Sando wants a Crows reserves team in the SANFL

[Kane McGoodwin]

I can understand it may look that way to none Port supporters but if it was Norwood or Sturt in our shoes today, there is no way i would expect them to give up what they have built of many years and valuable commitments to junior football and i could well understand what that would mean to their supporters, in particular their older supporters that grew up with their club and what it stands for.

But Port have gained an AFL club, why should they keep all the parts of an SANFL club? If you keep the Magpies SANFL team, you still have your SANFL connection. I don't see why Port should have the advantage over all other AFL rivals of having a whole heap of lower grade teams & their own recruiting zone. When Port proposed coming into the AFL, they wanted to kill off the Magpies altogether!

 

[Us against the rest]

I keep getting told by Port supporters that your history resides with PAFC - the Power not the magpies... but now you are one. Any way, if the magpies still exist in the SANFL, so does your history. How does losing your magpie reserves, underage & zones delete your history?

It is a little confusing i see that. Our juniors and our zones are very important for the development of junior footy and bringing up through to SANFL level and then AFL level, that does not mean these players will go only to the Magpies, they can end up at any SANFL club or AFL club. This is a structure for better development of football in SA.

 

[*PAF]

I keep getting told by Port supporters that your history resides with PAFC - the Power not the magpies... but now you are one. Any way, if the magpies still exist in the SANFL, so does your history. How does losing your magpie reserves, underage & zones delete your history?

A pine forest with gum trees near the river is still a pine forest. You are confusing teams and club.
The club is and has always been the PAFC. Unfortunately there was also the PAMFC for a couple of years when the SANFL teams were forced out of the club by the SANFL. Yes at that stage the PAFC only had one official team and it was in the AFL.

 

[Bob Neil]

Apologies if this has been mentioned earlier in the thread, but my eye was caught by the following line in this article:

"AFL clubs must commit to not recruiting support staff directly from SANFL clubs."

Does this mean hypothetically that we could not employ Nathan Bassett as a Crows' Assistant Coach if we wanted too? Obviously this restriction would not apply to 17 other AFL clubs (16 outside SA plus Port who won't sign up to these terms).

I haven't looked at all of the other terms closely but wonder if there are many more little gems hidden away that will erode some of the value that this move should create for the Crows.

 

[*PAF]

... When Port proposed coming into the AFL, they wanted to kill off the Magpies altogether!

Doesn't take much research to find out that the above is 100% off the mark.

 

[Us against the rest]

But Port have gained an AFL club, why should they keep all the parts of an SANFL club? If you keep the Magpies SANFL team, you still have your SANFL connection. I don't see why Port should have the advantage over all other AFL rivals of having a whole heap of lower grade teams & their own recruiting zone. When Port proposed coming into the AFL, they wanted to kill off the Magpies altogether!

A very different board back then but in all fairness some of the SANFL clubs wanted the Magpies out but found that could not be done and then when Port wanted to remove the Magpies they were taken to court to stop that too.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Doesn't take much research to find out that the above is 100% off the mark.

Funny, because it is what all of my Port mates tell me.

I was told the Magpies only remained on the SANFL not the Power's insistence.

Typical for Port to change the message depending on the circumstances

 

[Us against the rest]

Apologies if this has been mentioned earlier in the thread, but my eye was caught by the following line in this article:

"AFL clubs must commit to not recruiting support staff directly from SANFL clubs."

Does this mean hypothetically that we could not employ Nathan Bassett as a Crows' Assistant Coach if we wanted too? Obviously this restriction would not apply to 17 other AFL clubs (16 outside SA plus Port who won't sign up to these terms).

I haven't looked at all of the other terms closely but wonder if there are many more little gems hidden away that will erode some of the value that this move should create for the Crows.

Best read the fine print when it comes to dealing with the SANFL.

 

[*PAF]

Funny, because it is what all of my Port mates tell me.

I was told the Magpies only remained on the SANFL not the Power's insistence.

Typical for Port to change the message depending on the circumstances

You are not exactly one I can trust with expressing the whole truth though.
IIRC it was you I once asked what the weather was like before a showdown and you said it was fine and sunny.
As it turned out it was pissing down with rain in Adelaide and you were in Scandinavia enjoying fine weather amongst other fine things.

 

[Papa G]

God this SANFL bailing Port Out during the tough times - You owe Us stuff is tiresome. Yes Port has been at a low ebb and losing money over the last 3-4 years and yes the SANFL has been forced to bail them out, but about 80% of the current AFL clubs have been through a similar thing over the last 20 years, some continually, but in those cases the AFL have bailed those clubs out. Due to our license ownership structure and the the way the SANFL grazes at every cent both us and the Crows make, the AFL told the SANFL rightly it was their problem. If anything, Port situation has directly led to the licenses leaving the SANFL's hands and self determination for both clubs. Again no need to thank us

 

[chazwazza]

IMO all matches in the SANFL now are insignificant

It is dying a slow death. It is only the diehards who care about it and in time the next generation will not even know what the SANFL is.

