Saints team vs. Richmond

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Last time that St Kilda played Richmond was Rd 22 last year. It was a rather tight match, similar to the previous meeting Rd13 last year. Richmond went on to collect the wooden spoon while the Saints ended the season having gone backwards over their previous three years finals finishes.

Both clubs were in a process of renewal. The Tigers were rebuilding and their lowly position on the ladder belied their improvement on the field all season. The Saints had appointed a new coach and suffered a continuation of their "injury curse" especially for the first half of the season. The players undertook to learn the new gameplan that their new highly qualified coach devised. For the second half of the season, the Saints were the third most highly performed club (behind the two Grand Finalists). It wasn't enough to get them into the finals though.

Our recent history against Richmond reflects the fortunes of both clubs over that period of time. We haven't lost to Richmond since that match in rd 4 2003. Grant Thomas declared that the Saints should have beaten the Richmond outfit who they had just lost to because they were the better team. The next nine matches have proven that to be a rather precise assessment.

Code:
Year Rd Winner Margin For Agst
2007 22 MCG STK  10 102  92
2007 13  CS STK  17 117 100
2006 17 MCG STK 103 174  71
2006  2  CS STK  11  88  77
2005 16 MCG STK  69 106  37
2005  5  CS STK  68 147  79
2004 16  CS STK  44 105  61
2004  3  CS STK  45 114  69
2003 19  CS STK  80 130  50
2003  4  CS RIC  26 107  81
2002  9  CS STK   9  72  63
2001 13  CS RIC  39 126  87
2000 20 MCG RIC  40 119  79
2000  5  CS RIC  26 110  84

This year all of that history goes out the window. Richmond have turned the corner and are now improving (after gorging heavily and lengthily with their snouts in the draft pick trough). They are playing a better style of football. Their playing group are maturing into a fine team which gels and plays for each other.

The Saints too have improved. The club has recruited cleverly by trading to overcome any weaknesses in their playing group. Also they have resumed a recruiting policy of bringing through youth which is beginning to produce results. Most of the playing group have a season under Ross Lyon to fall back on.

The Saints need success to reinforce the work they have been doing on the training tracks. The more success we have, the more confident we will be with our game. The more we will trust our instinctive responses and the better we'll get.

The secret to our success in the past has been our attack on the man when they have the ball - our pressure forces them to make mistakes. It also makes the opposition think twice before doing things - that slight delay is enough to put them under pressure. Also our fierce attack on the ball when it is free and a pre-arranged division of labour so that receivers are waiting to set up an overlap to spirit the ball away. If we can move the ball fast enough, we can break up their defensive structure forcing the opponents to a one on one defence and then we rotate players until a favourable mismatch is created that we immediately try to capitalise on.

The team will be improved by virtue of having Michael Gardiner in the ruck, although he returns from injury so Kosi may have to carry the brunt of the load. Schneider is also a major plus, a quick with amazing footskills - he can be very damaging. Fraser Gehrig takes Kosi's key forward spot. Hopefully Wallace will underestimate the dual Coleman medallist. If not, he will draw a key defender and possibly nab a few goals.

Looks like we intend to score a few goals this week...

I like the emergencies :

McEvoy - in case Gardiner has to pull out (again)

Allen - would probably have been in if it weren't for Gehrigs record against Richmond

Raph Clarke - as I said in another thread, I admit that I like him and would like to see him in a new position in case Schneider has to pull out (again)

I am a bit suprised to see Leigh Fisher and Blake dropped, as both, while not the most talented, will never be short of full commitment and courage. I suppose that this indicates that Lyon wants to start playing football rather than preventing the other team from playing football.

Agree with Dominique exactly
 
St Kildas recent record against Richmond is impressive, no doubt about that.

But we should not forget the circumstances of Rd 22 last year. True, after Adelaides win over Collingwood (who were not trying too hard and were happy to meet Sydney in the first round of the finals), we were playing for nothing except to organise a nice farewell game for Gehrig. But on the other hand, Richmond needed to lose to keep their wodden spoon and No. 1 draft pick (I remember Wallace being more or less honest about this issue and that he did not like this aspect of coaching).

Let's face it - Richmond were all over us in the 3rd quarter and should have easily won that match (anyone remember St Kildas performance in last quarters last year ?).

But one match that may be in the back of Richmonds heads is the 1st round NAB Cup this year. Sure, it was only the NAB Cup, but Richmond fielded a team close to their best, while the Saints, well, gave others a chance. Still, Richmond was never close and St Kildas young and inexperienced team controlled them from the first bounce.

Confidence is very important these days (Geelong is the best example - at this time last year they were about to sack their coach and now they appear to be a class of their own) and a lack of the same may slow some players down if things don't work out as planned.

Anyway - GO SAINTS !!!
 
This year all of that history goes out the window. Richmond have turned the corner and are now improving (after gorging heavily and lengthily with their snouts in the draft pick trough). They are playing a better style of football. Their playing group are maturing into a fine team which gels and plays for each other.


