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Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 2
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From a friend of mine who worked in govt communications and now works for himself predicting outcomes
HEY EVERYONE MOST IMPORTANT POST ABOUT GOVERNMENT STRATEGY SHARE WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY
This news story is outright propaganda but it shows you exactly what the final plan is for Australia and what will happen.
tl;dr - YOU ARE GOING TO GET COVID-19
It's now clear we're going for the 'herd immunity' strategy that the UK started and then dropped in horror and what the US is doing, otherwise known as 'you're all gonna get it, hope you don't all die'.
Now let me say one thing up front - THIS ONLY WORKS IF THE VIRUS DOES NOT MUTATE SIGNIFICANTLY AND PEOPLE CANNOT BE RE-INFECTED AND NO ONE ENTERS YOUR COUNTRY EVER AGAIN WHILE SICK
We do not know if you can get reinfected - but we DO know that in most similar situations (eg the 'flu') that unless you entirely eradicate it from the world population it WILL come 'back' after a period and infect again and if you don't have a vaccine then you're back to square 1. So it's highly likely that 'herd immunity' only lasts for 6/12 months, if that. In other words, pretty useless when you realise that air travel allows near instant transmission.
There are two possible reasons why the government has chosen this path:
1) From the outset they worked on the very, very dodgy notion that the UK was using - 'Let everyone get it, shame about those who die, but it's only 2% lol and then everyone will be immune and we get back to MAKING MONEY MONEY MONEY'
2) They were just so useless in their hand wringing, heel dragging and corporate grovelling that by the time they worked whether or not you could get your hair cut, they were informed the virus is spreading so damn fast now we've had this scenario forced on us oh well better call in some tame scientists to burble about #flatteningthecurve and get the spin machine going.
The big problem of course is that this all relies on unknown data (re-infection) and ignores the PRETTY OBVIOUS FACT that we live in the 21st century and have AEROPLANES.
To put it another way, let's say this goes the way they want. 60% of Australians get it, thousands or tens of thousands die, but then your nation is comprised of the remainder of that 60% (who are immune and will not spread the disease in its current form) and the 40% who didn't get it and now will not get it from the other 60%.
Which is great AS LONG AS NO ONE FROM OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY WHO IS SICK COMES TO AUSTRALIA AND INTRODUCES THE VIRUS TO ANYONE FROM THAT 40% GEE MR PROFESSOR OF EPIDEMIOLOGY HOW COME YOU MISSED THAT BIT WHEN YOUR COUNTERPARTS OVERSEAS DID NOT.
Which is what will happen. We will get through Wave 1, god knows how many die, life is hell, and then sCoMo announces ITS OVER WE DID IT THE LNP SAVED AUSTRALIA SORRY ABOUT GRANNY BUT SHE WOULD WANT YOU TO MAKE MONEY LETS HAVE A NATIONAL HOLIDAY EVERYONE GET PISSED HOW GOOD IS MONEY
The alleged 40% who didn't get it breathe a sigh of relief...
...until they start coughing a week later because someone from America touched a door handle before them. Every single sick person entering the nation potentially brings the virus to that remaining 40% and it will then spread through them, albeit slower.
That's the endgame here. Everyone gets it, eventually. Which, if you can't be reinfected and it doesn't mutate significantly is STILL a terrible idea because it STILL means the greater loss of life and cost in the long term, assuming you can do short term cost/long term cost calculations which the government is notoriously bad at.
If of course you CAN be re-infected and the virus DOES mutate then it's basically just outright murder of a sizeable part of your population.
Don't be a fool and see #flattenthecurve and think OH WOW THAT LOOKS CLEVER IT HAS A HASHTAG I THINK I KNOW SCIENCE.
This is about killing off lots of people, quite possibly your mum and dad and maybe even you, in the mistaken belief it will reduce the profit hit for major corporations and the more sinister reality that our Neoliberal nations are currently early-stage fascist states and our leaders will use this opportunity to increase their already draconian powers.
That's why you see a stark dividing line between the Western nations run by far right nutjobs (US, Aus, UK) and their 'do nothing' approach (except for the UK because Boris is slightly smarter than he looks) and all the other nations (lockdown).
