Preview Round 2 - Brisbane vs. Carlton Prematch Discussion

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April fool's is over already... please tell me this is a sick joke :(

Brayshaw and Lyon started the Triple M broadcast with Bower is out and there could be another big name in the engine room for the BLues but they would confirm later.

Just now they were talking about Fev/Brown combo and finished with if Jammo is the other out then its game over.

So not sure how they went from saying its a player from the engine room to maybe Jammo.

Lets hope who ever it is that is having the fitness test passes if they are an important player, but if they are a risk of breaking down just to play rest them and let the team suck it and see.

I remember a game many years back when i this SOS, Bradley and Kouta were all late withdrawals and we were playing a great team at the time in Essendon and we beat them. Anything can happen in footy, we have a great midfield when you can throw in players like Gibbs, Murph, Mclean, Simmo, Joesph, Walker, Hoops, Carrots we will be giving our forwards the best chance!!
 

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How long before the game does the official starting squad have to be named?
40 mins?

It's 90, should be out there any second.



Brisbane Lions
B: Joel Patfull, Daniel Merrett, Ashley McGrath
HB: Jed Adcock, Matt Maguire, Travis Johnstone
C: Josh Drummond, Todd Banfield, Jared Brennan
HF: Luke Power, Jonathan Brown, Jack Redden
F: Brent Staker, Brendan Fevola, Justin Sherman
Foll: Mitch Clark, Cheynee Stiller, Simon Black
I/C: Daniel Rich, Andrew Raines, Matthew Leuenberger, Michael Rischitelli
Changes to the selected side
Nil

Carlton
B: Aaron Joseph, Michael Jamison, Bret Thornton
HB: Andrew Walker, Dennis Armfield, Jordan Russell
C: Bryce Gibbs, Andrew Carrazzo, Kade Simpson
HF: Chris Yarran, Lachie Henderson, Eddie Betts
F: Jarrad Waite, Setanta O'hAilpin, Ryan Houlihan
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Brock McLean, Mitch Robinson
I/C: Marc Murphy, Robert Warnock, Joe Anderson, Heath Scotland
Changes to the selected side
In: Dennis Armfield
Out: Paul Bower
 
TBH, thought it was more important that Jammo got up. Emu wasn't really going to play on Brown and we've still got options between Thornton, Waite, Setanta and even Hendo. Armfield gives us the same run out of the back half too.
 
Bower out is a big loss. Hopefully the rest of the defence/team can stand up in his absence and still get us over the line. Armfield in though does bring some positives.
 

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Well considering Bower went up with the team, and BIB seemed to think he would play, hopefully it is just this week, and the 9 day break helps him.

Although this has made it a bit tougher, I'm still confident we can come home with a win.
 
TBH, thought it was more important that Jammo got up. Emu wasn't really going to play on Brown and we've still got options between Thornton, Waite, Setanta and even Hendo. Armfield gives us the same run out of the back half too.

We can cover Bower by moving, as you said, Waite, Hendo, Carlos. Problem is it's taking away our forward options. Thornton will take Brown now, meaning that probably Waite will go down back as the man to get in front of the Fev and Brown leads. We will have to have the extra tall back particularly if Clarke floats forward as well.
 
TBH, thought it was more important that Jammo got up. Emu wasn't really going to play on Brown and we've still got options between Thornton, Waite, Setanta and even Hendo. Armfield gives us the same run out of the back half too.

Some merit in this I reckon, would love him in but Army can run, I think this is where we have a chance, too fast, run run run
 
Well considering Bower went up with the team, and BIB seemed to think he would play, hopefully it is just this week, and the 9 day break helps him.

Although this has made it a bit tougher, I'm still confident we can come home with a win.

Hope you're right.

AFL team show on Foxtel is listing it as a 4 week injury - how true that is is anyones guess
 
This paragraph is borderline trolling, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, because I would rather respond to it than card it.

It should be pointed out that in our recent wins over Brisbane ie R21, 2008, R2, 2009 & R11, 2009 our defence conceded 10, 9 & 6 goals respectively to Brown & Bradshaw, so I'm not really sure that containing Brown & Fev is as important as you would have us believe.

I would be yet to label Brennan a top tier midfielder, on the basis of one game against the West Coast midfield which consists of Kerr, then daylight, then Priddis & some cameos from Masten. Perhaps we can give the same rating to Carrazzo, who collected 40 disposals (at 80% efficiency, compared to Brennan's 65%) against Richmond's midfield of Cousins, Deledio, Cotchin & Martin.

Banfield is a great little trier, but he butchers the ball something chronic (41% efficiency means he only contributed 7 efficient disposals on the night) & Redden only came into the game when the Eagles had run out of petrol tickets (sort of like Brown & Fev, who kicked 4 of their 8 goals in the last quarter, when the Eagles put up no resistence at all).

You say Yarran will only be dangerous when left unmanned. Yarran becomes unmanned because he is so adept at burning off his opponents. This was first displayed last season against Sydney, but on Thursday night, with a full pre-season under his belt, he was able to have a greater impact on the game, not only with his 3 goals & 2 goal assists, but also his 6 tackles & his chasing which resulted in turnovers.

