe Cuts should be in before Bewick.Cuts confidence would be sky high after his performance so worth a try at FF to see how he goes. So agree good post.

Bewick also had a great game last week. Kicking 8 goals in a landslide 143 pt victory does not necessarily translate into performance in the ones. We’ve picked Bewick because we believe his inclusion is most likely to get us a win. Have to trust the match committee on this one.

 

[3KZ is Football]

McStay is also a favourite of mine, but he reminds me more of Gary Keane, particularly his versatility.

Yes. Maybe a little shorter. Keane was great because he could pinch-hit as a mobile ruckman. Just watched the 1986 Elimination Final and Keane was brilliant. Dropped back into the hole beautifully in that EPIC last quarter.

 

[Gadzorks]

Bewick also had a great game last week. Kicking 8 goals in a landslide 143 pt victory does not necessarily translate into performance in the ones. We’ve picked Bewick because we believe his inclusion is most likely to get us a win. Have to trust the match committee on this one.

Some of the st kilda goals last showed forward stats can be misleading. Don't have to be a great forward just need the cheap over the back. Still a goal but minimum effort required.

 

[Lionsrbest2]

Bewick also had a great game last week. Kicking 8 goals in a landslide 143 pt victory does not necessarily translate into performance in the ones. We’ve picked Bewick because we believe his inclusion is most likely to get us a win. Have to trust the match committee on this one.

Agree. I made the suggestion years and years ago bring back the reserves, there is simply no competitive competition in queensland other than the suns reserves.I don’t follow the Neafl as it is a massive joke for the above reason, bar the suns , giants ,sydney reserve sides.The Neafl in one word irrelevant. My argument is purely based on age ,bewick aged 28 ,if I am correct cuts 23. Lets be honest here ,bewick will not be there come our next finals appearance. If you suggested/ argued the point based upon development of the youngsters ,that instead of cuts give Bailey a go then I would be more willing to accept your post. I will repeat Fagan ,it is not about wins and losses at this point.He is right on the money and the kids acknowledge that by signing extensions. It is all about the bigger picture. We must know whether or not our young talent ( cuts age bracket of 23) has what it takes to make it ,otherwise we are simply missing development opportunities on other young players that will. Want to win a Premiership, lets put our list ( referring to the younger ones 23 ,24 bracket etc ,that have had 4 to 5 years in the system) to the test.That is what I am more interested in.My question to you,is do you really want to know whether or not players in the same age bracket as cuts (that r currently on our list) ,can make it in the AFL but most importantly the lions? They only way to find out is by playing them in the best competition not an inferior one ,would you not agree with that? If they don’t cut it ,recruit someone who will.afl after all is a business ,those who succeed in this business are those who focused on the goal and r ruthless in determination to get there.The lions are not a local footy club playing with mates and having a beer afterwoods.The lions are playing at the highest level.

 

[Dylan12]

Yes. Maybe a little shorter. Keane was great because he could pinch-hit as a mobile ruckman. Just watched the 1986 Elimination Final and Keane was brilliant. Dropped back into the hole beautifully in that EPIC last quarter.

IIRC, they also shared the same #25 if I’m not mistaken?

 

[Lionsrbest2]

Some of the st kilda goals last showed forward stats can be misleading. Don't have to be a great forward just need the cheap over the back. Still a goal but minimum effort required.

Touche!!!!

 

[Comeback Lions]

Lionsrbest2, I don't think the NEAFL is irrelevant. Last week the twos played a non NEAFL side. We have lost to sides like Aspley and Redlands in the last few years and Sydney Uni beat the Giants last week. No point writing it off when you don't watch it and it's the best we have. It's not perfect, but it can still serve a development purpose. Most of our games this year are against Giants, Swans and Suns who we play 4 times each.

Fagan has to balance the whole list and keep everyone happy and never giving games to players over 26, or wherever you draw the line, will not do that. Sure we need to play younger players but not to the complete exclusion of older players who are contracted. As others have pointed out, Cutler has issues to work on in terms of defensive work and contested possessions. When he gets that right he will play.

Finally, whether we agree or not, is not important to me. Posting is about reasoned discussion of views and doesn't have to be an argument. I've said what I think and won't respond on this issue again. Go Lions! Let's hope we torch the Dees and Bewick kicks a bag.

