Game Day Round 8 vs. Richmond, Sat 07/05, 1:45pm MCG

[#26]

Youre missing the part when he said to get 10-15 games into a kid. He wasnt sugesting we tank to lose games He was suggesting that we develop the kids and if that kid makes a few mistakes or does not contribute as much as WHE and we lose a match or 2 because of it, then he was okay with that.
Im with him in terms of developing kids as quickly as possible. But I also think that you can introduce too many kids and that if this happens it can be detrimental for their development. The right mix of senior players and kids is needed to maximise their development. I personally think WHE is a slightly better option then the kids listed by many to replace him and he may also bring leadership and help develop the kids around him. But I wouldnt be against a kid taking his spot. Im really on the fence with this one. But the coaches seam to love WHE and I dont see him being dropped any time soon.

Again. A player like WHE isn't the difference between us winning and losing. He's just one of those players who is there to get his 15-20 touches a game and support the match winners. Every team has players like him.

 

[adge0001]

WHE doesn’t seem to be playing the same roll he did a few years ago.


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[Timmy from Thomastown]

Again. A player like WHE isn't the difference between us winning and losing.

No but Poulter might be.

WHE is currently best 22 and well deserving of his spot in the side. We already have Bianco Henry Ginnivan McCreery Begg Daicos and others in the starting 22 alongside some slightly more experienced young players like T Brown Quaynor and J Daicos. We currently don’t have room for any more youngsters without risking losing games we should win.

If anybody says they are happy putting a side out there that doesn’t give us our best chance to win then they are not real supporters,

Poulter and others like McRae will just have to wait and keep performing. Opportunities will open up in time.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Just jumped on Tigers board for a look and I need to rinse my eyeballs with acid.

Seems they're more concerned with bashing Ginnivan which is a bit rich given they had the most annoying small forward in Higgins not long ago.

Funny thing is, tho, Pies fans seem to spend all our time rinsing our own players while other supporters spend their time rinsing the opposition. It's a funny thing...

Richmond fans obsess over Jack Ginnivan, Collingwood fans obsess over Will Hoskin Elliott?!?

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Again. A player like WHE isn't the difference between us winning and losing.

I agree generally. But everyone in the team contributes a little to us winning or losing. Its not as black and white as your statement suggests. There is a chance that a kid replacing WHE may cost us a game. Missing the winning goal, making a mistake in front of goal. Not taking that beautiful mark that WHE takes every second game. WHE with his experience is an okay player and does some nice things.

 

[#26]

Richmond fans obsess over Jack Ginnivan, Collingwood fans obsess over Will Hoskin Elliott?!?

I know. The hand-wringing that goes on about mid-tier players being mid-tier players is baffling.

 

[sr36]

Youre missing the part when he said to get 10-15 games into a kid. He wasnt sugesting we tank to lose games He was suggesting that we develop the kids and if that kid makes a few mistakes or does not contribute as much as WHE and we lose a match or 2 because of it, then he was okay with that.
Im with him in terms of developing kids as quickly as possible. But I also think that you can introduce too many kids and that if this happens it can be detrimental for their development. The right mix of senior players and kids is needed to maximise their development. I personally think WHE is a slightly better option then the kids listed by many to replace him and he may also bring leadership and help develop the kids around him. But I wouldnt be against a kid taking his spot. Im really on the fence with this one. But the coaches seam to love WHE and I dont see him being dropped any time soon.

My take is that an enormous amount of oxygen is wasted discussing the last five players picked in the team. You're generally talking small margins either way.

Games of AFL aren't magic development chips the way the wasting games argument seems to suggest. Kids with the ability and work ethic will develop really well if the training and vfl program is sound.

None of the kids in the vfl are finished products who are knocking the door down with outstanding performance and just need to get up to the speed of the AFL. And when you can't see what a bloke offers and the coach keeps picking him, there's a fair chance that you're missing something, not the coach. Back in the coaches call and don't worry about it.

 

[Wearmouth]

The problem with the Melbourne model is that they're not going to get any more high picks. I think they're stuffed.

No. What they do have is an excellent recruiting team that will still pick the eyes out of the drafts selecting good kids for them to develop.

If they keep their support structures behind Goodwin they’ll be relevant for some time yet.

But hey if they win again this year. They would have won as many as us over the same period as our droughts.


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[The Phantom]

Just jumped on Tigers board for a look and I need to rinse my eyeballs with acid.

Seems they're more concerned with bashing Ginnivan which is a bit rich given they had the most annoying small forward in Higgins not long ago.

Funny thing is, tho, Pies fans seem to spend all our time rinsing our own players while other supporters spend their time rinsing the opposition. It's a funny thing...

Had a look earlier myself.
Wow.
The 1980s style misogynistic bogan speak on there is outta control.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

No. What they do have is an excellent recruiting team that will still pick the eyes out of the drafts selecting good kids for them to develop.

If they keep their support structures behind Goodwin they’ll be relevant for some time yet.

But hey if they win again this year. They would have won as many as us over the same period as our droughts.