Containing Fev and Brown? Fairly important last night.

Brennan? Well, he was one of the worst cramped up last week. Couldn't expect a huge game on a 5 day break, but he still managed our 3rd most disposals, and a game high 9 tackles (only other player with more than 5 was Scotland on 7). Not his best work, but a solid game nonetheless.

As I said, Banfield was a real 'up and comer'. Certainly more than just 'a great little trier'. I think last nights game, despite only having 11 touches, he put in a great contribution, 2 goals of his own, harassed and hassled time and time again (and just saw him set Brown up for a goal, on the replay).

And another 'up and comer', I named in Redden, did a few things, but admittedly had a pretty quiet game. Fair to expect that occasionally from an up and comer.

As I said originally, Yarran looks like he has got potential, he's certainly shown some good signs. But I'm still yet to see him do anything when a game is on the line (kicked his 3 against Richmond when the result was beyond doubt). Carlton never broke out to a huge lead, so as I guessed, he didn't do much damage.


As I said after you made these comments, I wasn't trolling, just adding a bit of Brisbane-perspective to your pre-match discussion. Bit of a shame you couldn't take my comments for what they were.
 
Containing Fev and Brown? Fairly important last night.

Brennan? Well, he was one of the worst cramped up last week. Couldn't expect a huge game on a 5 day break, but he still managed our 3rd most disposals, and a game high 9 tackles (only other player with more than 5 was Scotland on 7). Not his best work, but a solid game nonetheless.

As I said, Banfield was a real 'up and comer'. Certainly more than just 'a great little trier'. I think last nights game, despite only having 11 touches, he put in a great contribution, 2 goals of his own, harassed and hassled time and time again (and just saw him set Brown up for a goal, on the replay).

And another 'up and comer', I named in Redden, did a few things, but admittedly had a pretty quiet game. Fair to expect that occasionally from an up and comer.

As I said originally, Yarran looks like he has got potential, he's certainly shown some good signs. But I'm still yet to see him do anything when a game is on the line (kicked his 3 against Richmond when the result was beyond doubt). Carlton never broke out to a huge lead, so as I guessed, he didn't do much damage.


As I said after you made these comments, I wasn't trolling, just adding a bit of Brisbane-perspective to your pre-match discussion. Bit of a shame you couldn't take my comments for what they were.

Brown was the difference between the 2 teams, no doubt about that. Fev's contribution was cancelled out by Hendo's 3 goals for us. Effectively if Betts kicks accurately Carlton wins. Unfortunately he missed 4 easy shots on goal (unusual for Eddie) & we lose.

Brennan had nowhere near the impact he had last week & his disposal efficiency of 59% serves to support that.

Banfield chipped in for a couple of goals, but then he had the small forward role to himself this week, with Power spending more time on the ball this week & therefore not contributing any goals, after kicking 3 last week. Banfield's disposal is still ordinary (55% this week, after 41% last week) & he tries to do too much with the ball, in much the same way as Mitch Robinson does for us.

There is virtually nothing between Carlton & the Lions, with it taking a fantastic effort from Brown to get the Lions over the line. We will never know if Brown would have been able to perform as well if Bower had played & Thornton had been able to assist Bower in limiting Brown's impact. It will be interesting to see what happens next time if we have all our defensive talls in action & also our best player, Judd, particularly if we once again dominate the midfield as we did last night & again have the best ruckman on the ground (Kreuzer).
 
Containing Fev and Brown? Fairly important last night.

Brennan? Well, he was one of the worst cramped up last week. Couldn't expect a huge game on a 5 day break, but he still managed our 3rd most disposals, and a game high 9 tackles (only other player with more than 5 was Scotland on 7). Not his best work, but a solid game nonetheless.

As I said, Banfield was a real 'up and comer'. Certainly more than just 'a great little trier'. I think last nights game, despite only having 11 touches, he put in a great contribution, 2 goals of his own, harassed and hassled time and time again (and just saw him set Brown up for a goal, on the replay).

And another 'up and comer', I named in Redden, did a few things, but admittedly had a pretty quiet game. Fair to expect that occasionally from an up and comer.

As I said originally, Yarran looks like he has got potential, he's certainly shown some good signs. But I'm still yet to see him do anything when a game is on the line (kicked his 3 against Richmond when the result was beyond doubt). Carlton never broke out to a huge lead, so as I guessed, he didn't do much damage.


As I said after you made these comments, I wasn't trolling, just adding a bit of Brisbane-perspective to your pre-match discussion. Bit of a shame you couldn't take my comments for what they were.


Yeh but our players are better than your players :rolleyes:
 
Brown was the difference between the 2 teams, no doubt about that. Fev's contribution was cancelled out by Hendo's 3 goals for us. Effectively if Betts kicks accurately Carlton wins. Unfortunately he missed 4 easy shots on goal (unusual for Eddie) & we lose.

Brennan had nowhere near the impact he had last week & his disposal efficiency of 59% serves to support that.