 

[Lionsrbest2]

Comeback lions.
Let me point one thing out .I am not arguing with you.( more a debate regards what direction the club should be taking) I am ,like yourself attempting to justify a point pure and simple.In fact quite contrary I enjoy reading your post.,we just have different ideas ,nothing wrong with that whatsoever.. My personal view on the Neafl, is that it serves a purpose,to grow the AFL brand in a non traditional footy state but is nowhere near the level/ standard of what Victoria has ,that is something hopefully we can agree on. If players ( in the age bracket 28 plus who are not of the same standard as A graders such as the likes of Beams,Hodge ,Zorks) truly want to help the club in their final year / years ,they can pass on their knowledge to the young players thru the reserves side. As a mentoring role.

 

[theteamtobeat]

Comeback lions.
Let me point one thing out .I am not arguing with you.( more a debate regards what direction the club should be taking) I am ,like yourself attempting to justify a point pure and simple.In fact quite contrary I enjoy reading your post.,we just have different ideas ,nothing wrong with that whatsoever.. My personal view on the Neafl, is that it serves a purpose,to grow the AFL brand in a non traditional footy state but is nowhere near the level/ standard of what Victoria has ,that is something hopefully we can agree on. If players ( in the age bracket 28 plus who are not of the same standard as A graders such as the likes of Beams,Hodge ,Zorks) but truly want to help the club in their final year / years ,they can pass on their knowledge to the young players thru the reserves side. As a mentoring role.

Yeah I got to agree. Bewick has been on our list for 8 years and still hasn't established himself in our best 22. Cutler is entering his prime and I expect to see great deal of improvement in him these year.

The priority would be to get games into those 1-4 year players and see whether they will make the level, but in saying that I think guys like Bewick, Bell and Bastinac would be handy later in the year so we can better manage our young players (e.g. Rayner, Berry, McCluggage, etc).

 

[3KZ is Football]

In keeping with the season, I’m starting to think Brisbane are going to CRUCIFY Melbourne. I might have to change my tip.

 

[BuntonRules]

From the outside I would have gone with Allison or Cutler over Bewick, but I trust the match committee.

 

[Lionsrbest2]

Yeah I got to agree. Bewick has been on our list for 8 years and still hasn't established himself in our best 22. Cutler is entering his prime and I expect to see great deal of improvement in him these year.

The priority would be to get games into those 1-4 year players and see whether they will make the level, but in saying that I think guys like Bewick, Bell and Bastinac would be handy later in the year so we can better manage our young players (e.g. Rayner, Berry, McCluggage, etc).

Spot on. If younger ones get tired absolutely,give them a rest bring in bewick then. Absolutely fine with that.
Brilliantly said.

 

[Gadzorks]

Agree. I made the suggestion years and years ago bring back the reserves, there is simply no competitive competition in queensland other than the suns reserves.I don’t follow the Neafl as it is a massive joke for the above reason, bar the suns , giants ,sydney reserve sides.The Neafl in one word irrelevant. My argument is purely based on age ,bewick aged 28 ,if I am correct cuts 23. Lets be honest here ,bewick will not be there come our next finals appearance. If you suggested/ argued the point based upon development of the youngsters ,that instead of cuts give Bailey a go then I would be more willing to accept your post. I will repeat Fagan ,it is not about wins and losses at this point.He is right on the money and the kids acknowledge that by signing extensions. It is all about the bigger picture. We must know whether or not our young talent ( cuts age bracket of 23) has what it takes to make it ,otherwise we are simply missing development opportunities on other young players that will. Want to win a Premiership, lets put our list ( referring to the younger ones 23 ,24 bracket etc ,that have had 4 to 5 years in the system) to the test.That is what I am more interested in.My question to you,is do you really want to know whether or not players in the same age bracket as cuts (that r currently on our list) ,can make it in the AFL but most importantly the lions? They only way to find out is by playing them in the best competition not an inferior one ,would you not agree with that? If they don’t cut it ,recruit someone who will.afl after all is a business ,those who succeed in this business are those who focused on the goal and r ruthless in determination to get there.The lions are not a local footy club playing with mates and having a beer afterwoods.The lions are playing at the highest level.

Absolute agree that development of the youth brigade is highest priority. The timing and frequency of bringing the youth in would be a major consideration each week. Playing the older fringe players (Cutler and Bewick) may be balancing their current contribution against the need for calm heads that can slow the play down when needed and help the youth that are on field build their confidence. I figure once our older top 22 brigade are functioning better as a unit there will be more games for the youth and players like Bewick and Cutler will stay in the 2s.

Edit: BTW absolutely agree the the NEAFL is a joke and contributes to our lack of depth. Unless the AFL fund a second tier competition with some of the better teams from Victoria as well can't see it improving.

