Discussion Saints part ways with recruiting manager after restructure

[George]

You clearly missed my self-deprecating humour.

Ok then... how's this?

4 foot brigade? 4 foot? Did you p*ss next to me at the footy and sneak a peak?

No I got it, I'm streets ahead of many here when it comes to intellect, humour and good-looks

 

[sunny3193]

No I got it, I'm streets ahead of many here when it comes to intellect, humour and good-looks

Cul de sac?

 

[George]

Cul de sac?

Craigs ahead

 

[Dr Spaceman]

 

[Mowman]

No I got it, I'm streets ahead of many here when it comes to intellect, humour and good-looks

Wisdom has been chasing you, but you have always been faster

 

[George]

Wisdom has been chasing you, but you have always been faster

I have admitted here publicly and privately many times that I hope one day in the future I can be even 25% of the man you are. I adore you.

 

[Mowman]

I have admitted here publicly and privately many times that I hope one day in the future I can be even 25% of the man you are. I adore you.

you're not the 1st to say this

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The more intelligent and handsome among us said this from day 1

But what were you saying?

 

[ScrappyDo]

Still have to get them right. I rate Toce. Hope Dalrymple hasn't lost his mojo or arsed his time at the Dogs.

Agreed. I find it odd they didn't put Dalrymple in Gubby's position and keep Toce on.
Maybe he didn't want to stay on as 2nd banana.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Lethers is s**t. Bassat looks like the instigator. Lethlean would have ****ed the club empowering himself and Rath. Dodged a bullet and won by getting him out of the footy department. Losing Finnis was a good move too.

Maybe you know more than me but l just don't see enough to brand him as s***.
If Basset didn't rate him he wouldn't be CEO now.

 

[St Neil]

When he went to the Swans it was meant to be working along side Kinnear Beatson as part of a dream team. I'm not sure if Sydney had anyone particularly impressive under him. I thought maybe Dalrymple wants out of the shadow of Beatson.

Lyon might not be the best coach going around but he knows how to structure a club in a pro-standard way. Bassat is doing very god work so far. We are wanting for nothing any more.

Bang on mate. Dalrymple wasn’t drafting the players at the Swans. That is done by Kinnear Beatson with the assistance of Jason Taylor.

If you look at the footage of the National Draft Beatson is conferring with Taylor. Dalrymple is further along the table.

I suspect Dalrymple’s role at Sydney was identifying and preparing background information about the talent, but Beatson was ultimately making the final decisions.

Dalrymple had drafting responsibilities at the Bulldogs and will presumably do so again at the Saints. It appears his role with us is combining his previous roles with the Swans and Bulldogs.

If so I can see why he was attracted to his new role at the Saints.

 

[George]

Some off topic news but Jason Cripps

Jason Cripps

Age

48

Ht

183cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

8.6

3star

HB

5.2

4star

HO

0.1

3star

No current season stats available

D

7.2

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

2.4

3star

HO

0.0

1star

is now living back in Melbourne permanently. Goes to the same physio as I do and physio told me last week. Will keep sniffing for more info

 

[kernelT]

Some off topic news but Jason Cripps is now living back in Melbourne permanently. Goes to the same physio as I do and physio told me last week. Will keep sniffing for more info

Any news on Tom Lynch or Salopek chief?

 

[George]

Any news on Tom Lynch or Salopek chief?

I've lined up my 2024 appointments right next to his so I will have a word, although after the pasting RTB gave Tom I'm not sure if we will see a reunion

 

[gringo2011]

Lethers wanted to make rath and gags joint heads of footy

Finnis wanted everyone to be there for 10 years

The real change seems to be bassat like ya said. Sounds like they burned him and since then he's been more hands on because he got fed bullshit by not being as involved

But I think the real instigator here is probably Lyon. He's been very vocal about the soft cap and salary cap. I think he gets that it's all about maximising your spend. We have had alot of bodies on the payroll. I think he's just making sure we spend our money wisely.

