Roast Round 3 post game rant thread

[JuddyBuddy]

Re: Not Happy!

As someone commented about the look on rattens face in the box that's a look of a man disappointed his men cant get what he teaches them or in the least are not good enough to follow it .

If his players can't get what he is teaching them than maybe the relationship isn't working? Or maybe it's the latter part of your comment there and they are just not good enough to follow it. Either way, we have a problem.

 

[Gibbs_09]

Re: Not Happy!

Rank that game as bad as the 2nd half blowout we had against the scum last year. Insipid, shocking use of the ball. No structure. Dissapointed is an understatement.

+1 to that... disposal had to be the worst I've seen since 2007. Couple that with the fact we showed no heart or desire whatsoever and that equals a very sickening feeling inside. Trying to stay positive (as in a previous post in this thread) but far out it just saddens me to watch this side play such insipid football. My grandma could have used the footy better tonight.

 

[ESKIE]

Re: Not Happy!

Wrong. Players make coaches, not the other way around. It is why Barassi was successful at Carlton & North but not at Melbourne or Sydney. It is why Hafey coaches 4 premierships at Richmond, but none at Collingwood, Geelong or Sydney & why Malthouse coaches 2 premierships at the Eagles & none at Collingwood.

Blaming/sacking coaches is the easy way out. Making players accountable for their performances becomes harder & harder because of the smaller playing lists nowadays.

If you can honestly tell me that 22 players gave their best tonight, then we have a problem. The fact is the draft, plus healthy player contracts mean you don't necessarily get everything out of some players. Past Carlton players like Curly Austin, Barry Armstrong, Neil Chandler, among many other lesser lights, would choke on what they see (or should that be don't see) from some Carlton players.

You can't motivate players who don't understand what a great privilege it is to wear the Navy Blue & White.

Have to disagree, there is merit in the romantic side, playing for the jumper, but leadership and coaching, tactics seriously are the key, Barassi was an amazing motivator of men....zero tonight, ratten;s uncertainty and lack of confidence showed in the players.

Too many times we seem to be out coached and tonight was a perfect example....I kept thinking just move Waite, stop going wide, he seems to be easily outplayed, panic seems to trickle down, I believe our club lacks leadership, tonights loss is totally unacceptable, to make excuses is worse.
The most disappointing home and away loss for a long time .. considering what was at stake.

 

[Vin Catoggio]

Re: Not Happy!

Ok, Im only an intermintant poster but here is my perspective on tonight-and it's a perspective in working towards our next flag in 3 plus years time. As another poster said 'it's flags that count'. Yes we were so bad in so many areas tonight against an understrength bummers, but what is important is what everyone at the club from bootstudder to match commitee learn from the game.

Sure it hurts like s..t now,will it improve us in the long (next flag) term? Who knows but it's more games into a learning ruck division, more games builing leadership amongst the group without Judd,3 games into a new forward structure, working out who will and won't be in our next premiersip team and blooding a new youngster in Lucas.

We are still a lot closer to a flag than the bummers, save up the home and away embarrasments a give it to the back in spades when we win our 17th.

That's it, feel free to burn me......

 

[incog43]

Re: Not Happy!

Disgusted.

No passion, motivation, or desperation. Something is very wrong at Visy Park, if this sort of 'performance' continues.

Don't know if its the players, Ratts, or both. Worst performance I've seen in a long time.

Theres somthing rotten at the core of our club, the players and coach cannot handle pressure, we lose the tight games, no self belief perhaps.

Our skills are terrible, work out who can cut it and send the rest to the ants.

Harvey has taken Freo further than ratten has taken us, 3 number 1 picks, Judd, Warnock.

Move this spud on and get a gun in. We have the money and resources.

Belief starts from the top, tbh tho, if the players couldnt motivate themselves for a game like this its a disgrace, are they too scared of winning..or losing?

 

[sherb]

Re: Not Happy!

If the players are not prepared to do the hard yards then it is obvious that they are not passionate about playing for the club and the jumper and should be sent to the reserves.

This is not the problem of the coach... it is a mental problem for the players and they need to start getting their heads right...

Agreed.