 

[Kent Brockman]

Absolute agree that development of the youth brigade is highest priority. The timing and frequency of bringing the youth in would be a major consideration each week. Playing the older fringe players (Cutler and Bewick) may be balancing their current contribution against the need for calm heads that can slow the play down when needed and help the youth that are on field build their confidence. I figure once our older top 22 brigade are functioning better as a unit there will be more games for the youth and players like Bewick and Cutler will stay in the 2s.

Uhh have you confused Cutler with someone else? He is very much a part of our youth brigade...

 

[DERRINALPHIL]

Easter Friday is so boring so why step up to the plate Lionsrbest and comebacklions and start having the mother of all arguments to liven up the day.

I will start something

Cutler looks the goods but isn't.
Bewick looks the goods every fifth match but is crap the other four weeks, a characteristic I enjoy.
Lester looks awful but is surprisingly well regarded at the club.
Beams is over rated.
I liked Lewie Taylor better when he ran around in ever decreasing circles. He was circling a miniature back hole and disappeared over the event horizon. The new Lewie(black holes do radiate dark body energy) is a different beast and a lot more boring.
To put Sera (Number 10, if you don't mind) and McStay in the same sentence is like putting Steve Smith and Bill Woodfall in the same sentence

 

[Lionsrbest2]

Absolute agree that development of the youth brigade is highest priority. The timing and frequency of bringing the youth in would be a major consideration each week. Playing the older fringe players (Cutler and Bewick) may be balancing their current contribution against the need for calm heads that can slow the play down when needed and help the youth that are on field build their confidence. I figure once our older top 22 brigade are functioning better as a unit there will be more games for the youth and players like Bewick and Cutler will stay in the 2s.

Edit: BTW absolutely agree the the NEAFL is a joke and contributes to our lack of depth. Unless the AFL fund a second tier competition with some of the better teams from Victoria as well can't see it improving.

Culter is 5 years younger,and as theteamtobeat rightly mentioned ,at 23 , questions need to be asked, I think we’re beginning to ask ,as fans and as a club ,where does he fit into this lions team,Is he going to be best 22 or just as you say a fringe player. To benchmark him against the standard set by other senior AFL teams he needs to play to answer that burning question. And again theteamtobeat is absolutely right in saying ,if the young ones are getting tired ,give them a rest then bring in the likes of bewick, I have no problems with that whatsoever. The last thing anyone of us wants ,is the young talent to be completely burnt out due to a heavy workload.Not good for the player or the club or the fans who want to see them performing at their absolute best.

 

[David C]

Can someone sneak Zorko some sugar pills before the match as well? He looked like the Energizer Bunny running on Supercheap Batteries last week

Melbourne have selected Bug, I have grave fears for Zorko this week.

 

[Lionsrbest2]

Uhh have you confused Cutler with someone else? He is very much a part of our youth brigade...

That he is. I believe 5 years younger.happy to be corrected if I am wrong.Cuts is in that age bracket where he needs to step up.

 

[Gadzorks]

Uhh have you confused Cutler with someone else? He is very much a part of our youth brigade...

yeah, probably have a bit. Seems to have been around for a lot longer to my mind.

 

[Gadzorks]

Easter Friday is so boring so why step up to the plate Lionsrbest and comebacklions and start having the mother of all arguments to liven up the day.

I will start something

Cutler looks the goods but isn't.
Bewick looks the goods every fifth match but is crap the other four weeks, a characteristic I enjoy.
Lester looks awful but is surprisingly well regarded at the club.
Beams is over rated.
I liked Lewie Taylor better when he ran around in ever decreasing circles. He was circling a miniature back hole and disappeared over the event horizon. The new Lewie(black holes do radiate dark body energy) is a different beast and a lot more boring.
To put Sera (Number 10, if you don't mind) and McStay in the same sentence is like putting Steve Smith and Bill Woodfall in the same sentence

lol. I thought Lester had a great game last week - turns out I had my old glasses on and kept thinking that Berry was Lester. They do look a bit alike.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Lester is an important part of our team. I would like to see him in the middle more, because he gets his hands on it and has football smarts. We played Bell in the middle at the restart in a number of occasions against St.Kilda and I would have much preferred Lester. When Beams is off replace him with Lester for mine.

 

[Nunez]

Lester is an important part of our team. I would like to see him in the middle more, because he gets his hands on it and has football smarts. We played Bell in the middle at the restart in a number of occasions against St.Kilda and I would have much preferred Lester. When Beams is off replace him with Lester for mine.

Melbourne by 200

EFA

 

[3KZ is Football]

EFA

Best play it safe.