Remember when Finnis put Peta Searle into a assistant coaching role because it would look like great for our inclusivity instead of chasing the absolute best candidate? The days of hanging onto second-rate footy department remoras that seemed to defy normal employment systems? Richo was our second longest serving coach despite having the worst winning record of any coach over 100 games or something.

We were absolutely lost as to how to structure up a footy department so just made random grabs at people who we thought looked good on paper. Lyon's negotiation seemed be about having a guarantee on being able to make his own cals and chase his people. To me it looked like Lyon could see where the problems inside the club sat.

Pretty sure that Finnis had a pretty serious austerity program for the club unless it looked progressive and had nothing to do with footy.

 

[gringo2011]

What was the split with Dalrymple and Beatson? If he still has a lot of say, then the biggest benefit is probably the gap that we had in the 2004 onward era - lack of decent picks and a struggle to nail picks.

We had an okay run with guys like Stanley, Lynch, McEvoy, Stuv etc. But the gap between Brendan Goddard and King was pretty much absolute shit. Worst recruiting in the league with the least AAs, Brownlow votes etc.

John Beverage tried to retire and we made him come back part time and then had a flirtation with the Geelong bloke who seemed to crack the shits when Lyon went after ready made like Pattison, Polo, Gamble, Peake types.

 

[gringo2011]

Maybe you know more than me but l just don't see enough to brand him as s***.
If Basset didn't rate him he wouldn't be CEO now.

I think having him in the administration is a better fit. He was a mess in the footy department. He made shit move faster but not many of his moves hit target. He was in the executive as part of the AFL. Why we'd get him in to do a list review is beyond me. Looks like the AFL wanted us to give him a job.

CEO is at least in his field of expertise. You don't get the accountant to service your car. That shit's on Finnis and the board not him.

 

[saintmike65]

We had an okay run with guys like Stanley, Lynch, McEvoy, Stuv etc. But the gap between Brendan Goddard and King was pretty much absolute s**t. Worst recruiting in the league with the least AAs, Brownlow votes etc.

John Beverage tried to retire and we made him come back part time and then had a flirtation with the Geelong bloke who seemed to crack the shits when Lyon went after ready made like Pattison, Polo, Gamble etc.

Bang on mate. Dalrymple wasn’t drafting the players at the Swans. That is done by Kinnear Beatson with the assistance of Jason Taylor.

If you look at the footage of the National Draft Beatson is conferring with Taylor. Dalrymple is further along the table.

I suspect Dalrymple’s role at Sydney was identifying and preparing background information about the talent, but Beatson was ultimately making the final decisions.

Dalrymple had drafting responsibilities at the Bulldogs and will presumably do so again at the Saints. It appears his role with us is combining his previous roles with the Swans and Bulldogs.

If so I can see why he was attracted to his new role at the Saints.

Jason Taylor is recruiting manager at Melbourne.

 

[saintmike65]

I have high hopes for Keeler if he has the application his footy ability and athleticism look great on highlights.

Hotton and Keeler both slid…there’s usually a reason for that!

 

[Joffaboy]

People need to cut some of the people being s.hitcanned on here some slack.

Finnis if not known for anything else put the foundations into the bedrock at the Saints.

When he came we were an absolute basket case, hang on to the dregs of the Lyon era players, with no players coming through, a stagnant membership, and the club hemorrhaging cash hand over fist.

The club bottomed at the wrong time of compromised drafts and the only top 5 picks we had we butchered.

Finnis had to be convinced to join the Saints and had a monumental task. He got us out of Seaford, rebuilt Linton St, stabilised the finances, membership began to improve and started the process of getting the admin going in the right direction.
So we had the first building block of identity in place with the sparkling facility at Moorabbin.

Lethlean was groomed for a top slot in the corporation until he went the full Don Draper at work, except it was the 2010's not the 60's. The AFL wanted him in the industry so he was given the job at the Saints. He wasn't suited to the footy dept, however he was the direct conduit to Gill and H.O. which was a valuable asset. Anything needed from the top is easier with an insider working for you.