You have got to be kidding me? Pot.Kettle.Black

Riewoldt Pick 1 2000
Koschitzke pick 2 2000
Ball Pick 2 2001
X Clarke pick 5 2001
Goddard pick 1 2002

Now look at Richmonds top 5 picks
Trent Cotchin 2 2007
Brett Deledio 1 2004
Richard Tambling 4 2004
 

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I doubt Gardiner (M) will play, just a feeling.

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I get the same feeling sadly.

Very happy to see the G-train back. Still has lot to offer i feel. It was a mistake to rest him the week before last. He should of played two weeks of VFL footy. He had that injury against Geelong in the pre-season. Might not be at peak fitness anyways, even with his hands worry.
 
You have got to be kidding me? Pot.Kettle.Black

Riewoldt Pick 1 2000
Koschitzke pick 2 2000
Ball Pick 2 2001
X Clarke pick 5 2001
Goddard pick 1 2002

Now look at Richmonds top 5 picks
Trent Cotchin 2 2007
Brett Deledio 1 2004
Richard Tambling 4 2004

That's one way of looking at it, another might be to see that St Kilda's time at the bottom was three years (2000 - 2002) where we snaffled 5 top ten picks, Richmond have had five years at the bottom yielding 6 top ten picks.

2003 Pick #6 (plus another pick) was used to gain Nathan G Brown
2004 PicK #1 Brett Deledio
2004 Pick #4 Richard Tambling
2005 Pick #8 Jarrod Oakley-Nicholls
2006 Pick #8 was used to gain Graham Polak and Pick #13 Jack Riewoldt
2007 Pick #2 Trent Cotchin

Now thats 7 players over 5 years.

I think that constitutes "gorging heavily and lengthily with their snouts in the draft pick trough" without meaning to be too offensive.

The perception by opposition supporters is that St Kilda has somehow gained some advantage by virtue of the overwhelming number of top 10 draft picks that they have been gifted, when you explain that their club has actually benefitted considerably more than the Saints they don't believe it.

Well believe it.
 
That's one way of looking at it, another might be to see that St Kilda's time at the bottom was three years (2000 - 2002) where we snaffled 5 top ten picks, Richmond have had five years at the bottom yielding 6 top ten picks.

2003 Pick #6 (plus another pick) was used to gain Nathan G Brown
2004 PicK #1 Brett Deledio
2004 Pick #4 Richard Tambling
2005 Pick #8 Jarrod Oakley-Nicholls
2006 Pick #8 was used to gain Graham Polak and Pick #13 Jack Riewoldt
2007 Pick #2 Trent Cotchin

Now thats 7 players over 5 years.

I think that constitutes "gorging heavily and lengthily with their snouts in the draft pick trough" without meaning to be too offensive.

The perception by opposition supporters is that St Kilda has somehow gained some advantage by virtue of the overwhelming number of top 10 draft picks that they have been gifted, when you explain that their club has actually benefitted considerably more than the Saints they don't believe it.

Well believe it.

It is simple, you have. A "priority" draft pick is a good test of a gorging. The 3rd course in a meal in a fine eatery. You love your dessert. 2000 and 2001 you gorged on an extra top 5 pick. We have had that benefit once. You also had the leg up of a number 1 pick in 2002 due to the Blues losing draft picks and copped another top 10 pick in 2003.
So you have had a good run of under age recruits AND out of contract players. No doubt and good luck to you. We have had that benefit too, that is way the comp works. Big deal.

I think you miss the point of Mr Guns. One of your posts seemed to forget that you have received the benefits of finishing down the ladder by potting Richmond for getting top picks. Excuse me?
When you live in a glasshouse don't walk around in the nude.
 
Yes we did benefit from some great picks but unfortunately since then we have wasted our opprtunity and lost too many good players that made up that great list and that is why i say that people who want to put Grant Thomas up there as a great coach really bear in mind how poor we played in structure for the list we had ( It took him 2 years to put Fraser Gehrig up forward and kept him down back when our biggest problem at the time was no one up forward kicking goals this guy came from West Coast as a leading Goal Kicker). We should have been far stronger than we were. Im sure if Ross Lion had

Heath Black
Stephen Powell ( i read how some one commented on his poor disposals
id rather have a player get 30 disposals a game and
spray some than some of these kids who cant get the
ball at all.)
Barry Hall ( i know he wasnt there long but still was )
Austin Jones
Luke Penny ( Who was a good defender when in form )
Justin Peckett (before he was finished)
Aaron Hamill (dont have to mention his influence those few seasons)
Andrew Thompson ( before he was finished)
Brett Voss (who played well for us for a for seasons)
Steve Lawrence ( very talented player shame about the Drama )

And a five year younger Fraser Gehrig and Robert Harvey

we would be sitting at the top.
 

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