I didn't vote for this, here's hoping you didn't. And if you did, while dying may be poetic justice, I hope it doesn't happen to you because you need to live long enough to learn from your mistakes.
HEY EVERYONE MOST IMPORTANT POST ABOUT GOVERNMENT STRATEGY SHARE WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY
This news story is outright propaganda but it shows you exactly what the final plan is for Australia and what will happen.
tl;dr - YOU ARE GOING TO GET COVID-19
It's now clear we're going for the 'herd immunity' strategy that the UK started and then dropped in horror and what the US is doing, otherwise known as 'you're all gonna get it, hope you don't all die'.
Now let me say one thing up front - THIS ONLY WORKS IF THE VIRUS DOES NOT MUTATE SIGNIFICANTLY AND PEOPLE CANNOT BE RE-INFECTED AND NO ONE ENTERS YOUR COUNTRY EVER AGAIN WHILE SICK
We do not know if you can get reinfected - but we DO know that in most similar situations (eg the 'flu') that unless you entirely eradicate it from the world population it WILL come 'back' after a period and infect again and if you don't have a vaccine then you're back to square 1. So it's highly likely that 'herd immunity' only lasts for 6/12 months, if that. In other words, pretty useless when you realise that air travel allows near instant transmission.
There are two possible reasons why the government has chosen this path:
1) From the outset they worked on the very, very dodgy notion that the UK was using - 'Let everyone get it, shame about those who die, but it's only 2% lol and then everyone will be immune and we get back to MAKING MONEY MONEY MONEY'
2) They were just so useless in their hand wringing, heel dragging and corporate grovelling that by the time they worked whether or not you could get your hair cut, they were informed the virus is spreading so damn fast now we've had this scenario forced on us oh well better call in some tame scientists to burble about #flatteningthecurve and get the spin machine going.
The big problem of course is that this all relies on unknown data (re-infection) and ignores the PRETTY OBVIOUS FACT that we live in the 21st century and have AEROPLANES.
To put it another way, let's say this goes the way they want. 60% of Australians get it, thousands or tens of thousands die, but then your nation is comprised of the remainder of that 60% (who are immune and will not spread the disease in its current form) and the 40% who didn't get it and now will not get it from the other 60%.
Which is great AS LONG AS NO ONE FROM OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY WHO IS SICK COMES TO AUSTRALIA AND INTRODUCES THE VIRUS TO ANYONE FROM THAT 40% GEE MR PROFESSOR OF EPIDEMIOLOGY HOW COME YOU MISSED THAT BIT WHEN YOUR COUNTERPARTS OVERSEAS DID NOT.
Which is what will happen. We will get through Wave 1, god knows how many die, life is hell, and then sCoMo announces ITS OVER WE DID IT THE LNP SAVED AUSTRALIA SORRY ABOUT GRANNY BUT SHE WOULD WANT YOU TO MAKE MONEY LETS HAVE A NATIONAL HOLIDAY EVERYONE GET PISSED HOW GOOD IS MONEY
The alleged 40% who didn't get it breathe a sigh of relief...
...until they start coughing a week later because someone from America touched a door handle before them. Every single sick person entering the nation potentially brings the virus to that remaining 40% and it will then spread through them, albeit slower.
That's the endgame here. Everyone gets it, eventually. Which, if you can't be reinfected and it doesn't mutate significantly is STILL a terrible idea because it STILL means the greater loss of life and cost in the long term, assuming you can do short term cost/long term cost calculations which the government is notoriously bad at.
If of course you CAN be re-infected and the virus DOES mutate then it's basically just outright murder of a sizeable part of your population.
Don't be a fool and see #flattenthecurve and think OH WOW THAT LOOKS CLEVER IT HAS A HASHTAG I THINK I KNOW SCIENCE.
This is about killing off lots of people, quite possibly your mum and dad and maybe even you, in the mistaken belief it will reduce the profit hit for major corporations and the more sinister reality that our Neoliberal nations are currently early-stage fascist states and our leaders will use this opportunity to increase their already draconian powers.
That's why you see a stark dividing line between the Western nations run by far right nutjobs (US, Aus, UK) and their 'do nothing' approach (except for the UK because Boris is slightly smarter than he looks) and all the other nations (lockdown).