The modern phenomenon of no personal responsibility is being argued by some here, ie if the players don't play well it is somebody else's fault (in this case the coach).

Apparently the players aren't responsible for being 100% motivated, working on and improving their skills, implementing game plans to the letter, etc.

 

[dumb]

Re: Not Happy!

hard to say where the skill problems begin and ratts poorness begins. i'm thinking it's a more during the week type thing, if we played tidier ratts would have looked much better. it's hard to blame coaching game-plans alone if the players can't hit a player 30 metres away. it's like they need to set aside a week of skills and goal-kicking drills.

 

[zillmere]

Re: Not Happy!

We can talk all day about skills but that is only half the problem.

Why were the essondon players harder at the ball than our blokes all game?

Too many guys hanging back leaving the tough stuff for others. Nobody running for each other to create space. No desperation.

 

[Close to 17]

Re: Not Happy!

If the players are not prepared to do the hard yards then it is obvious that they are not passionate about playing for the club and the jumper and should be sent to the reserves.

This is not the problem of the coach... it is a mental problem for the players and they need to start getting their heads right...

It is the coach's job to realise who does and who doesn't consistently have their heads right and fix it

Nothing is being fixed

 

[mediumsizered]

Re: Not Happy!

Are you serious? Barrassi should be credited with lifting the Swans out of the murky depths to the '96 GF. Rocket didn't do all it in a year. Ron certainly laid the foundations there for him.

Did they win a premiership? If not, why not? I will answer that for you, they were not good enough. Nothing to do with any failing on Barassi or Eade's part.

Talent wise, which Sydney side was better? The Hafey coached side of the '80s or the Roos coached side of 2005? Once again, I will answer that for you. The Sydney side of the '80s. Why didn't they win a premiership? Not because Hafey was a lousy coach (4 premierships in 8 seasons at Richmond will tell you that), but because not enough of them had a passion for the Swans' guernsey.

 

[dumb]

Re: Not Happy!

i was never under any illusions, and i understood/or expected that given we're without fev it would be something of a developmental year but i would have been happily surprised if we made the 8. what i wasn't expecting was total ****-ups and skills gone almost back to the drawing board.

 

[basil00]

Re: Not Happy!

Agree with the 90% calling for Ratts's head. I hope Laidley can get away from Port?

 

[mediumsizered]

Re: Not Happy!

Agree with the 90% calling for Ratts's head. I hope Laidley can get away from Port?

How many premierships did Laidley coach at North? Now there is a club who has had players prepared to give there all for their guernsey, regardless of who is coaching.

 

[Chodders]

Re: Not Happy!

Laidley is definitely not the solution and neither is sacking the coach. I think a couple of hard training sessions might be more in order. The coach can't kick the goals or take the marks for the players.

 

[DJMacca]

Re: Not Happy!

Sadly I'm leaning towards a new coach as well. I really hope ratts can get

the side up and about but to lose six times in a row against a mediocre team

is a signal that something is wrong.

 

[TommyAlvinsWig]

Re: Not Happy!

We can talk all day about skills but that is only half the problem.

Why were the essondon players harder at the ball than our blokes all game?

Too many guys hanging back leaving the tough stuff for others. Nobody running for each other to create space. No desperation.

^^^^ This.

In the first half every time the ball was turned over my blood pressure would instantly go through the roof as I saw four or five essendon players running without a blues player in the shot. Where the hell were they?????

Not hard enough in the contest, and the whole night was summarised when Hendo took a mark on the boundary late in the game (3rd q?), turned and just threw his arms out in frustration as he did not have a single option to kick to.

There were a few angles from behind a blues player with the ball and you could see their issue - one player at most trying to lead whilst the rest just jogged with a bombers player right next to them. No effort = no chance.

Lazy and insipid. I'm disappointed that I would use these words for the team I love, but I know no other way to describe it.

/rant

 

[incog43]

Re: Walker vs Joe Anderson

Terrible skills by the whole team. Why am I not surprised that only certain ones get singled out though.

Hey, he is a spud, no need to be surprised at all ODN.

Yes, I agree the entire teams skills were woeful, but lets keep posts to less than 2 pages

Walker is a list clogger, has a few to keep him company though

 

[Close to 17]

Re: Not Happy!