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Whoosh that went over your head.

Suggest you avoid the whipping boy thread

 

[whiskeytown]

We should be proud that we hold our own players to a higher standard… and that we are focusing on what the next top 4 team will look like

Otherwise just follow St kilda and be content with the wooden spoons

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

No. What they do have is an excellent recruiting team that will still pick the eyes out of the drafts selecting good kids for them to develop.

If they keep their support structures behind Goodwin they’ll be relevant for some time yet.

But hey if they win again this year. They would have won as many as us over the same period as our droughts.


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And if we win one we equal the Cats, Lions and the Tigers in the AFL era and equal with the Blues and Essendon in the VFL/AFL era. Im not sure why people make statements like this.

 

[well left]

Yes, we’ll be in strife in either Moore or Howe cop an injury. Seems a very strange week to drop Madge.

Then again, we’re going in with one of our most high-skilled line-ups in memory. Nearly everyone a good ball-user - that hasn’t been the case for many years.


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I’m tipping Madgen to be the sub, if he’s not a late inclusion.


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[Maggie5]

No. What they do have is an excellent recruiting team that will still pick the eyes out of the drafts selecting good kids for them to develop.

If they keep their support structures behind Goodwin they’ll be relevant for some time yet.

But hey if they win again this year. They would have won as many as us over the same period as our droughts.


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Who in their current team hasn't been a top pick either at Melbourne or another club?

 

[well left]

No but Poulter might be.

WHE is currently best 22 and well deserving of his spot in the side. We already have Bianco Henry Ginnivan McCreery Begg Daicos and others in the starting 22 alongside some slightly more experienced young players like T Brown Quaynor and J Daicos. We currently don’t have room for any more youngsters without risking losing games we should win.

If anybody says they are happy putting a side out there that doesn’t give us our best chance to win then they are not real supporters,

Poulter and others like McRae will just have to wait and keep performing. Opportunities will open up in time.

The interesting call will be when Elliott is ready to return and who makes way.

Is it McCreery, Henry, Bianco or does WHE come under scrutiny then?


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[Wearmouth]

Whoosh that went over your head.

Suggest you avoid the whipping boy thread

We are not in the Whiny Boy Thread. We are in a normal thread. You guys want to play Dungeons and Dragons and look at bra catalogues do it in the privacy of your own rooms like all prepubescent boys.


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[Wearmouth]

And if we win one we equal the Cats, Lions and the Tigers in the AFL era and equal with the Blues and Essendon in the VFL/AFL era. Im not sure why people make statements like this.

Yeah I think we are a long long way off equally the Tuggers. They have 8 in the same time period. But good try….


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[Timmy from Thomastown]

The interesting call will be when Elliott is ready to return and who makes way.

Is it McCreery, Henry, Bianco or does WHE come under scrutiny then?


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Depends how they all play. You’d assume bianco might be most vulnerable but by the same token there might be a spot upfield for him.

I’d hope Henry as a taller marking target gets a decent run at it in the absence of Kreuger.

 

[Wearmouth]

Who in their current team hasn't been a top pick either at Melbourne or another club?

I’ll let you do your own ground work. Go through the last 5 years of drafts and see why they’ve now had success.

I’ve seen. And it’s that they’ve hit the mark in most of those drafts. And if you do the redraft again they have picked some exciting players later.

Their success like any other flag hopefuls is that they’ve hit the mark with a 3/4 player haul in a few drafts and that’s what builds a success team.

We’ve had the same when we put together the list that won in 2010 and also again with the team that almost took it out in 2018.

When you see it, you’ll understand why. I’m not here to do your research for you.


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[Kirby]

Yeah I think we are a long long way off equally the Tuggers. They have 8 in the same time period. But good try….


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You might need to rethink that

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

We are not in the Whiny Boy Thread. We are in a normal thread. You guys want to play Dungeons and Dragons and look at bra catalogues do it in the privacy of your own rooms like all prepubescent boys.


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Yep, it definitely went over your head.

Whoosh

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Yeah I think we are a long long way off equally the Tuggers. They have 8 in the same time period. But good try….


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AFL era started 1990. They have 3 we have 2. But I think you miss the point. Lets select some meaningless time period to show how bad a team is. Why do people do this?

 

[JoinDate]

One particular poster in this thread keeps punching himself in the face and I'm all for it.

 

[sideswipe]

I’ll let you do your own ground work. Go through the last 5 years of drafts and see why they’ve now had success.

I’ve seen. And it’s that they’ve hit the mark in most of those drafts. And if you do the redraft again they have picked some exciting players later.

Their success like any other flag hopefuls is that they’ve hit the mark with a 3/4 player haul in a few drafts and that’s what builds a success team.

We’ve had the same when we put together the list that won in 2010 and also again with the team that almost took it out in 2018.

When you see it, you’ll understand why. I’m not here to do your research for you.


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Your writing style is whimsical and endearing.


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[Maggie5]

I’ll let you do your own ground work.


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No you made the statement.