I didn't vote for this, here's hoping you didn't. And if you did, while dying may be poetic justice, I hope it doesn't happen to you because you need to live long enough to learn from your mistakes.
I think that is part right. This virus is not going anywhere and we are all going to get it. It is inevitable.
Flatten the curve is about not wiping out half our health workers in the first 2-3 months and not having people die in hospital waiting rooms or worse die whilst queuing in the streets. Those graphs have never stated people won't get it - just they will get is it over a more evenly spread of time.
The underlying premise that neo-liberalism cannot and does not want to deal with this is absolutely spot on though.
There is quite an irony that the most innovative economic system in the world is also the most rigid and resistant to change or disruption.
Crisis really is the achilles heal of neo-liberalism.
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Anyhow, have a Winfield 25.
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That does seem to be the plan.
I wonder how they came up with this strategy?
How does one go for herd immunity when it is not known whether immunity is even possible?
Brilliant
I think I read the exact same thing over on the conspiracy board. Did you post that up on your facebook matey?
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Brilliant
I think I read the exact same thing over on the conspiracy board. Did you post that up on your facebook matey?
Ah, thats where you come from. Makes more sense now.
Listen here ya plonker.
Al's friend worked for the government, and now predicts the future.
Don't pay any attention to them kranky al
When all your billionaire mates currently in isolation are screaming “keep the plebs working” you think of a scenario that might work and then hope like f}#%# it works
if the virus doesnt mutate again then you might get away with it.
If it doesnt - think of a whole bunch of excuses and watch murdoch shitrags rush to agree with them whilst anyone with a functioning brain looks at countries that isolated early, points at their examples whilst rwnj’s blahwaffle their usual distracting shiite.
Its not my facebook.Brilliant
I think I read the exact same thing over on the conspiracy board. Did you post that up on your facebook matey?
Tell you what i can do - screenshot posts of his from january explaining exactly what was going to happen - and voila - weve watched it happen.
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Is he a writer for The Simpsons?
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How exactly is it "now clear we're going for the 'herd immunity' strategy"?
This whole screed is based on that assumption, yet I see no firm proof that is in any way "now clear".
I have been the first in line to criticise this appalling government. I am diametrically opposed to their politics. I believe Naomi Klein's writings on Disaster Capitalism are more relevant than ever before.
But I see no evidence yet, that lurking behind it all is a capitalist plot to soften the blow on corporate bottom lines and to hell with it if heaps of people die along the way.
Unattributed internet garbage, if you ask me.
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You are aware that this virus is transmissible whilst asymptomatic right? This is the single most important thing that everyone doesnt get - the last 15 hours before you show your first symptom - you are a superspreader - highly infectious - 1 person in italy infected 650 people in 2 days in his village
The only way to stop it dead - is to lock the country down - with me so far?
Its short term expensive but longterm its way better
now look at the countries that have locked down - look at their governments.
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This thread will go down as one of the all time greats, never stops delivering.
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Ah yes, Sweden's government is notorious for being 'far right' in their refusal to lock down.
See? More playing the victim/woe is me
I dismissed your response with reason, which you were not able to reciprocate, that is your problem.
I see you are no longer trying to argue you aren't a right winger anymore though, which was my original contention, which is basically an admission, love it.
There is absolutely tension between science and medicine and the free market.
Scotty from marketing is absolutely not giving the medical experts what they want and that is absolutely because his overlords are telling him to do that.
I would not go so far as a capitalist plot.
But there are certainly very powerful people who are losing a lot of money (and dimwitted RWNJ's throwing the toys out of the cot cause they are good at doing what they are told - hello EasternTiger) and these people do not give a shit about anything but their own interests.
Mate. I never thought it would come to this.
Unless SBD Gonzalez posts a Guardian article to the contrary, we can only conclude from kranky al's astrologer that ScoMo is going to kill us all.
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Yes I do understand that a swift and total lockdown is the only way to contain it.
And I as much as anyone have been stating how this shows up the abject failure of the free market to deal with crisis, and how the right wing Coalition (and to a significant extent Labor too) deserve absolute damnation for their systematic dismantling over the last four decades of the very institutions and conventions we need for dealing with crises.
But I still feel the single biggest factor compromising the Australian government response has been incompetence and dull-witted adherence to discredited ideology. But not downright conspiracy.
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