Banfield chipped in for a couple of goals, but then he had the small forward role to himself this week, with Power spending more time on the ball this week & therefore not contributing any goals, after kicking 3 last week. Banfield's disposal is still ordinary (55% this week, after 41% last week) & he tries to do too much with the ball, in much the same way as Mitch Robinson does for us.

There is virtually nothing between Carlton & the Lions, with it taking a fantastic effort from Brown to get the Lions over the line. We will never know if Brown would have been able to perform as well if Bower had played & Thornton had been able to assist Bower in limiting Brown's impact. It will be interesting to see what happens next time if we have all our defensive talls in action & also our best player, Judd, particularly if we once again dominate the midfield as we did last night & again have the best ruckman on the ground (Kreuzer).

Hendo's goals... 2 were from received handballs in front of goal, one was from a free kick (I think, anyway... memory may be fuzzy.) I think Fev had to work much harder for his. You can't really 'cancel out' players like that, IMO. Fev also worked as a wonderful decoy for Brown...and... Regardless of whether Fev put in a blinder (which he did not), it's fair to say stopping Fev & Brown was still pivotal to the outcome.

Agreed, Brennan wasn't nearly as damaging as last week (would be pretty tough to back that up!). But again, he was definitely no slouch, as I said, most tackles despite playing very, very tired.

Banfield was fantastic, you surely can't deny that? He was like a little terrier the way he attacked the ball, and ran circles around various players. Upon watching the replay, not only did he clear the ball out of congestion, harass the crap out of the opposition, and kick 2 goals of his own (including one to put us 6 points clear in the last!). He also fed Brown the ball on two separate occasions, resulting in 2 Brown goals. He was damaging, even more so for a 2nd gamer. All I said was he was an up and comer, and he's worth watching out for. I think I was pretty spot on.

Agreed, despite IMO Brisbane looking better on paper, it always seems our two teams put in a great battle (at least, the last... 5? games, have been pretty intense, with the greatest margin being...19 point?). Always an exciting affair. It will be interesting to see what happens next time with Judd/Bower in, and with both teams having a 12 day break, and of course, playing at the Dome. That said, there were some serious under-performers last year. Black is yet to get up and running, and there is quite clearly something not quite right about Clark (was sick last week, yet was hardly more effective last night). Once he gets back to 2009 form, save a serious improvement from Kreuzer (which isn't beyond him at this stage of his development), I daresay we'll have the dominant ruckman the next time we meet. All of this is irrelevant- the game will be within 3 goals regardless.;)

I'll take your ignoring of my comments on Yarran as a sign of you agreeing with my prediction that he would have little to no impact.

Anyway, just wanted to try and point out to you that I'm not the kind of person who comes to this board to splurt out shit and troll the place. I try to leave the trolling in the Bay, as this board is the least likely place where I'd get away with such behaviour.;)
 
Hendo's goals... 2 were from received handballs in front of goal, one was from a free kick (I think, anyway... memory may be fuzzy.) I think Fev had to work much harder for his. You can't really 'cancel out' players like that, IMO. Fev also worked as a wonderful decoy for Brown...and... Regardless of whether Fev put in a blinder (which he did not), it's fair to say stopping Fev & Brown was still pivotal to the outcome.

Were you watching the same game??

Fev got 3 goals, his goal was due to the ball going over Jammo's head who had made good position of Fev, Fev soccered the ball off the ground, his second came when Thorton missed a mark and JB picked up the ball and hit Fev on the chest with a quick turnover, and his 3rd came from a free kick which clearly wasn't a free kick.

So to say Fev had to work for his is a joke, massive joke, Fev got lucky with all 3, he could have easily finished the game with zero, Jammo flogged him.

Hendos first was a handball over the top from Betts when Merritt left him alone, his second came from a free for being tripped and his 3rd came from a hadball about 25 out and he baulked a player to straighten up and slotted it.
 
Agreed, Brennan wasn't nearly as damaging as last week (would be pretty tough to back that up!). But again, he was definitely no slouch, as I said, most tackles despite playing very, very tired.

Excuse it all i'm hearing, oh he only had 5 day recovery, is he an elite athlete??

I guess JB was also very tired from the game the week before also then, didn't stop him....

Brennan is a talent that is yet to prove totally how good he can be, he is inconsistant and that showed last night, had nothing to do with the 5 day break.



That said, there were some serious under-performers last year. Black is yet to get up and running, and there is quite clearly something not quite right about Clark (was sick last week, yet was hardly more effective last night). Once he gets back to 2009 form, save a serious improvement from Kreuzer (which isn't beyond him at this stage of his development), I daresay we'll have the dominant ruckman the next time we meet. All of this is irrelevant- the game will be within 3 goals regardless.;)

Clarke i suspect was a one year wonder and will now come back to the pack, but in all honesty its hard to keep up with a great athlete like Kruezer and then have to ruck against a guy 206cms.

Clarke won't do any better next time, bookmark it!!

I'll take your ignoring of my comments on Yarran as a sign of you agreeing with my prediction that he would have little to no impact.

So you make a statement that Yarran does nothing when the heat is on...the kid has only played played 6 games or so...easy call, well done, points to you, hats off!!!
 

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