Agreed.

The modern phenomenon of no personal responsibility is being argued by some here, ie if the players don't play well it is somebody else's fault (in this case the coach).

Apparently the players aren't responsible for being 100% motivated, working on and improving their skills, implementing game plans to the letter, etc.

No, no, no

The coach is responsible for drafting these players to the club in the first place

He has the resposibility for poor performance full stop

He has created the situation we find ourselves in now

1 and 2. Low confidence. No real game plan. Poor execution of basic skills. A nighmare run of opposition teams to come

If we are 1 and 6 or 1 and 8 I bet your tune will change significantly

 

[Warsaw]

Re: Not Happy!

If we can't make the Finals this year then Ratts` name deserves to be on the chopping block.

 

[incog43]

Re: Walker vs Joe Anderson

By the way, I think Anderson is a borderline spud as well, so nothing personal against Andy Walker, its a real toss up between these two.

 

[The Real Deal]

Re: Not Happy!

It again comes down to recruiting. We use 3 picks to get Warnock and there's massive doubts over him at this stage, 2 top ten picks in Russell and Walker still struggle with disposal and being able to execute under pressure, Bower gets injured and there's no other talls to come in, Fev goes and we have no other top forward to bridge the gap, the list goes on.

Nightmare draw coming up, finals looking a long way away...

 

[ESKIE]

Re: Not Happy!

Laidley is definitely not the solution and neither is sacking the coach. I think a couple of hard training sessions might be more in order. The coach can't kick the goals or take the marks for the players.

Yeh but discipline, belief, leadership and tactics do help,

Hard training at round 3 if they haven;t got it yet WTF

 

[XXX KINGS]

Re: Not Happy!

A funny joke:

What is full of holes yet doesn't exist?

Answer: The Carlton gameplan.


This week at training they had survivor theme and undertook a series of challenges that provided the winners with an immunity pass from sheperding and playing hard at the ball...

We had 22 winners

 

[jj1978]

Re: Not Happy!

• Gibbs, Murphy really are peeing me off this season so far... flashes of 5 mins here and there and no consistancy.. they seem to think they can just turn it on when needed.
• Warnock negates all the good he does... he wins a tap does a decent rove... then screws up a handpass or kick... Jacobs/Hampson have their chance.. lets hope they take it on.
• I believe if we had Parkin/Malthouse/Matthews/Eade/Williams/Blight coaching us tonight we would of won... not because of tactics but because these coaches would've told the 16 heartless players out there (Scotland, Jamison, Simpson, Lucas, Kreuzer, Armfield the 6 exclusions) to pull their fingers out of their backsides.
• Houlihan, Walker, Warnock are three that should be dropped to the 2's to get some heart and skills... with Armfield, Carazzo needing some major skill practice this week.
• Another point on the coach... if we had a stronger coach and team... do you think Fev would've stepped over the line so many times?
• Our powers that be that decided to fight Judds 3 game suspension instead of taking the 2 should be shot.
• Does anyone else get the feeling that Ratten is too soft on these players? Very much like Brad Scott saying he wont scold players etc... well lets hope Ratts has the balls like Scott did to train these players hard this week.
• Yet again we bring the out of form Essendon players back in form.... hello Mark Williams
• I'm disgusted, saddened, angry, appalled, disgraced, embarrassed, sick and tired, shattered....

 

[mediumsizered]

Re: Not Happy!

No, no, no

The coach is responsible for drafting these players to the club in the first place
He has the resposibility for poor performance full stop

He has created the situation we find ourselves in now

1 and 2. Low confidence. No real game plan. Poor execution of basic skills. A nighmare run of opposition teams to come

If we are 1 and 6 or 1 and 8 I bet your tune will change significantly

Is he? I thought that was the job of the recruiting manager, but more importantly, 12 members of tonight's team were recruited prior to Ratts taking on the job. Maybe Denis Pagan should take some of the blame. You remember him, he coached North to 2 premierships, yet had no success at Carlton. Somewhere between the transition from North to Carlton, he lost his ability to motivate players, because it wasn't the 'cattle' he had at North that made him successful (they were no better than the list he had at Carlton, were they), just his incredible ability to motivate the players.