So why worry about the Magpies? Just kill them off and be done with it

 

[Us against the rest]

God this SANFL bailing Port Out during the tough times - You owe Us stuff is tiresome. Yes Port has been at a low ebb and losing money over the last 3-4 years and yes the SANFL has been forced to bail them out, but about 80% of the current AFL clubs have been through a similar thing over the last 20 years, some continually, but in those cases the AFL have bailed those clubs out. Due to our license ownership structure and the the way the SANFL grazes at every cent both us and the Crows make, the AFL told the SANFL rightly it was their problem. If anything, Port situation has directly led to the licenses leaving the SANFL's hands and self determination for both clubs. Again no need to thank us

Spot on post

 

[Malibu#27]

I don't see why Port should have the advantage over all other AFL rivals of having a whole heap of lower grade teams & their own recruiting zone.

Can you please let us know what these advantages actually are ?

We can't hide players away, we throw money back in but can't recruit out of the zone, it doesn't make the Power stronger (well any more than the Crows model helps the Crows).

Ignoring the SANFL implications for a second (even though most SANFL followers I've spoke to think the Port model is cleaner than Crows) ... what unfair impact on the AFL side would be created ?

 

[dbcrow]

It is a little confusing i see that. Our juniors and our zones are very important for the development of junior footy and bringing up through to SANFL level and then AFL level, that does not mean these players will go only to the Magpies, they can end up at any SANFL club or AFL club. This is a structure for better development of football in SA.

But if you lose the zone, another club(s) will pick it up, so the junior development will continue, just not by Port.

Correct?

 

[Us against the rest]

So why worry about the Magpies? Just kill them off and be done with it

That's why we don't want to sign off on a 15 year $$$ cash cow deal for the SANFL. When the AFL introduce a reserve competition for all AFL clubs, we will be part of a high standard competition and not a competition that survives by leeching off the two AFL clubs. Locked in for 15 years, if i were a Crows fan that would worry me some.

 

[chazwazza]

That is a big part of the problem. There really is no such thing as the SANFL. The SANFL is the SANFL clubs.
Since one club was approved it has become the SANFL clubs minus Port as that was one of the conditions for the approval.

The SAFC (South Australian Football Commission) reports to the SANFL not the other way around.

One of the other conditions was that the Magpies will never be a Power reserves team.
Shhhhh

 

[Us against the rest]

But if you lose the zone, another club(s) will pick it up, so the junior development will continue, just not by Port.

Correct?

All the SANFL clubs have their zones, Port have said they would make some concessions in this area.

 

[Nelso]

So why worry about the Magpies? Just kill them off and be done with it

I think you will find out I have said this all along.

The Magpies should have finished at the end 1996 but we all know who can we blame for this - SANFL.

 

[Us against the rest]

One of the other conditions was that the Magpies will never be a Power reserves team.
Shhhhh

If the Crows are having a reserve team in the SANFL, which i think is a must have to be on a level playing field with the Vics, how would you propose Port go about having their reserve team, seeing that the SANFL want both Port and the Crows to be equal and the same, are you suggesting 11 SANFL clubs.

 

[Malibu#27]

But if you lose the zone, another club(s) will pick it up, so the junior development will continue, just not by Port.
Correct?

Yes and no.

Yes in the fact another club (or clubs) would pick it up. No in the fact that the nett impact would be 1 less development side in every grade. Currently there are 9 U18 sides @ 21 players each and so forth, if Port goes there's only 8. So regardless of who has the zone, there will be less junior development spots available. (and this effect repeats for U16/U15 or any other underage side)... and in fact SANFL reserves level.

Assuming theres 3 junior sides per club, Port only having a league side would result in 84 players not playing within an SANFL structure at any time

 

[Papa G]

But if you lose the zone, another club(s) will pick it up, so the junior development will continue, just not by Port.

Correct?

Some clubs do it a lot better than others.

Correct?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Can you please let us know what these advantages actually are ?

We can't hide players away, we throw money back in but can't recruit out of the zone, it doesn't make the Power stronger (well any more than the Crows model helps the Crows).

Ignoring the SANFL implications for a second (even though most SANFL followers I've spoke to think the Port model is cleaner than Crows) ... what unfair impact on the AFL side would be created ?

It gives you a bigger infrastructure/resources compared to the Crows. You get the inside word on all the players on your list. It does give you a competitive advantage IMO (which is why I can understand you are keen for the model!)

 

[Team DJ]

Port want to keep the SANFL structure as is and are prepared to give some minor concessions such as a reduced recruiting zone.
In other words the PAFC wants to remain a SANFL club that has a team in the AFL.

What about not having an SANFL reserves.

Therfore coming out of Under 18's either PAFC juniors get drafted, maybe 5-10 stay on at the Power Reserves in the SANFL league whilst the rest go looking for better opportunity

 

[Geoffa32]

Apologies if this has been mentioned earlier in the thread, but my eye was caught by the following line in this article:

"AFL clubs must commit to not recruiting support staff directly from SANFL clubs."

Does this mean hypothetically that we could not employ Nathan Bassett as a Crows' Assistant Coach if we wanted too? Obviously this restriction would not apply to 17 other AFL clubs (16 outside SA plus Port who won't sign up to these terms).

I haven't looked at all of the other terms closely but wonder if there are many more little gems hidden away that will erode some of the value that this move should create for the Crows.

I take this to mean we wont be able to recruit staff from SANFL clubs to work with oir SANFL team.

Bass could come on board as an Assistant Coach, but not to be head coach of our SANFL side.

Although that line is blurred as our SANFL coach is essentially an AFL development coach.


When was the last time we took such staff from an SANFL club? I dont think any of our current coaches came directly from an SANFL club.

 

[Team DJ]

Some clubs do it a lot better than others.

Correct?

Cough South Cough