He was the perfect man for the review, directly in his wheelhouse. The AFL wanted stability after Finnis and Lethlean was the perfect candidate to step into that role. Regardless of whether the AFL wanted him.or not, if he was no good Bassett would have flicked him.. He isn't a multi millionaire from luck. He is savvy on the business side.
Then we have the business itself. Having worked in a membership organisation for 20 years, I can assure you the pressure is on to please the members, and in my industry, their wasn't 17 other organisations going for the same limited sponsorship $$, membership $, and living and dying by the results.
I can tell you our members were proud but not irrationally passionate like a football club member is. Every year the pressure is immense to deliver, at any moment the members can spill a board, usually with disastrous conquences.
Then there is the AFL, the owner of the teams in reality. They dictate policy and compromise, to dividends, SC, soft caps, draft picks, NGA's, the fixture and countless other uneven playing field events. To have Lethlean at the Saints has helped us navigate the politics of the AFL.

Finnis and Lethlean walked into a basket case and has put in the foundations at the Saints which has never been there before. It has allowed us to get Lyon back and to build on our identity at Linton St with brilliant facilities, Saints people like Lenny, Harvs, bj, all Saints greats, Enright, a great of those Geelong teams, SOS, Allen, a recruiting legend amongst AFL insiders, and now Dalrymple, apparently a masterful recruiter.
Would we have any of these people if it wasn't for what Finnis and Lethlean put in place from the wreckage of the mid 2010's?



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[sammm]

Lethers is s**t. Bassat looks like the instigator. Lethlean would have ****ed the club empowering himself and Rath. Dodged a bullet and won by getting him out of the footy department. Losing Finnis was a good move too.

Lethlean would now be getting in the $$$ and the sponsors that's his job. He is not doing a bad job.

 

[sammm]

The most noteworthy thing he did at St Kilda was brake a players leg.

As a recruiter, not sure that snyone on the outside would be able to tell.

 

[The Cobra]

Finnis- gave us A grade Facilities & stabilised the Finances - without those 2 building blocks we would be F….d.

A lot of alliteration!

He was probably 2 woke for mine & neglected the footy department but sometimes in business you just can’t do it all at the same time.

AFL is big boys club & not a company with proper governance- never forget that - very handy that Lethlean can pick up the phone & have a chat to his old chums!

 

[stavro#4]

When he went to the Swans it was meant to be working along side Kinnear Beatson as part of a dream team. I'm not sure if Sydney had anyone particularly impressive under him. I thought maybe Dalrymple wants out of the shadow of Beatson.

Lyon might not be the best coach going around but he knows how to structure a club in a pro-standard way. Bassat is doing very god work so far. We are wanting for nothing any more.

Bang on mate. Dalrymple wasn’t drafting the players at the Swans. That is done by Kinnear Beatson with the assistance of Jason Taylor.

If you look at the footage of the National Draft Beatson is conferring with Taylor. Dalrymple is further along the table.

I suspect Dalrymple’s role at Sydney was identifying and preparing background information about the talent, but Beatson was ultimately making the final decisions.

Dalrymple had drafting responsibilities at the Bulldogs and will presumably do so again at the Saints. It appears his role with us is combining his previous roles with the Swans and Bulldogs.

If so I can see why he was attracted to his new role at the Saints.

He held the same role at Sydney as Toce held with us.

However the role he has been employed for is going to include working directly with Gubby regarding existing player movement.

“Following this review, the decision has been made to introduce a new role, talent identification and player movement manager, which will report into our head of talent and acquisition, Graeme Allan.”

 

[St Neil]

Jason Taylor is recruiting manager at Melbourne.

Replace Jason Taylor with Chris Keane (Senior Recruiting Analyst). My bad.

Just as an aside, when the Swans announced Dalrymple was leaving they went through the motions of thanking him and wishing him well in his new role.

But they only mentioned that this new role was with a Melbourne based club. They couldn’t even specify that Dalrymple’s new role was with St Kilda.

I wonder if the Swans are rather shitty that he has left them.